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Cloning grocery store strains
    #711513 - 06/29/02 04:38 PM (22 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #712519 - 06/30/02 03:39 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

Other than as an exercise, why would you want to cultivate the grocery store mushrooms anyway? There are other species of Agaricus which are not difficult to find which are much better in taste and texture than the commercial Agaricus bisporus. Most commercial mushroom strains were selected for their shelf life. For a large commercial farm it does no good to produce the best tasting mushrooms in the world if nobody can eat them if they've already gone bad before your customers can get them home to eat.


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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ToxicMan]
    #712575 - 06/30/02 04:49 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #712619 - 06/30/02 05:33 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

Because you're running a culture bank is certainly a good reason. I note (from another thread) that you own a mushroom culture company. Given that most of the people out here seem more interested in what gets them high than mycology I was just curious about why that species. Good luck with your cultures.


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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #712646 - 06/30/02 05:58 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

I mentioned having read about this with Agaricus, but for the life of me I can't remember where/when I heard it. It could very well be an urban legend. I spent some time going through GGMM, and while he doesn't specifically say that cloning grocery store mushrooms will/wont work, he does emphasize the importance of working with a culture as close to its genetic origin as possible. That could be related, because the commercial cultivators have expanded a great many times before final fruiting.
If it were a simple matter of strain selection, I could see them doing it; There is quite a bit of genetic change that occurs when mycelium from a fruitbody is stimulated to revert to vegetative growth, then back to fruitbody again. I could see certain 'strains' not being able to do this very well, and those strains being chosen from the hundreds a commercial operation has at its disposal [all other things being equal].
But again, even searching the internet yielded nothing of substance on this. Not that it would be a well published thing!
I know of a couple people that have had problems working with grocery store strains. However, I don't know if their success would have been better working with wild-cloned Agaricus.

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ToxicMan]
    #712657 - 06/30/02 06:12 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: Suntzu]
    #712670 - 06/30/02 06:26 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #712671 - 06/30/02 06:27 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

nice reply!

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: shaggymane]
    #712684 - 06/30/02 06:39 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #712695 - 06/30/02 06:52 AM (22 years, 28 days ago)

you may have millions on your hands! in my opion it's the best tasting mushroom out thier.maybe you will trade this strain LOL

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #720215 - 07/03/02 11:14 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

what does DELIQUESCE!!!!! mean?



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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: goatywoaty]
    #720226 - 07/03/02 11:18 AM (22 years, 25 days ago)

for real,

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: goatywoaty]
    #720348 - 07/03/02 12:10 PM (22 years, 25 days ago)

what does DELIQUESCE!!!!! mean?-
like its like rottening- starting to die

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: goatywoaty]
    #720860 - 07/03/02 05:02 PM (22 years, 25 days ago)

Dissolve, melt to a black goo.

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: Anno]
    #720869 - 07/03/02 05:09 PM (22 years, 25 days ago)

P. ostreatus cloned from a store after 14 days:



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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: Anno]
    #721845 - 07/04/02 03:30 AM (22 years, 24 days ago)

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: Anno]
    #724189 - 07/05/02 05:31 AM (22 years, 23 days ago)

thanks!


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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #725645 - 07/05/02 10:27 PM (22 years, 22 days ago)

The brown variety of Agaricus bisporus cloned on the same day isn?t growing that well on the same agar medium.


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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: Anno]
    #725843 - 07/06/02 03:11 AM (22 years, 22 days ago)

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #725869 - 07/06/02 04:01 AM (22 years, 22 days ago)

Yes, they are crimini.

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: Anonymous]
    #726619 - 07/06/02 01:52 PM (22 years, 22 days ago)

I do realize that as a possibility. My thoughts were more along the lines of why not culture a related Agaricus which tastes better? The typical Agaricus bisporus strains sold in the grocery are relatively tasteless compared to fairly common species such as Agaricus bitorquis (which is, I understand, cultured and sold in Europe).


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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: Anno]
    #726799 - 07/06/02 03:34 PM (22 years, 22 days ago)

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #727347 - 07/06/02 08:12 PM (22 years, 22 days ago)

Yes, same species but different strains.

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: Anno]
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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #732959 - 07/09/02 05:23 AM (22 years, 19 days ago)

>>Your link indicates they Crimini and Portobella may be different strains if I read it correctly. Odd. Thanks for the info though.

Kalispera

Crimini or Cremini is the same mushroom, which is a variation of AB.

CREMINI (KRAY-MEE-NEE) - Also called crimini or portabellini. A darker brown, slightly firmer variation of the everyday cultivated white mushroom (Agaricus bisporus). They have a fuller flavour than white mushrooms and are used raw or cooked in recipes. The portobello (also portabella) is the fully matured form of this mushroom.

btw, its so cool to c another greek mushroom cultivator in here... i have read of a company of yours... pm me pleaz for info on your company!

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: kykeon]
    #732972 - 07/09/02 05:36 AM (22 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #733897 - 07/09/02 12:06 PM (22 years, 19 days ago)

What kind of company do you have?
An thelis na to les....;)

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #734210 - 07/09/02 02:28 PM (22 years, 19 days ago)

nice, the mycopaks are the cats ass, great idea. is that Ohio , Greece ? LOL

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #734958 - 07/09/02 07:25 PM (22 years, 19 days ago)

>The later is responsible for the distribution of the mycopak, a >method whereby mycelium is grown in little hermetically
>sealed sterile plastic pouches and sold through the mail.

Really? You or your company first intoduced this?
I first seen seen this method around 2 years ago and have been using it for sending and storing agar wedges since then.
(using small ziplok bags)

>I am unsure what your second sentence means.
It means "if you want to tell", it?s greek.(in latin letters though...)

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #735048 - 07/09/02 08:18 PM (22 years, 18 days ago)

I found this link: http://www.biznet1.com/mushroom/mushroom.htm
Is this your company?

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ]
    #738057 - 07/11/02 12:42 AM (22 years, 17 days ago)

Was the non-deliquescing mushrooms releasing spores or was it sterile?
I guess that if you start from spores there is always a possibility to get a sterile fruit bodies that would not deliquesce in Coprinus case. I heard that sterile Pleurotus strains are being developed because of heavy spore loads in grow rooms.

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: ToxicMan]
    #28626271 - 01/18/24 05:46 PM (6 months, 1 hour ago)

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Other than as an exercise, why would you want to cultivate the grocery store mushrooms anyway? There are other species of Agaricus which are not difficult to find which are much better in taste and texture than the commercial Agaricus bisporus. Most commercial mushroom strains were selected for their shelf life. For a large commercial farm it does no good to produce the best tasting mushrooms in the world if nobody can eat them if they've already gone bad before your customers can get them home to eat. 



true, maybe you hybridize with wild mushrooms for an exotic twist?

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Re: Cloning grocery store strains [Re: madcap93]
    #28626278 - 01/18/24 05:51 PM (6 months, 1 hour ago)

This thread is buying beer for the other two threads. (Please stop bumping old threads)

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