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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
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DNKYD said:
Wow. I don't know how you do it, man. I would never be able to date a girl like that. You clearly have a higher tolerance of ignorant bitches than I.


well, she does help ME out a lot though. I mean we live together so at least that half of the rent and bills are always paid. plus, we put all the groceries on the aforementioned credit card, so as long as I eat what she's eating, its free.

honestly, I think the whole "18 and you're off the payroll" parenting philosophy is bullshit. You can't expect a kid to live up to their full potential with that little support. If that is what your parents did to you, I'd say you have a right to complain.

I understand that in Europe, legally you have to support your child until they are 25. I think that is a more realistic standard than cutting children off at 18. If the laws in the US were similar to the laws in Europe, people wouldn't have as many children, because its such a bigger responsibility. Then we wouldn't have so many fuckup 20-somethings running around in America.


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"America touts itself as the land of the free, but the number one freedom that you and I have is the freedom to enter into a subservient role in the workplace. Once you exercise this freedom you've lost all control over what you do, what is produced, and how it is produced. And in the end, the product doesn't belong to you. The only way you can avoid bosses and jobs is if you don't care about making a living. Which leads to the second freedom: the freedom to starve."

- Tom Morello

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Re: Morons and money [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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I find that not being in touch with the world of those who struggle doesn't change with time. I once commented to a co-worker at school that I was glad to have my laundry taken care of b/f the week-end instead of clean but on the dining-room table to be folded. Yes I appreciate even having the dining room cuz we're on the edge of going to foreclosure :frown:  but we trust everything will work out. I told my hus last night in bed that I'd follow him to a trailer park if I had to but I'd prefer a three bedroom trailer lol and even better than that...two trailers, one for the teenagers and one for those who wish to remain sane. :laugh:
The other teacher asked: "Don't you have a housekeeper?". Housekeeper? Yeah right.


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My inner child runs with scissors but plays nicely with others!

Sometimes the light's all shine'in on me,
Other times I can barely see.
Lately it occurs to me,
What a looong strange trip it's been! ~ Truck'in

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Re: Morons and money [Re: ravin0ff]
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ravin0ff said:
lulz @ the guy that had his parents by his tuition AND give him money on top of that and still thinks he had it tough


meh, I had it easier than some kids, but harder than others. I'd say it was pretty middle-of-the-road. My parents helped me out, and I'm very grateful, but they certainly didn't break their backs. They made sure I had to work my way through school. I could have done it without them, sure, but I would be in a lot of debt without their help.

according to my gf, who like I said before has a completely free ride, my parents are terrible for not doing more for me. I disagree with her on that, parents can only do so much for a kid without spoiling them.

mainly, I think that parents should take responsibility for the offspring they put into the world. Cutting a kid off at 18 is NOT taking responsibility at all. Its just putting more incomplete, fucked up people into the world.

I know if I ever have kids (God forbid), I would step up and pay for their college. If I didn't think I could do that, I wouldn't have them in the first place.


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"America touts itself as the land of the free, but the number one freedom that you and I have is the freedom to enter into a subservient role in the workplace. Once you exercise this freedom you've lost all control over what you do, what is produced, and how it is produced. And in the end, the product doesn't belong to you. The only way you can avoid bosses and jobs is if you don't care about making a living. Which leads to the second freedom: the freedom to starve."

- Tom Morello

Edited by wps (10/07/07 02:35 PM)

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Re: Morons and money [Re: MyInnerChild]
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DNKYD said:
Wow. I don't know how you do it, man. I would never be able to date a girl like that. You clearly have a higher tolerance of ignorant bitches than I.

My parents are paying for all my shit at school, but for a good reason.

Both of my parents grew up in a ghetto in Chicago. My father's father was an impoverished immigrant from Slovenia. The only thing that was important to that man was to work hard and save his money. On a factory worker's salary he paid for both of his children to go to college, and they are now both millionaires.

My mother's family is from a tiny town called Merrill, Wisconsin. Her father left and joined the military (his only option for employment), and did electrical work for them HIS ENTIRE LIFE. On a tiny, TINY salary he managed to work hard and save his money and put all three of his children through school. All three of them are now self-made millionaires.

My father and mother stressed the importance of working hard and saving your money to the extreme, because they grew up poor and don't want to see me become poor. Therefore, they pay for everything in college. I am forbidden to take a job during school. As a child I got screamed at and nearly strangled (seriously) for not getting strait A's.

I DO NOT take this for granted and I AM NOT an ignorant bitch. I do not blow all my money on designer clothes. I'm NOT in a sorority nor would I under any circumstances associate with ignorant bitchiness. I thank god every day that my parents are willing to support me in what I love doing most: going to school. Education is my life and will be my life after college when I get a teaching certificate. I don't want to be rich like my parents, buy I am SOOOO thankful that they are helping me to fully direct my attention to school. I am a perfectionist as well as an intellectual. If I get a B I feel as though I have failed myself and my ancestors, who have worked so hard for so many generations to allow me this opportunity.

