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future of evolution
    #920894 - 09/30/02 07:19 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i believe that human evolution in the future will reside in the integration of the internet and the body. i believe that the internet will eventually be integrated into our home appliances, tvs, radios, cars, etc... then i think the next step will be to integrate it into our bodys. i herd that there was a study at harvard where a microchip was implanted into someones body and they were successfull in transmitting data into the persons brain through the microchip. even if this isn't true i believe that someday it will be possible. When we all have microchips in our body we will then all be able to link up to the internet wirelessly and download the entire knowledge capacity of the internet into our brains. we will know what each and every person is doing on earth and they will know what you are doing. human knowledge and experience will be a collective consciousness and we will all be one. this sounds pretty nightmarish and alot of you are probably saying "no this wont happen. there are ethics involved". i believe that from generation to generation each individual generation is not able to control evolution but only experience it.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #923335 - 10/01/02 06:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

anyone wish to respond?


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #923414 - 10/01/02 07:13 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

no.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: AcursedRedDragon]
    #923417 - 10/01/02 07:15 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

you just did


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #923425 - 10/01/02 07:18 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

liez.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #923556 - 10/01/02 07:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

That's a really interesting idea. I think it could happen, although it would take many generations for people to get used to the idea. If cultural evolution has been one of increasing connectedness with one another, that would be the logical extrapolation.

I'll take your idea a little further: Everyone's brains are connected to everyone else's, and we can communicate just by transmiting our thoughts to one another. More than just communicate, we can also experience entire realities with one another without the need for physical bodies. It would be like one huge video game with each brain playing a character. I can picture a huge room with thousands of brains in jars all connected by electrodes and running on a vastly complex software system. I think this could be the ultimate goal of human evolution, to unite with the collective humanity and evolve within our imagination, unencumbered by the physical laws of this universe. This is a pretty scary thought from our cultural standpoint, but I bet you if we had the technology, there'd be no shortage of volunteers to take part in this experiment.



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Re: future of evolution [Re: Metasyn]
    #923566 - 10/01/02 08:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I hope Im dead by then.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #923628 - 10/01/02 08:28 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Whoah dude, you just described the postmodern technological transcendance fantasy so perfectly you would give any graduate school literary theory professor an orgasm.


I can't really relate with the desire of turning myself into a machine. True, machines seem pretty efficient, but there is a lot to be said for the good old fashioned visceral human experience. :wink: That bit on information (having access tp all of it) is interesting too, but think about this...

Computers have access to unlimited amounts of information and data. Humans are placing an increasing amount of importance on gathering information, so the desire to have access to just as much makes even more sense. But what makes the human mind superior to the machine (and I know that at least one person will deny this vehemently) is our ability to decide what information isn't important. Our ability to make generalizations about nature and its behavior is what makes us able to make subjective decisions with positive results. It grants us creativity, flexibility, rationality, and all those other things that I hold so dear.
  Even science is based upon generalizations. A computer can make an infinite number of calculations, but it can never make any conclusions about the results of these calculations because it can't think past the numbers. But humans can, and computers wouldn't exist if we couldn't.
 
    This is pretty much all theory from a french dude named jean brillaurd, if you want more.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: gluke bastid]
    #923941 - 10/01/02 10:13 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Guns will have to be taken away from people first.

Good luck with that...Deiter


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Re: future of evolution [Re: ricyjo]
    #924577 - 10/02/02 12:00 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

if this theory were to actually happen and all humans were psychically connected then we would have no desire for guns because we would all essentially be one and we would have compassion for one another.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #925601 - 10/02/02 06:41 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

if this theory were to actually happen and all humans were psychically connected then we would have no desire for guns because we would all essentially be one and we would have compassion for one another.

The absence of compassion for others would be my biggest concern about the whole idea. How would people earn compassion from this situation? I would fear that the welfare of individuals would be viewed as expendable relative to the will of the greater collective.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #925670 - 10/02/02 06:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

you just described the cyborg manifesto perfectly
very good read



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Re: future of evolution [Re: popdewman]
    #925987 - 10/02/02 08:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah i just read that shit, and it has a lot to do with what is going on in this post.


