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Morons and money
#7492996 - 10/06/07 11:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why is it that parents who let their kids live on their dime always think throwing more money at them will solve any problem?
I can understand parents paying for college tuition because it's so damn expensive these days. Unfortunately I haven't had that luxury. I've also held a steady job since I was 16 to pay my way like normal people. I don't feel special because of this, since this is how life works. But when you're twenty-something and you can't manage your own money, let alone the money your parents throw at you, there's something wrong.
I'm sick and tired of early-twenties college shitheads that bitch and moan about life being oh-so-difficult when they don't even have a job, never need to worry about being able to afford to eat, and feed off of mommy and daddy's wallet. I can't fathom the kind of emotional shitstorm that will ensue when their pansy asses get kicked out of the "glamorous" college life and into the real fucking world.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7493004 - 10/06/07 11:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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damn man its like you addressed this to me my parents are paying my way through college and i always feel guilty when my friends talk about their difficulties and how i get average marks when people who work and study and live on their own do even better but what can you do man you play with the cards your dealt at this point in my life i cant support myself, but ive made it a priority to become autonomous asap
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7493006 - 10/06/07 11:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7493009 - 10/06/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, yeah. Basically.
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It seems like because their financial situation is for the most part secure, people in this situation have to amplify any little problem that creeps into their life.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7493029 - 10/06/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am 24 and am just now learning how to budget out my money. Last year I cut off all ties from family and have started to truly live on my own earnings. I'm getting a lot of satisfaction out of dividing out my weekly paycheck into bills, spending money, and savings. There's just something empowering about playing with your survival tickets. If I want to go to college I'll also have to do it on my own.
I mean, living on your own money and carving your own way through life is so satisfying, I feel bad for people who never get to experience that lustrous challenge.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: MOTH]
#7493043 - 10/06/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It certainly is a rewarding responsibility of life that should be taught early and often. I feel sorry for most of these poor saps because their overbearing parents rob them of a chance to learn useful skills like budgeting their money. That degree with a 5-figure salary won't mean shit if they can't spend the dough right.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7493064 - 10/06/07 11:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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So true. What I've actually come to realize is that you don't need that much money to survive at all. It's when inexperienced people begin participating too freely in our maniacal "buy it while it lasts!" world that the bills get out of control and they experience a sense of "hardship," when they actually probably didn't need most of the stuff that placed them into a state of financial woe to begin with.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7494082 - 10/07/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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dude, I know what you mean.
my gf is just as you describe.
I'm a few years older than her, and out of college. I haven't received a dime from my parents in years, and when I did, it was very minimal. They paid my tuition and gave me a very minimal amount of money every month (just a few hundred bucks) and that was it.
I mean, my parents helped me out, and I'm really grateful for that. But this chick I'm dating, she has a COMPLETELY free ride. All her bills are paid; we're talking car payment, insurance, phone, electricity, rent, everything! Plus she has a credit card that her parents pay off!
and yet she still manages to complain about how 'hard' her life is.
this chick, literally all she has to do is go to school and get good grades. That is her only obligation in life. Me, I had to work full time while I was in school, didn't have proper health insurance or a decent car, I mean, I can go on and on about what a struggle school was for me.
and yet she still complains to me, and asks me to drive her to school because she doesn't want to walk and there's no parking... its really ridiculous. She expects me to sympathize with her after everything I had to go through...
wow, I went on kind of a rant there.... I guess you see how strongly I feel about this...
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Re: Morons and money [Re: wps]
#7494107 - 10/07/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow. I don't know how you do it, man. I would never be able to date a girl like that. You clearly have a higher tolerance of ignorant bitches than I.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7494110 - 10/07/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I prefer living on my own, being poor, struggling to pay for college, and having no health insurance (living the American dream) than being wealthy. I can only imagine if I had money I'd be a waste like Paris Hilton.
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MOTH said: If I want to go to college I'll also have to do it on my own.
