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Selling to organic grocery stores.
    #2621168 - 04/30/04 08:46 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

What has been your experience in dealing with these types of stores? Are they generally receptive to the idea of buying from individuals or small businesses?


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2621296 - 04/30/04 09:18 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

hehe, i'll let you know after this weekend how it went for me.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: debianlinux]
    #2621836 - 04/30/04 10:58 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

You should get incorperatet, i think its under $100. This makes it safer for you and the sores feel more comfortble too.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2621935 - 04/30/04 11:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

My best customers have been organic/health food stores. I don't know about your area, but around here there isn't any supply of much of anything beyond buttons and portabellas so they buy as much as they can get.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: brainbreath]
    #2622319 - 05/01/04 12:39 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

How do you go about finding them?


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2623450 - 05/01/04 06:08 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

well, i landed an outlet. god handed it to me. my wife and i each put the product of our respective businesses in a charity auction (mine being a pound of shiitake). one of the guys on the auction's boards happened to be the owner of the area's largest natural foods store. he was quite interested and i'll be selling all i can to him now.


so, um, that's how it's done. fucking blind luck.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: debianlinux]
    #2628576 - 05/03/04 01:25 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

werd, nice one.

If i were you I would just go out and check whut the stores have, do a little research. Find out where they get their product frum, if its someone local or someone far away. Then present your item to the owner of the store, skip all the werkers and ask to see the owner/manager. Undercut the compitition if they aren't local. I would rather buy local and support the business in my area. Plus, its gunna be that much more fresh.

Anyways, thats whut I how I would go about it.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: dastats]
    #2636107 - 05/04/04 04:39 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i go to a resteraunt of 3 or more stars and ask to seethe chef, then i ake him out to the car and show him a backseat full of freshly picked monster chanterelles.
i then leavewith whatever cash i ask for them up to $15 per lb.
i can easly clean up $300 a day after 2 hrs picking.

the best places are small trendy bistros, casinos, anything french, and places that serve fine wines.

ask to see a wine menu, if its expensive, ask to speak buissiness with the chef. sometimes it helps when you have already sold to his or her competition to the fancy of the saviour faire.
this is when chef will often make you a better offer providing you sell soley to him, inform him that you have to sell evrything while its fresh or you will have to sell it to his competitor, bang bang, instant deal, you can now sell evrything in one trip at a good price, i like to offer a lower price to these customers just to seal in the contact.







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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2636185 - 05/04/04 05:09 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2636689 - 05/04/04 09:13 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Are those all oyster or do I spy a bolete in that pile?


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2641484 - 05/05/04 08:58 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

is it legal to grow gormet mushrooms and sell them to local grocery stores and co ops, without paying tax on the sale

what is the limit of income that one can recieve from a project like this before he/she is reqired to report it
and would the product have to be inspected by outside parties before marketing ?
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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Lallafa]
    #2641619 - 05/05/04 09:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

there is a limit on how much volume you can move before having to pass inspections or bear certification. i am unaware of the limits and have been informed that they vary from state to state.

technically, any sale that constitutes income is to be reported to the IRS at least annually. depending on how your company is setup and your state's income tax requirements you may have to file up to 4 times per year. IOW, if your selling mushrooms without reporting the numbers you are breaking the law. I keep track of every single sale by name, date, quantity and price. Until the business shows a profit it will act as a writeoff for other income. it's amazing how many writeoffs a small business can generate, it makes the cost of owning an automobile significantly cheaper.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Lallafa]
    #2641639 - 05/05/04 09:34 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

If you're wholesaling, then you don't have to collect sales tax.

As for income, you're supposed to report all your income. I wouldn't bother getting a business license or Employee Identification Number (EIN) unless you're making more than $1000 a year.

I don't think you need to have produce inspected. Legally, mushrooms should be treated the same as any other vegetable.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2641842 - 05/05/04 10:37 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I just got back from a Pick n Save (chain grocery store) in the middle of a rich suburb. They were selling bulk oysters for $6 a pound. No doubt they buy these wholesale in 5 lb cartons. Kind of goes to show that selling to chain grocery stores is a waste of time. Someone said it here best, these types of grocers will only want something for nothing.

I was told by a manager at an organic grocer, that if you sell less than $5000 per year you can label your product organic without certification.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: YidakiMan]
    #2641862 - 05/05/04 10:42 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

