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Assumption
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Why do we assume things? And why do we believe our assumptions to be so valid?

Unless we are assuming in an investigative manner, as in a conversation, assuming seems to be rather pointless, inaccurate, destructive, damaging, and ignorant. It effects both the assumer and the assumed.

I'm talking about assuming things in regards to other people, but I suppose it could apply in other instances.

Assumptions are the root of many problems I think.


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From dust you are made and to dust you shall return.

Edited by elbisivni (05/29/07 12:45 PM)

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Re: Assumption [Re: elbisivni]
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Assumption occurs when one finds himself/herself in a state of not knowing about the nature of something/somebody. This, in my opinion, has both positive and negative aspects.
It's in our human nature to be curious and if you come to think about it, it's curiosity who has brought us this far, but also it's what made us do mistakes. All in all, I prefer to look at this phenomenon as something that has an infinite potential. All we know by now started from some assumptions, some of them turned out to be reliable, others not. Curiosity is the backbone of human progress.
We already know, by the simple act of observing what are the qualities and flaws of making assumptions, so now I'm asking you (and myself) this: how would this world be if we'd stop making any assumption? Maybe we would rid of lot of erroneous data, but also I think that our evolution would go very slow... we'd stop a big a part of the communication flux (which I find to be very important) and we'd head to knowledge with the speed of a snail walking on a hot piece of metal :smile:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Re: Assumption *DELETED* [Re: elbisivni]
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Reason for deletion: for great justice


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Re: Assumption [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I give inquisitive assumption an A+ and I do agree that it has aided in our progression significantly

but assumption that produces final thought/opinion doesn't make it, and that's the kind that I'm complaining about

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Maybe we would rid of lot of erroneous data, but also I think that our evolution would go very slow... we'd stop a big a part of the communication flux (which I find to be very important) and we'd head to knowledge with the speed of a snail walking on a hot piece of metal


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Re: Assumption [Re: LuMan87]
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quit talking out of your ass :bitchsmack: and welcome to the shroomery :thumbup:

alright well perhaps it is reasonable to assume in this manner, but why do so many people make assumptions and assume that they are solid deductions?  or how can they allow themselves to always view another person based on these assumptions?  it can be very degrading and I assume there are people who put up with it.  whether or not there are I think we often put to much importance on our assumptions, but I think I'm already starting to repeat myself.


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Re: Assumption [Re: elbisivni]
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but assumption that produces final thought/opinion doesn't make it, and that's the kind that I'm complaining about


I know exactly what you mean by that and I'm afraid all I can do is sympathize with you :shrug:... it sucks and we don't like it, it brings a lot of confusion but until now nobody figured out a way to stop it. As long as curiosity exists, there will be assumptions, and as long as assumptions will be made, some of them will have a negative effect. All we can do is use our own minds the best way that we can and learn from the wrong assumptions we make. Again... individualism. But I prefer to remain with a good outlook knowing that there will always be other individualists we can share what we feel with.

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Exactly :lol:
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Assumption [Re: elbisivni]
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In my 6-7 years here, I have noticed that upwards of 95% of assumptions regarding myself by other posters (usually those who believe they are in-tune and somewhat psychic) are completey erroneous.

"Obviously you have never tried mushrooms."

"If only you had done some research on UFOs."

"Try reading some McKenna sometime..."

There have been thousands of these incorrect assumptive statements, but they keep on coming because so many are certain they have others figured out. Amazing.


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Re: Assumption [Re: elbisivni]
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In the Army I was told Assume=ass+u+me.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Assumption *DELETED* [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Post deleted by LuMan87

Reason for deletion: for great justice


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Re: Assumption [Re: LuMan87]
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Isn't it supposed to be "Assume.....makes an ass out of u and me"?

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Re: Assumption [Re: Newbie]
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That's the Army for ya.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Assumption [Re: elbisivni]
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I'm talking about assuming things in regards to other people

Did you assume people would read this thread when you started it?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Assumption [Re: Diploid]
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no but I was hoping they would..

and even if I had, which I did, how would it be damaging to anyone involved?


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Re: Assumption [Re: elbisivni]
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From the Jung’s Glossary.
Intuition is the superior function in the big schema.
Intuition. The psychic function that perceives possibilities inherent in the present. (Compare sensation.)
Intuition gives outlook and insight; it revels in the garden of magical possibilities as if they were real.
Ex: There is ‘Don Juan’ at the Antartida. Speculative thinking; intuitive feeling.. Who can change that?


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Wave.
'And for this reason repentance (metanoia) is an elevating means. For he who feels impatience with the circunstances in which he finds himself, devises means of escape.
  Now the chief thing in purification is the will. For then both deeds and words lend a helping hand. But, when the will is absent, the whole purificatory discipline of initiation is...'

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Re: Assumption [Re: Newbie]
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Only erroneous assumptions cause someone to make an ass out of themselves... leave me out of it.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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