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9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy
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So to all the people claiming us conspirators as tinfoil hat wearing crazies.

I offer you a chance to put forward your evidence not your opinion.

Heres what I have accumulated so far...

Building seven collapsed despite not even being hit by a plane.

The governments official explanation for all 3 collapses was fire.

Its scientifically impossible for a normal fire to melt steel. To melt steel requires a substance the burns at an extremely high temperature such as thermite.

There were traces of thermite found by Dr. Steven Jones (physics professor) after he studied melted steel with electron microscope analysis.

For over 6 weeks after the incident pools of molten metal were found with temperatures over 2000 degrees, thats 500 degrees hotter than jet fuel burns at. The molten metal was also found under building 7 (keep in mind it was not even hit by a plane!) and the official reports have made no comments on these facts.

The video cameras showing what actually hit the pentagon were confiscated by the FBI and the department of justice have refused to release them. Surely they WOULD release them, unless they were hiding something.

Where were the bodies and the remains of the plane? Vaporised by jet fuel - not likely, science says its impossible.

No response from NORAD, why?

The American authorities did not manage to trace the source of the money used to fund the terrorist attacks. They officially stated it was "of little practical significance". Huh??? WHY? Its of huge significance! Finding out who has funded the alleged attack!


Ted Gunderson (former FBI chief) stated that the 1993 bombing of the WTC was orchestrated by the FBI.


Anyway thats a few things for you 'skeptics' to research and explain before you start calling people crazy - without any evidence.
Now - Prove us wrong!

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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
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Someone refuted all of this in the last 9/11 thread.

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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: mushroomplume]
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Good for them - they have evidence?  NO.

I win  :goatse:

I wanna see people argue with the science.  Has science lied to us about steels melting point?
Don't even argue saying it was freak jet fuel before you explain building 7.

ALL I SEE IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T RESEARCHED SIMPLY RESORT TO AD HOM.  WHAT DOES THAT SHOW THEM UP TO BE?
IDIOTIC BULLIES WITH NO PROOF.

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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
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go look up popular mechanics issue on this subject, type in something like "popular mechanics 9/11 conspiracy" and they negate your claims pretty well


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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: VisionsToReality]
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ego death... i dont understand why this topic bothers u so much... no one else in england gives a fuck :shrug:


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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
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:septemberlol:


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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: VisionsToReality]
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I offer you a chance to put forward your evidence not your opinion.

ARE YOU BLIND?

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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
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uarewotueat said:
ego death... i dont understand why this topic bothers u so much... no one else in england gives a fuck :shrug:


He's probably like me and all forms of ignorance/disregard bother him. He probably feels compelled to win an argument. :grin:

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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
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Ignorance is bliss.

All you are saying is that you only care for yourself.

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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
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i did state my opinion "who gives a fuck"


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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
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Quote:
He's probably like me and all forms of ignorance/disregard bother him. He probably feels compelled to win an argument.


lol i dont know how many times this topic has been discussed... but no one has ever come to any conclusion either way...
ego death couldnt win an argument with himself... :tongue:


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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
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The level to which this conspiracy is true. But there are a few things we know for sure.. Without those buildings falling would could never have had a war with Iraq, They had to unite this country through a common fear of "terrorists" and WMA's. We had plenty of warning. Something that seems very odd is that the Bin Laden have a house right outside CIA headquarters. What foreign person would want to be located so near an agency that clearly would have interest in their family. One would think a good place for a home would be somewhere else. The fact is. Big business control the American world as wee know it. Business decision must be made, and one always incurs costs in order to move forward. Look up the Lusitania, we sent over 1000 people to a watery grave in order to unite the country against the Nazi regime. It's always been about business, business is notoriously corrupt with many back door agreements. I love Apple and they make an amazing product. One would be simple to think Cingular and Apple didn't have back room verbal agreements about the iphone that would have been illegal if put in writing and discovered. Much like the 9/11 report... some things can't are best left off the record.

