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Some observations about the future of mankind.
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Humankind has/will go through these three phases:

1. Creation
2. Building
3. Maintenance/Utopia

The first phase was completed when humankind began to create the structures we know as Government, the Economy, and Language.

The second phase is the one we are now experiencing. As humans, we are now locked in a struggle for resources. There is not enough to go around, so to speak. This age is characterized by the use of non-renewable commodities like oil and natural gas. Because these things are finite, it is inherent in them that there will be a supply-demand matrix for their cost and consumption.

The third phase will begin when humankind no longer must struggle with one another to fulfill the needs of everyone. In other words, when humans switch from an economy based on expending resources to one which can be maintained without cost this age will begin. Only when supply can infinitely exceed demand will there be any hope for this era, and to do so, mankind must engineer means of producing free energy(in terms of dollars, not physics.)

We all as humans must realize this and make it our ultimate goal: to end the need for a supply-demand economy and enter the new age of man, one of endless plenty and world peace (because there will be nothing to fight for.)

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: xFrockx]
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I think it's absolutely silly to assume what the future holds for us.

For all we know, Aliens may take over the world tomorrow or Toadie may decide to share his billions and end poverty in China.

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: appleorange]
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While compelling, this is not really relevant. What I was getting at was how overcoming the necessity of supply-demand should be the goal of mankind.

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: xFrockx]
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appleorange said:
I think it's absolutely silly to assume what the future holds for us.




xFrockx said:
The second phase is the one we are now experiencing. As humans, we are now locked in a struggle for resources.


all animals are locked in a struggle, ultimately, for resources. at one point or another, in some places more frequently than others, there are food shortages from climate or population issues (increased struggle/competition at this point), as well as occasional bountiful food resources. even those that synthesize light for food (ex. algae) will one day have their resource removed

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Because these things are finite, it is inherent in them that there will be a supply-demand matrix for their cost and consumption.


as far as our limited knowledge has allowed us, we know nothing which is infinite. therefore, even for free goods, there will always be a "supply-demand matrix" for items cost and consumption. in some cases, instead of economically, it may cost someone's life trying to/succeeding in gaining a food item or other

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...mankind must engineer means of producing free energy


we do, relatively. you eat food, it gives you energy. that's about as free as it gets, man. maybe examine your/our very core needs, consider how much energy it takes to acquire them, then start thinking about desires for other things and the energy it takes to get them

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We all as humans must realize this and make it our ultimate goal:


most people are going to be turned off quickly when you say "must/have/have to" do something, because no one has to do anything, let alone what you think is best for everyone.


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Edited by demius (02/24/08 07:02 PM)

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: xFrockx]
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This is a very interesting topic. I feel it holds great relevance in the times we live in now. Many countries are looking towards sustainable/replenishable energy and resources. For instance in my country the forestry industry is a growing economy supporter and investment is not a bad idea, coal mines are getting less support and many may eventually close down for good, wind farms are becoming serious considerations.
It is nice to think that we are working towards better means of supply and that if we are going to be nice to the environment it will in turn reward us and help us with such supply.


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: xFrockx]
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You sure are optimistic about the future of mankind...

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: adrug]
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the transition is difficult as it requires criticial reevalution for a second .... you know when the space shuttle is taking off and it stalls and blows up? yeah thats what could happen, buuuutttt... if a nigger comes through like he says hes going to we might have to work hard and then relax in our private nebula with seaside spectacular star birthings and supernova waves to ride

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: adrug]
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adrug said:
You sure are optimistic about the future of mankind...


Why not be? Humans have an incredible ability to adapt. It isn't hard to gain a sense of how much the world has changed in the last 100 years, especially compared to 300 years before that.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: fireworks_god]
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Humans may adapt to physical circumstances but their emotional makeup stays the same. I don't think the world has changed at all in any important ways. "Twas ever thus". There is no reason to be pessimistic or optimistic about our future unless that fulfills a personal emotional need.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: Icelander]
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I think the emotional dynamic will change over time as we develop new ways to live consuming the least amount of recourses possible. With advanced nanotechnology it may eventually (key word: eventually) be possible to create things simply by rearranging atoms, that would mean all food, clothing, ect, would be as expensive to create as the hydrogen or whatever atoms it would require to make it. Something like that could completely alter how humans manage (and fight over) resources. There may be one day where there is no need for anyone to work for a living, imagine how people would behave then? I don't know myself, but I've been thinking about it.

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: xFrockx]
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Also it's important to keep in mind that all this advancement in technology IS the result of our own consciousness, even though the gap between the common mind and technology might still be big.


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Even more important to note is that all advances have come through rationality and scientific inquiry and mysticism has done absolutely nothing for mankind.


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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Mysticism always showed to mankind the possible ways of interpreted realities for further forthcoming outlooks.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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mysticism has done absolutely nothing for mankind.

Well, they didn't invent the combustion engine, but they weren't ever trying to, were they?

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: Notendo]
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Notendo said:
mysticism has done absolutely nothing for mankind.

Well, they didn't invent the combustion engine, but they weren't ever trying to, were they?


:confused:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Even more important to note is that all advances have come through rationality and scientific inquiry and mysticism has done absolutely nothing for mankind.


It is great to know that you've quantified all advances to make a useless statement.

:congrats:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Ok science master, prove your statement.

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: fireworks_god]
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It would be more productive to name one, would it not?


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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Here's one development of mysticism: Government. Religion was one of the first things to unite people in large groups, and the structure of the church was often not only similar to that of the government, but a lot of the time the church was the government.

There's one pretty important human development.

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Re: Some observations about the future of mankind. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I'm not playing your slanted, reductionalist game, from the loaded term "mysticism" to your sense of what constitutes an "advance". Fortunately, as I'm advocating nothing beyond calling your statement for what it is, I have no reason to even try. :hehehe:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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