Since you're old, you'll get a lot of money for financial aid.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: wps]
#7494114 - 10/07/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll bet she's way hot! and your relationship won't last past college. sorry
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Re: Morons and money [Re: bukkake]
#7494118 - 10/07/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Financial aid is a crock. They expect that just because I'm younger than 25 and my parents make X dollars they should be contributing enough to pay my way. Forget the fact that it was a real struggle at times to raise 6 kids and that they couldn't ever afford to put any of them through college.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: Vanguard]
#7494137 - 10/07/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You know, I appreciate the value of honest work. It builds integrity. But I sure would appreciate it if my grandpa would help me out of the dung hole I'm in by helping with a few thousands dollars for college or trade school or something.
My experience is just the opposite. I don't complain because my parents fork out money all the time. I'm frustrated rather because I'm in a tough spot that's hard to get out of without help $$, and the person that could really help me, my grandfather who's sitting upon tens of thousands of dollars won't even help out with money to go to school.
He only keep yelling at me to get a job get a job. He just doesn't understand that not everyone is the same, and sometimes people get stuck.
So, I think it's a balance. Give some, and don't give some.But I understand where you're coming from with rich kids like that, although I don't really understand that experience as well as others on here. I live in a rich city (more millionaires per capita here than anywhere else in the U.s.) but I don't have the experience of knowing a lot of rich kids. But the rich people I have known, were generally arrogant, shallow, and self absorbed. But there are a lot of rich people out there who really work hard too ( but have a rotten attitude).
It's really interesting though how so many rich kids are drawn to drugs like mushrooms.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7494142 - 10/07/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, same here
they look at your parents income when determining your eligibility for aid.
such bullshit. just because my parents are well-off doesn't mean they give me shit. they're tough love republicans!
I think now that I'm over 25 I'm eligible for financial aid. Now that I've already graduated. I have half a mind to go back and get a 2nd bachelor's degree on uncle sam's dollar, just because I can. They won't pay for grad school, but for some reason they'll pay for a second tour of undergrad.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: wps]
#7494144 - 10/07/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wps said: yeah, same here
they look at your parents income when determining your eligibility for aid.
such bullshit. just because my parents are well-off doesn't mean they give me shit. they're tough love republicans!
I think now that I'm over 25 I'm eligible for financial aid. Now that I've already graduated. I have half a mind to go back and get a 2nd bachelor's degree on uncle sam's dollar, just because I can. They won't pay for grad school, but for some reason they'll pay for a second tour of undergrad.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: sui]
#7494160 - 10/07/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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seriously, though. try getting a pell grant to go to grad school. It ain't happenin'.
but since I haven't asked the govt for a dime my entire life, I can get them to pay for a bachelors degree, now that I'm over 25 and an independent. Too bad I already have one. Maybe this time I'll get it innnnnn.... basket weaving?
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Re: Morons and money [Re: wps]
#7494177 - 10/07/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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My parents are helping me get through college by paying my tuition and phone bills. From time to time I get a new item to wear. That's about all I get from them. They don't earn much anyway so I'm very grateful for it. I'm unemployed at the moment, but got a job interview tomorrow. I'm looking forward to see how it works out.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: sui]
#7494182 - 10/07/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Since this is the shroomery, I just have to say -- I don't understand peoples use of money for drugs. The majority of my friends don't have a dime because they blow it all on drugs. Then they wonder how I can afford to not work for months at a time.
Well, it's because I save. I don't blow any extra money I have on drugs. The only things my money gets used for (with occasional exceptions) is rent, food, gas, insurance and utilities. Anything outside of that is a rare luxory. With this setup, I haven't been out of money, ever.
I also am paying about 20% of my tuition at school, but the rest is taken care of.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: Individual]
#7494205 - 10/07/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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lulz @ the guy that had his parents by his tuition AND give him money on top of that and still thinks he had it tough
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7494214 - 10/07/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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DNKYD said: Wow. I don't know how you do it, man. I would never be able to date a girl like that. You clearly have a higher tolerance of ignorant bitches than I.
well, she does help ME out a lot though. I mean we live together so at least that half of the rent and bills are always paid. plus, we put all the groceries on the aforementioned credit card, so as long as I eat what she's eating, its free.
honestly, I think the whole "18 and you're off the payroll" parenting philosophy is bullshit. You can't expect a kid to live up to their full potential with that little support. If that is what your parents did to you, I'd say you have a right to complain.