I don't think people would necessarily have any compassion either. If you were plugged into my conciousness and found that deep down inside I had a psychotic urge to kill (this is only hypothetical :grin: ) you, wouldn't you feel justified in arming yourself in my presence?

Perhaps your theory is that the only reason people have guns in the first place is because we have a lack of common understanding between each other. It is an interesting idea, but not provable. I would hesitate to embrace the idea that technology is suddenly going to leap from making people more disconnected to making them completely connected. Processes like this don't tend to change without a good old fashioned paradigm shift.





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Re: future of evolution [Re: buttonion]
    #925991 - 10/02/02 08:57 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"How would people earn compassion from this situation?"

because it would be difficult to be ignorant. i believe that if you know someone pretty well and feel some sort of connection to them then it would be hard not to be compassionate towards them. I dont believe in good or evil. i dont believe that people are evil. i think that once everyone learns that we dont have to fear eachother we can all live in peace and that is what i find appealing about my theory is the possibility of peace and oneness.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: gluke bastid]
    #925993 - 10/02/02 08:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i hate it when i devise a theory in my head and come to find out its already been said. kind of devalues the originality of it.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #926110 - 10/02/02 09:31 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well, you don't really need a chip implant to feel that connectedness with the rest of humanity...not to diss on your theory but the idea of a chip implanted in me in order for me to feel at one with humanity is ludacris and it makes me sick.
Humanity already exists as 'one'. You know, *sings* "One Love..........One Heart.."
I beleive these microchips and this internet is merely a persursor to telepathy. It is kind of hard to explain why I believe this, but anyone who's been online for a while and developed relationships over the internet should be able to see where I'm coming from here...
It doesn't matter if every person on earth knows what every other person is doing. All that matters is how.

I don't think a world such as the one you describe could evolve out of the capitalistic one we've made for ourselves. The only real purpose microchip implants would serve would be to benefit those companies that manufactured the microchips, guarenteeing the need for more microchips in the future.
I prefer to get my information experientially and by going deep within, to listen to the source.........



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Re: future of evolution (food before microchips) [Re: 1stimer]
    #926148 - 10/02/02 09:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)


I think that people are mistaken thinking that technology will play such a large part in the future of mankind.

Our current technology requires the use of huge ammounts of resources. IIn my opinion our current rate of advancement in technology is not going to be possible for much longer.
Instead of trying to grow and advance as fast as possible, I think we need to look towards technologies that are efficient and sustainable.

I think that there is more chance of humans being forced to return to primitive living than linking up everyones mind on the internet.

I hate to ruin the neat idea of global internet compassion. But we need to look at reality. I have travelled a lot in the third world, I have been to India and I have seen the dead bodies of starved people lying on the streets. When there are millions of people in the worl who do not have enough to eat, how are we going to all of a sudden "hook up" everybody with microchips that connect them to the global conciousness?

I think the internet global love and compassionate conciousness is a great idea.
But, seriously guys, lets get everybody food before we start worrying about microchips.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #926234 - 10/02/02 10:16 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"Humanity already exists as 'one'"

And that is why there is so much conflict in the world. right?

"It doesn't matter if every person on earth knows what every other person is doing. All that matters is how."

Its not about knowing what every person on earth is doing. its about every person on earth having access to the wealth of human knowledge. Anyways im sure there would be a way to log in and log out. and what does it matter how. things change through evolution why does it matter how they change?

"I don't think a world such as the one you describe could evolve out of the capitalistic one we've made for ourselves"

The world is capitalistic. thats something i wasnt aware of. what about china, cuba, france, etc.....


I have to disagree with everything you said in your post. You just seem like you are afraid of change. It seems that you are unable to step out of your place in time and evolution and see the big picture. Things change, so relating systems of government or morals or even human consciousness as we know it to future possibilities, albeit they may have an influence, is narrowminded. all these things will change.


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Re: future of evolution (food before microchips) [Re: LOPHO.MP]
    #926255 - 10/02/02 10:21 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"Our current technology requires the use of huge ammounts of resources. IIn my opinion our current rate of advancement in technology is not going to be possible for much longer"

Have you considered that humans are pushing there territory outward into space and other planets.

"When there are millions of people in the worl who do not have enough to eat, how are we going to all of a sudden "hook up" everybody with microchips that connect them to the global conciousness?"