As an addendum I wanted to add that those chain grocers are supporters of the GMO, pesticide, fertilize to the max movement. They exist to support the corporate farms and screw everyone else over. Including the consumer, screwing them by selling them an inferior product loaded with chems and no nutrients.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: YidakiMan]
    #2641891 - 05/05/04 10:52 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i was thinking there may be a small market for consumers who preferred local, organic, eco friendly set ups.
i see many people selling small potted herbs and vegetable plants at co ops and farmer markets, and seem to make a living this way.
most of them dont seem to have anyone telling them directly what to do, and its honest work.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Lallafa]
    #2641931 - 05/05/04 11:06 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Sales tax doesn't have to be paid on produce, you do however have to report all of the income to the IRS, file form 1099 self employment tax. You only need an EIN if you employ people other than yourself, otherwise all you need is your SS#.
There aren't any federal requirements for inspection. The produce brokers I have spoken to all want a certification from the USDA that they are farm grown mushrooms because of the potential hazards associated with wild mushrooms. All they do is come out and say, yes they are farm grown, then print you up a letter. They don't do any inspection of it though. Where I live is a highly agricultural area, so there is USDA county extension office about three miles up the road.
In order to label them organic you must be certified, no matter what the amount. Either the produce broker or the store you sell to is required to have a copy of your certification on hand.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: brainbreath]
    #2641970 - 05/05/04 11:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I forgot to add that if you were to package them in individual containers for retail sale, under the bioterrorism act, you have to register with the FDA. For bulk sales to brokers or stores doesn't require registering.
If you were to produce over 500,000 lbs a year you have to register with the mushroom council, and pay  $.003 per pound. If you produce under 500,000 lbs you have to register and file for exemption.
I'm not saying you probabbly couldn't do it for a while without getting in trouble though  :wink:


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: brainbreath]
    #2642076 - 05/05/04 11:54 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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In order to label them organic you must be certified, no matter what the amount. Either the produce broker or the store you sell to is required to have a copy of your certification on hand.




I've heard contrary to that. A produce manager I've talked to said that if you do under $5000 worth of business in a year, you do not need USDA organic certification. The produce manager told me a simple letter head stating you are organic is enough.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: brainbreath]
    #2642694 - 05/06/04 03:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Sales tax doesn't have to be paid on produce...




at least as far as the federal government is concerned. this may or may not hold true for your state.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: brainbreath]
    #2643203 - 05/06/04 05:48 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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If you were to produce over 500,000 lbs a year you have to register with the mushroom council, and pay $.003 per pound




Is this a government entity, or a private organization?


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2643278 - 05/06/04 06:07 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Government entity.http://mushroomcouncil.org/ They lowered the assessment from .0029 to .002 http://www.ams.usda.gov/news/021-03.htm


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: YidakiMan]
    #2643342 - 05/06/04 06:22 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

You're right,  it's covered here  I must have missed that :frown:  7 cfr 205  is a long document.
Debian's right too, there isn't state tax on it here so I hadn't considered it...


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2644005 - 05/06/04 09:37 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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i can easly clean up $300 a day after 2 hrs picking.





in the atlanta area most places will refuse a wild picked mushroom...

also under new FDA regs theres all sorts new paperwork and regulations to deal with in food crops concerning bioterrorism....


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2644019 - 05/06/04 09:43 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

http://mushroomcouncil.org/docs/2002/fmppt.pdf

Check out page 19...
"When purchasing wild mushrooms, use only known and
approved sources. Do not purchase mushrooms from
unknown, unidentified or ?recreational? foragers."


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: YidakiMan]
    #2644150 - 05/06/04 10:52 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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http://mushroomcouncil.org/docs/2002/fmppt.pdf

Check out page 19...
"When purchasing wild mushrooms, use only known and
approved sources. Do not purchase mushrooms from
unknown, unidentified or ?recreational? foragers."




That is maybe wise advice but the main purpose of it is
that suppliers get their share, I think.. (and they get their
merchandise from those unknown foragers...)

Last autumn this company http://personal.inet.fi/yritys/dallavalle/
bought (with cash) tons of Finnish porcinis and exported them to
Italy..mostly from those ?recreational? foragers...
They had a hard time of buying all that was offered, and they
even run out of cash occasionally...

Here is another Finnish company, http://www.finnishporcinisupply.com/


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Speeker]
    #2644175 - 05/06/04 11:16 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Would that be because it not the USA? I think the American FDA is a little more strict then them crazy Euros?
Whut do ya think. I know they have truffle hunters that sell publically.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: dastats]
    #2644200 - 05/06/04 11:36 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

"crazy Euros" :smile: I dunno. A mushrooms is a mushroom is a mushroom...

How do you know where it is from anyway. Or who has given mushrooms
some  rat poison with  :syringe: at backwoods ...  :tongue:

Maybe Americans have be more "strict" (paranoid)..  :wink:


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: Speeker]
    #2646829 - 05/07/04 02:42 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I think the answer is they are more paranoid. Liability is a much bigger scare here. A restaurant in the states would be put out of business if they had a poisoning. The mushrooms they are buying: chantrelles, morels, black trumpets etc, are all easily identified mushrooms for the recreational mushroom forager, but how can a restaurant put all that trust in someone they just met five minutes ago. I would bet a very few people at the restaurant might not be able to recognize the difference between a chantrelle and a false chantrelle.


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Re: Selling to organic grocery stores. [Re: YidakiMan]
    #23470236 - 07/24/16 03:44 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

organic life is too regulated. people dont want to deal with you unless you have all the paper work lined up and ready to show all your special tickets.


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