How am I ignorant if I have devoted my life to study? How am I a bitch if I am tremendously thankful for the amazingly fortunate circumstances of my life? How am I ungrateful if I want to help others to receive the best education possible?


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While there is a lower class, I am in it
While there is a criminal element, I am of it
While there is a soul in prison, I am not free.

Eugene V Debs

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Re: Morons and money [Re: wps]
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such bullshit. just because my parents are well-off doesn't mean they give me shit. they're tough love republicans!


I would bitch. The reason specifically the government doesn't give aid to people under 24 is because they feel it is the parents' responsibility to pay for college, not the government's.

24 is too high an age to be considered independent. I think they determine it by 1960s standards where everyone had a two-parent home and parents saved up for their kid's college tuition, nevermind back then going to college was 500% cheaper.

You're considered independent if you're 24, a grad student, married, or have kids. I think I'm going to go the marriage route next year.

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Re: Morons and money [Re: wps]
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I don't know where you people are from but around here you can get fafsa financial aid at just about any age I think as long as you qualify financially.

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I understand that in Europe, legally you have to support your child until they are 25. I think that is a more realistic standard than cutting children off at 18. If the laws in the US were similar to the laws in Europe, people wouldn't have as many children, because its such a bigger responsibility. Then we wouldn't have so many fuckup 20-somethings running around in America.



I'm not sure about all of Europe, but I was informed that in the U.k., you cannot have a job and go to school at the same time. Apparently a lot of people believe in this. When I first heard about it felt like culture shock to me. That sure it different from here. Here if your parents don't pay for college, you often end up having to have two jobs while going to school at the same time.

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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
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Spoiled kid right here.

Tuition was paid fully by my parents and I lived rent free at home during University.

All scholarship money was go have fun money so I had a fair bit of fun.

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Re: Morons and money [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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I'm horrible with money, I have 10k in a CD and 5k in the savings attached to that, a 7500 dollar car, with about 5k put into it, it's still worth 7500. So, I have a worth of about 22k, except I've made about 50k since last November. What the fuck happened to the other 28k?! I didn't blow it on drugs. I spend 2500 on a vacation to Mexico, about 6k on rent, probably about 4000 on other bills. There's like 18k that I have just blown.

I'm feeling it now because I only make 1200 a month now at my new job with no gf to help pay. Other than my do not touch money, I have like 30 dollars in my pocket and I got payed on Thursday. I hate being broke.

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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
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DNKYD said:
Why is it that parents who let their kids live on their dime always think throwing more money at them will solve any problem?


They don't, but they're too self-absorbed to think of anything else.


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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
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I can understand the frustration of spoiled rich kids. There's a difference between helping out and giving them a completely free ride.
Growing up, my parents had to do their best to put food on the table. We weren't poor, but they had to work their arses off to pay the mortgage and so we could go on holiday every so often. Eventually that work payed off and my dad owns the electrical company he worked for.
Once I hit mid teens, things got more comfortable, but I hardly got a free ride. I got a part time job at 15 so I could buy my own car, and pay for my own gas. The more expensive shit (medical things, operations, hearing aids etc) they paid for. The only time I got a free ride was when I finished school and didn't know what the hell to do. I spent 2 years just being a bum before getting various jobs that never lasted long. After that I finally got a full time job and pulled my shit together.
Been living at home all this time for quite cheap, but it was so I could save up to put a deposit on a house. I have finally done that, and with the help of my parents (who get that money, plus their share, back when the house is sold) and my brother/his girlfriend. Finally move out for the first time in a month :grin:
People might claim I've had it easy, but I've been deaf since birth. I'd rather have moved out at 16 than been deaf for my whole life. Not to mention the costs of hearing aids, hearing aid molds etc is ridiculous on top of everything else in life.

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Re: Morons and money [Re: Sheepish]
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Sheepish said:
I can understand the frustration of spoiled rich kids. There's a difference between helping out and giving them a completely free ride.
Growing up, my parents had to do their best to put food on the table. We weren't poor, but they had to work their arses off to pay the mortgage and so we could go on holiday every so often. Eventually that work payed off and my dad owns the electrical company he worked for.
Once I hit mid teens, things got more comfortable, but I hardly got a free ride. I got a part time job at 15 so I could buy my own car, and pay for my own gas. The more expensive shit (medical things, operations, hearing aids etc) they paid for. The only time I got a free ride was when I finished school and didn't know what the hell to do. I spent 2 years just being a bum before getting various jobs that never lasted long. After that I finally got a full time job and pulled my shit together.
Been living at home all this time for quite cheap, but it was so I could save up to put a deposit on a house. I have finally done that, and with the help of my parents (who get that money, plus their share, back when the house is sold) and my brother/his girlfriend. Finally move out for the first time in a month :grin:
People might claim I've had it easy, but I've been deaf since birth. I'd rather have moved out at 16 than been deaf for my whole life. Not to mention the costs of hearing aids, hearing aid molds etc is ridiculous on top of everything else in life.


not totally deaf since you were able to use hearing aids but what percentage would you say?

