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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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absolutes?
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Are there absolute truths? Can everything be proven absolutely? Anything from the existence to gravity, the emotion of love, or a philosophical idea... can these all be proven absolutely true? Does relativity provide truths?


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Re: absolutes? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
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Absolute is just of side of the truth. How can one side be THE only?


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Re: absolutes? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Absolutes are wrong.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: absolutes? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Truth is a constant. We are a variable.


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Wave.
'And for this reason repentance (metanoia) is an elevating means. For he who feels impatience with the circunstances in which he finds himself, devises means of escape.
  Now the chief thing in purification is the will. For then both deeds and words lend a helping hand. But, when the will is absent, the whole purificatory discipline of initiation is...'

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Re: absolutes? [Re: Recondicom]
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I hope yours was joke like mine was.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: absolutes? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Stack: Recon or dicom.
Call: Absolute joke.


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Wave.
'And for this reason repentance (metanoia) is an elevating means. For he who feels impatience with the circunstances in which he finds himself, devises means of escape.
  Now the chief thing in purification is the will. For then both deeds and words lend a helping hand. But, when the will is absent, the whole purificatory discipline of initiation is...'

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Re: absolutes? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
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Absolutes are relative. Like direct is inderect.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: absolutes? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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there are absolutely no absosolutes whatsoever.

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Re: absolutes? [Re: rubixcubies]
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rubixcubies said:
there are absolutely no absosolutes whatsoever.


Are you absolutely sure? :nut:  :lol:


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Re: absolutes? [Re: rubixcubies]
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This statement is self-contradictory. If there are absolutely no absolutes, that in itself is an absolute! And if this statement is false, then there are absolutes! And of course there are. Logical truths are absolutes, such as the law of non-contradiction.

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Re: absolutes? [Re: Zaprabe]
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He was joking. Of course when I made the same joke several posts back no one even noticed...oh well...


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: absolutes? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
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AnarchoTrip said:
Are there absolute truths? Can everything be proven absolutely? Anything from the existence to gravity, the emotion of love, or a philosophical idea... can these all be proven absolutely true? Does relativity provide truths?


Those things you mention cannot be proven absolutely. In the end you decide based on your subjective skills what is true and what is not. By skill I mean will you believe in things that enhance your experience for the short while you are here or will your time be filled with suffering? That to me is the important thing. Ultimate truth is beyond human scope and not worth striving towards.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: absolutes? [Re: Icelander]
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I find that the only absolute in this universe is basic mathmatics. one and one always is two. I can't think of anything else that is just as absolute.

BB,
Free Ur Thoughts

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Re: absolutes? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
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I think we probably live in a probabilistic universe.


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Re: absolutes? [Re: FreeUrThoughts]
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Then tell me....can one divide by zero and why not?


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: absolutes? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Can you divide something with nothing?

BB,
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Re: absolutes? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Those things you mention cannot be proven absolutely. In the end you decide based on your subjective skills what is true and what is not. By skill I mean will you believe in things that enhance your experience for the short while you are here or will your time be filled with suffering? That to me is the important thing. Ultimate truth is beyond human scope and not worth striving towards.


Why is it not worth striving for? And how is ultimate truth unattainable by humans? We are obviously no where near uncovering it, considering we can't even seem to solve comparitevly simple problems (i.e. cancer). It seems, if we study human development, that we have the capacity to understand anything and everything. Some problems are more difficult than others, but eventually, what's to stop mankind from understanding and knowning everything? Not saying one person will know all of this, just humanity collectively.

The only problem that would arise would be the existence of a relative solution.... a non-absolute resolution. So, as long as we can believe that everything in life has an absolute answer or explaination.... then eventually mankind will know everything, Disagree?


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Re: absolutes? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
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Quote:
The only problem that would arise would be the existence of a relative solution.... a non-absolute resolution. So, as long as we can believe that everything in life has an absolute answer or explanation.... then eventually mankind will know everything, Disagree?


Yes disagree.
Try to read between the lines and use your logic.
An absolute resolution will be an incomplete one. Reality, life, awareness has so may aspects that you can't just find one answer for them. It will be like a stupid and cruel joke played to us.
Are we really that thirsty for finding reasons that we actually forget to experience and transcend? Is that what really matters?
It's like being unable to see the forest because of the trees.
You gave the cancer example. Cancer happens with a purpose, just like any other sickness. Let's say we find the cure for cancer (which in your view would be a universal resolution). What about the causes of cancer? We're treating the effect like a kid who is always squeezing pimples without being aware that maybe he needs to follow a dermatological treatment, or take antibiotics, and rid the pollution/unhealthy lifestyle. It's the same thing with cancer. The things that make people have cancer will STILL be there. Will cause new diseases and so on. So we keep inventing new and more powerful "medicine" in a process which will last forever.
I think that the reason one could wish for an universal answer is the need for feeling safe which was it's roots in fear.
Everything in life has MORE then an answer since reality itself in multifaceted.
Look what happens to people who believe in a singularity. They are fundamentalist. They provoke wars and chaos and destroy lives and mess with our peace of mind.


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Re: absolutes? [Re: FreeUrThoughts]
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Is there such a thing as nothing?


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Re: absolutes? [Re: DR. PRIME]
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ScYiNs47 said:
Is there such a thing as nothing?


Depends on the point of view. Maybe from an abstract point of view that isn't such a thing as nothing.
But getting back to "real" life, with logic and discernible stuff that need to be taken to account yes, there's nothing. Nothing = something (a thing) that doesn't exists (is not there), something that has no quantity.
Which brings me back to first point and sustains my idea that there isn't such a thing as a universal truth.


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
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