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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: verminofmsu]
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"There are psychological explanations for why conspiracy theories are so seductive. Academics who study them argue that they meet a basic human need: to have the magnitude of any given effect be balanced by the magnitude of the cause behind it. A world in which tiny causes can have huge consequences feels scary and unreliable. Therefore a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it. "We tend to associate major events--a President or princess dying--with major causes," says Patrick Leman, a lecturer in psychology at Royal Holloway University of London, who has conducted studies on conspiracy belief. "If we think big events like a President being assassinated can happen at the hands of a minor individual, that points to the unpredictability and randomness of life and unsettles us." In that sense, the idea that there is a malevolent controlling force orchestrating global events is, in a perverse way, comforting."


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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
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This has all been covered before ad nauseam.

Just use the "search" feature and append to an existing topic instead of starting the one millionth thread on the same subject.


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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
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The whole WTC ordeal smells fishy to its core.

Are the governments using this event to increase their power over people indefinitely?

Without a doubt.


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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Ego Death]
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christ, not again...
:suicide:


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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: ToTheSummit]
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ToTheSummit said:
christ, not again...
:suicide:


My thoughts exactly.  I'm actually on the fence on this issue, but it's been talked to death to the point where I don't even care anymore.


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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
ToTheSummit said:
christ, not again...
:suicide:


My thoughts exactly.  I'm actually on the fence on this issue, but it's been talked to death to the point where I don't even care anymore.


Ya. No one will ever agree either way.

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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: The_Ghost]
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The_Ghost said:
Silversoul said:
ToTheSummit said:
christ, not again...
:suicide:


My thoughts exactly.  I'm actually on the fence on this issue, but it's been talked to death to the point where I don't even care anymore.


Ya. No one will ever agree either way.


exactly. im done fucking arguing this topic. i agree that many things happened that day and the days/months/years leading up to that day that many of us will simply never know. many things do not add up. it is ubsurd to think that the entire government was in on it, its simply ridiculous, our government is a multi headed beast, each with a brain of its own. the people who claim our GOVERNMENT planned and orchestrated 9/11 are doing more harm than good to the truth and those who are trying to expose it. did elements within our government have something to do with it? probably. but they were most certainly a select few, a very powerful few with ties all around the world. stop saying the government did it. it did not.

i am simply tired of arguing about this, the fact is many of us believe something fishy happened, many of us think the others are crazy. both sides fight, both sides spew false evidence and ridiculous statements, which adds to the melee, confusion and anger from both sides to the other.

my personal opinion is the story we were spoon fed was a crock of shit. do i think 9/11 was used to the current administrations advantage? yes. do i think a handful of towelheads took over 4 planes and subdued dozens of passengers with box cutters? no. do i care to argue about it? no. you cant argue when so many people are ignorant.

oh and one last thing. popular mechanics is full of shit. just like the 9/11 commission was. both reports are full of nonsense.

that is all.


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Re: 9/11 The undeniable facts that support the conspiracy [Re: The_Ghost]
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If the evidence was as bulletproof as a lot of you claim to say it is, the issue would have inevitably faded away long ago. Suffice to say though.. nothing I've read (and I've read the sites I've been referred to) covers building seven to the point where I say "Hey.. I may be wrong".

-the passport being 'found' by the towers of the 'terrorist' - in mint condition.
-the names of the plane highjackers being released.. meanwhile some of them are still alive.. as a normal member of society (nothing to do with 9/11)
-engineers backing the demolition theory
-worldwide protests, protesters being educated on the subject and not just band wagoners
-9/11 leading to patriot act (parallels between reichstag building fire and enabling act in nazi germany)
-the overall bad vibes i get from the american government (bush/kerry secret societies, aristocratic bloodlines, mass media propaganda, oil tycoonery, 1953 Iran/CIA oil events, etc.)
-confiscated pentagon tapes (why? why? why?)
-laughable flight 53(?) that crashed in the field (the 'crash' has been described as a hole with some broken machinery around it; nothing at all like a plane crash)
-medias total lack of explanation for building 7
-9/11 commission report lacking proper explanation
-Bin Laden being on the CIAs payroll
-American defenses being lowered and fighter jets sent on some random mission on 9/11

The list goes on.. and on.


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