I understand that in Europe, legally you have to support your child until they are 25. I think that is a more realistic standard than cutting children off at 18. If the laws in the US were similar to the laws in Europe, people wouldn't have as many children, because its such a bigger responsibility. Then we wouldn't have so many fuckup 20-somethings running around in America.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: ravin0ff]
#7494252 - 10/07/07 12:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ravin0ff said: lulz @ the guy that had his parents by his tuition AND give him money on top of that and still thinks he had it tough
meh, I had it easier than some kids, but harder than others. I'd say it was pretty middle-of-the-road. My parents helped me out, and I'm very grateful, but they certainly didn't break their backs. They made sure I had to work my way through school. I could have done it without them, sure, but I would be in a lot of debt without their help.
according to my gf, who like I said before has a completely free ride, my parents are terrible for not doing more for me. I disagree with her on that, parents can only do so much for a kid without spoiling them.
mainly, I think that parents should take responsibility for the offspring they put into the world. Cutting a kid off at 18 is NOT taking responsibility at all. Its just putting more incomplete, fucked up people into the world.
I know if I ever have kids (God forbid), I would step up and pay for their college. If I didn't think I could do that, I wouldn't have them in the first place.
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DNKYD said: Wow. I don't know how you do it, man. I would never be able to date a girl like that. You clearly have a higher tolerance of ignorant bitches than I.
My parents are paying for all my shit at school, but for a good reason.
Both of my parents grew up in a ghetto in Chicago. My father's father was an impoverished immigrant from Slovenia. The only thing that was important to that man was to work hard and save his money. On a factory worker's salary he paid for both of his children to go to college, and they are now both millionaires.
My mother's family is from a tiny town called Merrill, Wisconsin. Her father left and joined the military (his only option for employment), and did electrical work for them HIS ENTIRE LIFE. On a tiny, TINY salary he managed to work hard and save his money and put all three of his children through school. All three of them are now self-made millionaires.
My father and mother stressed the importance of working hard and saving your money to the extreme, because they grew up poor and don't want to see me become poor. Therefore, they pay for everything in college. I am forbidden to take a job during school. As a child I got screamed at and nearly strangled (seriously) for not getting strait A's.
I DO NOT take this for granted and I AM NOT an ignorant bitch. I do not blow all my money on designer clothes. I'm NOT in a sorority nor would I under any circumstances associate with ignorant bitchiness. I thank god every day that my parents are willing to support me in what I love doing most: going to school. Education is my life and will be my life after college when I get a teaching certificate. I don't want to be rich like my parents, buy I am SOOOO thankful that they are helping me to fully direct my attention to school. I am a perfectionist as well as an intellectual. If I get a B I feel as though I have failed myself and my ancestors, who have worked so hard for so many generations to allow me this opportunity.
How am I ignorant if I have devoted my life to study? How am I a bitch if I am tremendously thankful for the amazingly fortunate circumstances of my life? How am I ungrateful if I want to help others to receive the best education possible?
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Re: Morons and money [Re: wps]
#7494306 - 10/07/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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such bullshit. just because my parents are well-off doesn't mean they give me shit. they're tough love republicans!
I would bitch. The reason specifically the government doesn't give aid to people under 24 is because they feel it is the parents' responsibility to pay for college, not the government's.
24 is too high an age to be considered independent. I think they determine it by 1960s standards where everyone had a two-parent home and parents saved up for their kid's college tuition, nevermind back then going to college was 500% cheaper.
You're considered independent if you're 24, a grad student, married, or have kids. I think I'm going to go the marriage route next year.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: wps]
#7494430 - 10/07/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know where you people are from but around here you can get fafsa financial aid at just about any age I think as long as you qualify financially.
