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OfflineI_Heart_Sheeple
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Re: future of evolution (food before microchips) [Re: 1stimer]
    #926312 - 10/02/02 10:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)



"Our current technology requires the use of huge ammounts of resources. IIn my opinion our current rate of advancement in technology is not going to be possible for much longer"

we can use technology to improve this situation.
technology doesn't = bad for the earth
it's just the way we've been using it
what about new "green" technology?
it's working to improve the situation. that's the way we should use it.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #926348 - 10/02/02 10:47 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"And that is why there is so much conflict in the world. right?"

Basically, yes.  Collectively, we've chosen this path as a means of reuniting with the conscious love that is our essence.  What comes after conflict?  Resolution.

"Its not about knowing what every person on earth is doing. its about every person on earth having access to the wealth of human knowledge. Anyways im sure there would be a way to log in and log out. and what does it matter how. things change through evolution why does it matter how they change?"

You've simply misinterpereted me, I could have been more clear.
I meant it doesn't matter what we do, but HOW we DO, ie:  we choose to act out of selfishness of helpfulness.

"The world is capitalistic. thats something i wasnt aware of. what about china, cuba, france, etc....."

France doesn't quite fit there....but either way, I was implying there that on our present course the fututre of the world's developed nations is definately capitalism...the 'Amerikan' way, right??  :smile:

"Things change, so relating systems of government or morals or even human consciousness as we know it to future possibilities, albeit they may have an influence, is narrowminded. all these things will change. "

You are correct.  All these things will change...and no one's ever called me narrowminded before,  got a good chuckle from that.  :grin:


   


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Re: future of evolution [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #926374 - 10/02/02 10:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

well, maybe i shouldn't have called you narrowminded considering i dont know you that well.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #926384 - 10/02/02 10:58 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

We do not need artificial devices such as microchips to help us experience the collective consciousness... We are already working towards telepathic communication, with things such as the Enter-Net. Telepathy between members of the human species will bring direct contact with the collective consciousness, I think, we will understand each other better, eliminating most fears that seperate us from a more "family-like" perception of the rest of the species. Other things that will be steps in the right direction are raising children in large groups of close, "human families", which will increase the learning potential of each individual child due to the wider perspective of thoughts, knowledge, and opinions of the group.

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Re: future of evolution [Re: Adamist]
    #926411 - 10/02/02 11:06 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i kind of like the idea of instantaneous knowledge though.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: Adamist]
    #926435 - 10/02/02 11:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I was still pondering  the aspect of being able to recieve the vast collection of human knowledge, because I like that part of the cybernetics theory.  I'ved always wanted to be able to live 600 years and learn everything my heart desired, you know?  Your idea about raising children in large groups is a good one, I see how that would be very beneficial.  As we get better at utilizing the full potential of our p2p (person 2 person  :smirk:) communications networks, we'll be able to convey vast ammounts of 'raw data' when needed.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #928234 - 10/03/02 12:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I am still standing by my argument that having unlimited amounts of data is absolutely useless for the human mind and will not provide us with what is more important, which is meaning. Information does not equal meaning, necessarily. Information plus interpretation equals meaning, and infinite quantities of information overwhelm our minds because we are not able to put meaning to it.

This is why technology cannot elevate us to a higher level of being and it is also why computers themselves still remain to be inferior to the human mind and unconcious.

And since when did the internet connect people? True, it broadcasts information between people from all over the world but it certainly cuts down on one on one contact. Like or not, we experience a hell of a lot of things through our bodies. Eastern philosiphy always stated that the body can train the mind and I believe this to the utmost. There is a lot that you can only learn by experiencing it physically. Eating, fighting, having sex, playing an instrument... these are all things that depend upon physical, not just mental, education, and are valuable to our existence.


P.S. has anyone seen the movie eXistenZ?


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Re: future of evolution [Re: gluke bastid]
    #928250 - 10/03/02 12:41 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, information can be quite useless unless you are able to understand it's implications and applications. Look at all the pseudo science that gets bandied about in this forum.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: gluke bastid]
    #928287 - 10/03/02 12:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, eXistenZ was a really interesting movie. That's what I had in mind when I read this thread. Its true that actual physical interaction is important, but what if this information network got to the point (as in eXistenZ) where the difference between real and virtual interaction was indistinguishable? If we existed in a virtual world where everything we did felt exactly like it would in this world then how is it inferior?


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Re: future of evolution [Re: gluke bastid]
    #929921 - 10/04/02 12:05 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

why do you think we wouldnt be able to interpret it. our brains have a pretty large capacity. imagine using 100% of it instead of just 30%. you cant so dont assume things about it. if you cant interpret the information then how are we any worse off?


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Re: future of evolution [Re: Metasyn]
    #929925 - 10/04/02 12:07 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i dont think the world im talking about is non-physical. we will always be physical but the future of our evolution is expanding our consciousness and mental and information capacity. the last century in human technological and informational and communicational development is just a drop in the bucket of what is yet to come.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #930557 - 10/04/02 02:25 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I am not saying that we wouldn't be able to interpret information all of a sudden, I am saying that there is already more information available then most of our minds make use of. I am also saying that interpretation itself is more valuable than raw data, and that having more raw data available to each person isn't going to make us suddenly compassionate and supremely intelligent. But true, it might not make us any worse off, unless of course we all contract some horrid metavirus through the internet and it enters our bodies (existenz). Of course this is just my opinion, based solely on generalizations I've made from information available to me.  :grin:


BTW I heard that we only 30% of our brain at one given time but during the span of a day we end up using all the parts of our mind. It is not as if we have extra hard drives up there that we've never used, its more that our brains were designed to only use certain chunks at certain times. 


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #931834 - 10/04/02 02:22 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I will kill the first person who attempts to "install" a microchip in my brain.  I am not joking.  You can keep your collective consciousness.  I will not allow it.    :mad: 


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Re: future of evolution [Re: postalboy]
    #931874 - 10/04/02 02:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm with you, postalboy. Im not joking either.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: postalboy]
    #932088 - 10/04/02 03:47 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

im not trying to condone or promote it. this wont happen to fully grown adults probably. it will probably be installed when you are born. imagine not having to spend a quarter of your life in school though. by the age of 2 or 3 we will be contributing members to society. we will not be able to control our evolution. what ever the global elite wants will happen and we have no control.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #932160 - 10/04/02 04:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Any parent who would allow such a thing to happen to their child is not fit to be entrusted with the care of that child. I for one, would fight to the death to protect my children from being forced into such a thing.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: Evolving]
    #932257 - 10/04/02 04:44 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

that is because at the present it is considered immoral or unnatural. who knows, maybe in the future parents will fight to the death for the privelage of having their child implanted. how is this any different than altering our bodies in other ways such as circumcision or strapping boards on your face to shape the skull etc...


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #932310 - 10/04/02 05:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

whoever considers taking free will from a child as morally correct is insane... whether it is now, or in the future


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Re: future of evolution [Re: In(di)go]
    #932318 - 10/04/02 05:03 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

so how would this take away free will?


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #932321 - 10/04/02 05:05 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

we will not be able to control our evolution. what ever the global elite wants will happen and we have no control.




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