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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: fireworks_god]
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Well, I am starting to see delusion as an art form.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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"We are all greater artists than we realize." -- Nietzche


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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Perhaps, but go to several random Homeopathy, Crystal, Psychic or Creationist websites of your own choosing.

Then go to a Programming, Science or Math website and note the differences in presentational errors that have nothing to do with communication style and all to do with clarity vs. sloppiness.

Then report back.


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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Perhaps you can provide and outline a couple of sites and determine;
1) Who is the editor
2) Their background
3) How this supports your theory.
4) How is this valid in regards to meaningless technical jargon seemingly based on technical and/or artistic information that is abound and how it stands out.

You propose it, you should provide evidence.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I don't doubt that, but I am merely pointing out that the educated and the literate are just as prone to irrational belief as the illiterate, but they come off smoother when trying to explain it....doesn't make them more rational though.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
literate are just as prone to irrational belief as the illiterate, but they come off smoother when trying to explain it....doesn't make them more rational though.


Actually, yes it does.

What do you think "Rational" means? I suspect you are using the wrong word.

If people are using their knowledge (correct, or not)... they are rationalizing their thoughts.

Ignorance is more troublesome.

The educated are more likely to "Rationalize".


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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: Rose]
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I guess in that sense your right. I can put my crazy bullshit across as "intellectual thought", and my delusions may be just a bit more organized than a non literate person could muster.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Yup...

And, you would be more likely to CHANGE YOUR MIND, when presented with conclusive evidence... conflicting with your opinion.


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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: Rose]
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Not to Cervantes.

I have read scores of applications for the Randi Challenge http://www.randi.org and nearly all of them are vague, inconsistent and riddled with presentational errors while the skeptical respondents are generally clear, concise and relatively error-free.


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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I don't doubt it.

I'll give you that point, if you concede this:

Einstein and, the Wright Brothers were creative motherfuckers.


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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: Rose]
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Granted. Now about those mothers... I will need proof.


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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Too late, you already granted me the point. :cheer:


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Hrm, what about people who change writing styles depending on mood?
Whi arr joo sew cawwwt uhp?
its the meaning that matters, and when one rights
And what seems, with this language, varies upon interpretation no matter how precisely its written


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at this point i think we can be relatively certain seperation exists as a fallacy of finite perception, and the only barrier to infinite creativity is a preimposed notion of certainty and artificial conditioning. nothing is without origin

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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: reflectedlight]
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:smile:
I think all this can be viewed by some other similar perspective too, and a well known subject: can we reason without a language?
I am positive that we can :shrug:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Note: for the point of this discussion, I am referencing beliefs which have not been pounded in during childhood from parents and authorities, but adopted later.

It is my observation that those people who put full stock in unsubstantiated beliefs tend to have poor spelling and grammar (in general) and less cohesive thoughts at least as far as written expression.

Now this is not meant to be a slamming. I just wonder if it has to do with brain structure and /or which hemisphere is most emphasized.

Seems that those with the most mathematical and logical minds tend to be much more skeptical of such claims than those who are more into imagination and have a poetic outlook on life. That same sort of mental precision (or imprecision as the case may be) is, not surprisingly, reflected in verbal and written expression.


IMO it's the fact that almost nothing was taught in childhood that is the problem. Or the example was one of a sloppy minimum of thought mixed with prejudice.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: Icelander]
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poetry
we are but poetry
on top of
biology


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:brainfart: _ :finger:

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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: redgreenvines]
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"We are the champions my friend; and we'll go on fighting to the end."


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: Icelander]
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There once was a guy from Nantucket...


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
There once was a guy from Nantucket...


Who bought some 'extra crispy' in a bucket...


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Re: Literacy and Far-out Beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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When he arrived
everything seemed alive
Then he promised he would never say 'fuck it'.


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