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I understand that in Europe, legally you have to support your child until they are 25. I think that is a more realistic standard than cutting children off at 18. If the laws in the US were similar to the laws in Europe, people wouldn't have as many children, because its such a bigger responsibility. Then we wouldn't have so many fuckup 20-somethings running around in America.
I'm not sure about all of Europe, but I was informed that in the U.k., you cannot have a job and go to school at the same time. Apparently a lot of people believe in this. When I first heard about it felt like culture shock to me. That sure it different from here. Here if your parents don't pay for college, you often end up having to have two jobs while going to school at the same time.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7494575 - 10/07/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spoiled kid right here.
Tuition was paid fully by my parents and I lived rent free at home during University.
All scholarship money was go have fun money so I had a fair bit of fun.
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I'm horrible with money, I have 10k in a CD and 5k in the savings attached to that, a 7500 dollar car, with about 5k put into it, it's still worth 7500. So, I have a worth of about 22k, except I've made about 50k since last November. What the fuck happened to the other 28k?! I didn't blow it on drugs. I spend 2500 on a vacation to Mexico, about 6k on rent, probably about 4000 on other bills. There's like 18k that I have just blown.
I'm feeling it now because I only make 1200 a month now at my new job with no gf to help pay. Other than my do not touch money, I have like 30 dollars in my pocket and I got payed on Thursday. I hate being broke.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7494596 - 10/07/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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DNKYD said: Why is it that parents who let their kids live on their dime always think throwing more money at them will solve any problem?
They don't, but they're too self-absorbed to think of anything else.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: DNKYD]
#7495043 - 10/07/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can understand the frustration of spoiled rich kids. There's a difference between helping out and giving them a completely free ride. Growing up, my parents had to do their best to put food on the table. We weren't poor, but they had to work their arses off to pay the mortgage and so we could go on holiday every so often. Eventually that work payed off and my dad owns the electrical company he worked for. Once I hit mid teens, things got more comfortable, but I hardly got a free ride. I got a part time job at 15 so I could buy my own car, and pay for my own gas. The more expensive shit (medical things, operations, hearing aids etc) they paid for. The only time I got a free ride was when I finished school and didn't know what the hell to do. I spent 2 years just being a bum before getting various jobs that never lasted long. After that I finally got a full time job and pulled my shit together. Been living at home all this time for quite cheap, but it was so I could save up to put a deposit on a house. I have finally done that, and with the help of my parents (who get that money, plus their share, back when the house is sold) and my brother/his girlfriend. Finally move out for the first time in a month  People might claim I've had it easy, but I've been deaf since birth. I'd rather have moved out at 16 than been deaf for my whole life. Not to mention the costs of hearing aids, hearing aid molds etc is ridiculous on top of everything else in life.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: Sheepish]
#7495081 - 10/07/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sheepish said: I can understand the frustration of spoiled rich kids. There's a difference between helping out and giving them a completely free ride. Growing up, my parents had to do their best to put food on the table. We weren't poor, but they had to work their arses off to pay the mortgage and so we could go on holiday every so often. Eventually that work payed off and my dad owns the electrical company he worked for. Once I hit mid teens, things got more comfortable, but I hardly got a free ride. I got a part time job at 15 so I could buy my own car, and pay for my own gas. The more expensive shit (medical things, operations, hearing aids etc) they paid for. The only time I got a free ride was when I finished school and didn't know what the hell to do. I spent 2 years just being a bum before getting various jobs that never lasted long. After that I finally got a full time job and pulled my shit together. Been living at home all this time for quite cheap, but it was so I could save up to put a deposit on a house. I have finally done that, and with the help of my parents (who get that money, plus their share, back when the house is sold) and my brother/his girlfriend. Finally move out for the first time in a month  People might claim I've had it easy, but I've been deaf since birth. I'd rather have moved out at 16 than been deaf for my whole life. Not to mention the costs of hearing aids, hearing aid molds etc is ridiculous on top of everything else in life.
not totally deaf since you were able to use hearing aids but what percentage would you say?