I was talking to my girlfriend about deaf people yesterday, I was wondering how deaf at birth people learned to read? Cause when i read i hear the sounds in my head, do deaf people visualize the signs as they are reading?

any insight would be great. Thanx man.


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"There is never a wrong note, bend it." Jimi Hendrix


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Re: Morons and money [Re: Sheepish]
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I think one of the things that fuels bitterness towards the 'rich kids' is the fact that the 'average joes' have to COMPETE with these people, gradewise.

In order to get into a good college right outside of high school, you have to have good grades and lots of extracurricular activities.

well guess what my extracurricular activity was? Working every day after school from 3-11. And its kind of hard to get an A on every test when you have no time to study because you are working to get money for all the things that mom and dad don't want to buy you; ie a car, clothes, music, etc...

Its the same in college. Its easy to get a 4.0 and get into grad school when everything is taken care of for you. But much less so when you have to worry about financing your living expenses.

do potential employers care, or take into account that you did everything yourself? hell no, all they care about is that number on your transcript.


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"America touts itself as the land of the free, but the number one freedom that you and I have is the freedom to enter into a subservient role in the workplace. Once you exercise this freedom you've lost all control over what you do, what is produced, and how it is produced. And in the end, the product doesn't belong to you. The only way you can avoid bosses and jobs is if you don't care about making a living. Which leads to the second freedom: the freedom to starve."

- Tom Morello

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Re: Morons and money [Re: sui]
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I'm not sure what percentage, but profoundly deaf (so I'm actually quite deaf). It works in terms of what frequencies my dead cochlear hairs can actually pick up. Higher frequencies are harder for me to hear (requires MASSIVE volume to hear those) but lower frequencies are easier to hear and is combined with the sensation in the body of feeling it. While I can hear most things, speech recognition is hard for me. I can hear the speech and the words, but my ears don't recognise what is being said a lot of the time. I rely on lip reading and body language cues to fill in the blanks.
Doctors said I wouldn't get past the reading age of 5 (or something around there) and that I would never be able to speak. I'm currently reading 1984 and enjoy reading lots of books. I can also speak :grin: Not perfect, but as well as I can. The problem with talking when deaf is that I can't hear exactly what a normal hearing person would; so since speech sounds different to me, I will pronounce it how I tend to hear it.
Some deaf people aren't able to do well with reading/writing. I think it's a combination of using sign language (sign language speech is different and doesn't use as many words; it is less complex than spoken english) and that many deaf people don't always good have speech skills, so don't verbalise much. However, I don't really know the real reason. I personally don't use sign language, so I don't think in terms of signs when reading. I don't think most deaf people do either, but again, I wouldn't know.

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Re: Morons and money [Re: Sheepish]
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Im gonna assume you dont have a kid cause im to coked up to read your thread, but from the title i think you should put yourself in a person who has a child who is a greedy prick with no values and is a white collar citizen whos parents who have money to throw away, so they use to buy their childs love, how embarassing not having a kid that loves u or thinks ur shitty parent, some have tougher hand, and should, and beat there kid if they were like that, some spoil thats all now goodnight folks.


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Re: Morons and money [Re: AJ4U]
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Okay, my parents paid me through college. I went to school with in State tuition. But the reality is that I don't spend a lot of money. I rarely do anything. The only thing I do is computer, occasionally some weed. I rarely drink. Sure, I get depressed and shit but I don't complain about life being hard.

I also worked for two years at a school lab. So I didn't completely just sit on my ass LOL. The only regret is that I wish I made better grades. I think if I had to support myself through college,to really "earn" my way through college, I would probably worked a lot harder.

Overall I have mad respect for those who put themselves through college. Because I sure didn't.

Anyway, someone mentioned grad school. If you do some sort of science thing most likely you can get funding. The department will pay.


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Re: Morons and money [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
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SymmetryGroup8 said:
Anyway, someone mentioned grad school. If you do some sort of science thing most likely you can get funding. The department will pay.


This is how it is when getting a Ph.D. However, you work 60+ hours a week and make about 23K a year.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Morons and money [Re: badchad]
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Yeah I know it sucks bad. But if you want to teach then that's the way to go. Personally I would do masters first, to see if it's what you want to do.

Seriously if you work the math it's definitely better to just go find a job with your B.S. In the long run you will make more with the job thing versus doing the PH.D thing.

But for some they enjoy it so it works out. It all depend on the person.


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