undergrounder said:

I'd read that link but don't bother sourcing the ssaa for non-biased information, give the Bureau of Stats a go: http://www.abs.gov.au/

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Come on Wiccan_Seeker you wrote a great Tek on capsules how can you honestly think that someone who is out to kill is more dangerous with a baseball bat than with a gun?

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Someone with a baseball bat is more inclined to use his weapon than someone with a gun, because guns have a death stigma. People who are out to kill are fairly rare but they are lethal with any weapon.

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You can't stop the crims getting the guns unless you stop all guns getting into the system...

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if it were legal i would be petrified about the possibillity of the little old lady in the grocery aisle packing a DEagle in her knickers...

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You're going to be praying that little old lady was there if you ever walk into the wrong crowd. She and her Desert Eagle may be the only factor that makes you come away from the encounter with a strong tale rather than a wheelchair. And the little old lady (in my model of gun availability) will have been thoroughly screened to make sure she doesn't have a criminal, evil, unsound or unstable mindset and will have proven her merit before an instructor at a firing range.
I'd feel safer with 50 caliber granny around

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If you should worry at all you'd better worry about evil people instead of the weapons they use. People who have been in and out of jails for all sorts of violent crime, who habitually stomp people into a pulp and who at one fateful night happen to set their sights on you. To some people their fellow man is no more than what a mouse is to a bored cat.

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undergrounder said:

Guns and crime are not particularly related,

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There you have it folks from a gun control supporters mouth.

I don't know what you mean by guns can do things other weapons can't.Millions where killed in Africa in a short time with machetes.The only instance i can think of is a massacre with a very short timeframe like VT tech . In that case you are right. But more people die from lightining each year atleast in the US but thats just one example.It's really an insignificant number and falls under oddities and freak deaths

undergrounder said:

Yeah i am from Australia. We aren't allowed to carry handguns of any type, in any situation except for law enforcement and certain security.

We definitely don't have assault rifles or anything of the sort. It's kind of laughable to think about it.

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Prisoner#1 said:

Skunk420 said:

my ex girlfriend had brothers and cousins that were gangsters, and some of the peesp I know that are in prison, drug dealers...and about the same.

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you're from Utah, just how dangerous is a pack of fruity mormons

Skunk420 said:

How about 2 mistomeanors with weed and a dui?

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learn to spell misdemeanor before you go out getting any more, since you can spell
felony, you're welcome to a few of them to balance things out

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I'm bewildered that more austrailians arent questioning their government, arent looking deeper into these supposed crime stats, and are more than willing to accept at face value what they're told...

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undergrounder said:

Of the three times i've been attacked, twice with a knife i've gotten away each time fine and i'm glad a gun wasn't involved. Of all the friends i know who work in pubs and the security industry, armed holdups have always been with baseball bats and knives. Not only is that safer for the patrons but there have also been stories of punters fighting back, again without guns because no guns were involved in the attack.

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For the people searching through crime stats (at least it's the abs) and newspaper reports the reality of life here is unless you're a dealer, in a gang, a triad, bikie gang or otherwise get yourself into shit, you will never ever see a gun or need one.

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After the world's biggest single gunman rampage in 1996, the ban on gun ownership has stopped any such repeat in this country.

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I think if it is possible to achieve the same restrictions on guns to the same effectiveness in America as it is here (granted that would be hard), at the very least it would have a very real impact on stopping the kinds of mass shootings that are becoming an epidemic over there.

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Huh? Don't assume so much. Especially since the NRA constantly publishes fake stories about little girls saving the day because they own a M16.

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For the record we don't have a bill of rights. We certainly don't have a right to bear arms. Hell our head-of-state is answerable to the leader of a foreign country... and Yes the country works fine. All this talk of "don't trust your govt." and conspiracy talk is another relic of American history and isn't ours.

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I think you have good reason to question your govt, especially given its track record of secrecy and lying to the people. The mistrust of govt. is engrained in American history to an extent that it isn't here save for the Eureka stockade. In Aus. a free press and compulsory voting is more effective than having a gun under the bed will ever be.

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the_notorious said:

I understand where both of you are coming from, but once again, its not the responsible gun owner that im worried about, its the people who have no self control who come into possession of a gun and kill people.

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