I was talking to my girlfriend about deaf people yesterday, I was wondering how deaf at birth people learned to read? Cause when i read i hear the sounds in my head, do deaf people visualize the signs as they are reading?
any insight would be great. Thanx man.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: Sheepish]
#7495109 - 10/07/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think one of the things that fuels bitterness towards the 'rich kids' is the fact that the 'average joes' have to COMPETE with these people, gradewise.
In order to get into a good college right outside of high school, you have to have good grades and lots of extracurricular activities.
well guess what my extracurricular activity was? Working every day after school from 3-11. And its kind of hard to get an A on every test when you have no time to study because you are working to get money for all the things that mom and dad don't want to buy you; ie a car, clothes, music, etc...
Its the same in college. Its easy to get a 4.0 and get into grad school when everything is taken care of for you. But much less so when you have to worry about financing your living expenses.
do potential employers care, or take into account that you did everything yourself? hell no, all they care about is that number on your transcript.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: sui]
#7495235 - 10/07/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what percentage, but profoundly deaf (so I'm actually quite deaf). It works in terms of what frequencies my dead cochlear hairs can actually pick up. Higher frequencies are harder for me to hear (requires MASSIVE volume to hear those) but lower frequencies are easier to hear and is combined with the sensation in the body of feeling it. While I can hear most things, speech recognition is hard for me. I can hear the speech and the words, but my ears don't recognise what is being said a lot of the time. I rely on lip reading and body language cues to fill in the blanks. Doctors said I wouldn't get past the reading age of 5 (or something around there) and that I would never be able to speak. I'm currently reading 1984 and enjoy reading lots of books. I can also speak Not perfect, but as well as I can. The problem with talking when deaf is that I can't hear exactly what a normal hearing person would; so since speech sounds different to me, I will pronounce it how I tend to hear it. Some deaf people aren't able to do well with reading/writing. I think it's a combination of using sign language (sign language speech is different and doesn't use as many words; it is less complex than spoken english) and that many deaf people don't always good have speech skills, so don't verbalise much. However, I don't really know the real reason. I personally don't use sign language, so I don't think in terms of signs when reading. I don't think most deaf people do either, but again, I wouldn't know.
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Re: Morons and money [Re: Sheepish]
#7495250 - 10/07/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im gonna assume you dont have a kid cause im to coked up to read your thread, but from the title i think you should put yourself in a person who has a child who is a greedy prick with no values and is a white collar citizen whos parents who have money to throw away, so they use to buy their childs love, how embarassing not having a kid that loves u or thinks ur shitty parent, some have tougher hand, and should, and beat there kid if they were like that, some spoil thats all now goodnight folks.
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SymmetryGroup8
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Re: Morons and money [Re: AJ4U]
#7495663 - 10/07/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay, my parents paid me through college. I went to school with in State tuition. But the reality is that I don't spend a lot of money. I rarely do anything. The only thing I do is computer, occasionally some weed. I rarely drink. Sure, I get depressed and shit but I don't complain about life being hard.
I also worked for two years at a school lab. So I didn't completely just sit on my ass LOL. The only regret is that I wish I made better grades. I think if I had to support myself through college,to really "earn" my way through college, I would probably worked a lot harder.
Overall I have mad respect for those who put themselves through college. Because I sure didn't.
Anyway, someone mentioned grad school. If you do some sort of science thing most likely you can get funding. The department will pay.
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badchad
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Quote:
SymmetryGroup8 said:
Anyway, someone mentioned grad school. If you do some sort of science thing most likely you can get funding. The department will pay.
This is how it is when getting a Ph.D. However, you work 60+ hours a week and make about 23K a year.
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SymmetryGroup8
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Re: Morons and money [Re: badchad]
#7495837 - 10/07/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I know it sucks bad. But if you want to teach then that's the way to go. Personally I would do masters first, to see if it's what you want to do.
Seriously if you work the math it's definitely better to just go find a job with your B.S. In the long run you will make more with the job thing versus doing the PH.D thing.
But for some they enjoy it so it works out. It all depend on the person.
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