You arent seeing the big picture. all of this will change. with the rise and fall of empires and civilizations there is one thing that cant be destroyed and that is information, the internet. it will always be there for civilizations to tap into and harness the possibilities.

interconnected communication networks are the future of our evolution.


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Re: future of evolution (food before microchips) [Re: 1stimer]
    #926265 - 10/02/02 10:23 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

while i dont believe that this will be a worldwide 'linkage' -- i do see it as a plausible future for post-industrialized societies.. once our tech matures to the point of this being a viable possibility


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Re: future of evolution (food before microchips) [Re: 1stimer]
    #926312 - 10/02/02 10:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)



"Our current technology requires the use of huge ammounts of resources. IIn my opinion our current rate of advancement in technology is not going to be possible for much longer"

we can use technology to improve this situation.
technology doesn't = bad for the earth
it's just the way we've been using it
what about new "green" technology?
it's working to improve the situation. that's the way we should use it.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #926348 - 10/02/02 10:47 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"And that is why there is so much conflict in the world. right?"

Basically, yes.  Collectively, we've chosen this path as a means of reuniting with the conscious love that is our essence.  What comes after conflict?  Resolution.

"Its not about knowing what every person on earth is doing. its about every person on earth having access to the wealth of human knowledge. Anyways im sure there would be a way to log in and log out. and what does it matter how. things change through evolution why does it matter how they change?"

You've simply misinterpereted me, I could have been more clear.
I meant it doesn't matter what we do, but HOW we DO, ie:  we choose to act out of selfishness of helpfulness.

"The world is capitalistic. thats something i wasnt aware of. what about china, cuba, france, etc....."

France doesn't quite fit there....but either way, I was implying there that on our present course the fututre of the world's developed nations is definately capitalism...the 'Amerikan' way, right??  :smile:

"Things change, so relating systems of government or morals or even human consciousness as we know it to future possibilities, albeit they may have an influence, is narrowminded. all these things will change. "

You are correct.  All these things will change...and no one's ever called me narrowminded before,  got a good chuckle from that.  :grin:


   


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Re: future of evolution [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #926374 - 10/02/02 10:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

well, maybe i shouldn't have called you narrowminded considering i dont know you that well.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #926384 - 10/02/02 10:58 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

We do not need artificial devices such as microchips to help us experience the collective consciousness... We are already working towards telepathic communication, with things such as the Enter-Net. Telepathy between members of the human species will bring direct contact with the collective consciousness, I think, we will understand each other better, eliminating most fears that seperate us from a more "family-like" perception of the rest of the species. Other things that will be steps in the right direction are raising children in large groups of close, "human families", which will increase the learning potential of each individual child due to the wider perspective of thoughts, knowledge, and opinions of the group.

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Re: future of evolution [Re: Adamist]
    #926411 - 10/02/02 11:06 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i kind of like the idea of instantaneous knowledge though.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: Adamist]
    #926435 - 10/02/02 11:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I was still pondering  the aspect of being able to recieve the vast collection of human knowledge, because I like that part of the cybernetics theory.  I'ved always wanted to be able to live 600 years and learn everything my heart desired, you know?  Your idea about raising children in large groups is a good one, I see how that would be very beneficial.  As we get better at utilizing the full potential of our p2p (person 2 person  :smirk:) communications networks, we'll be able to convey vast ammounts of 'raw data' when needed.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #928234 - 10/03/02 12:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I am still standing by my argument that having unlimited amounts of data is absolutely useless for the human mind and will not provide us with what is more important, which is meaning. Information does not equal meaning, necessarily. Information plus interpretation equals meaning, and infinite quantities of information overwhelm our minds because we are not able to put meaning to it.

This is why technology cannot elevate us to a higher level of being and it is also why computers themselves still remain to be inferior to the human mind and unconcious.

And since when did the internet connect people? True, it broadcasts information between people from all over the world but it certainly cuts down on one on one contact. Like or not, we experience a hell of a lot of things through our bodies. Eastern philosiphy always stated that the body can train the mind and I believe this to the utmost. There is a lot that you can only learn by experiencing it physically. Eating, fighting, having sex, playing an instrument... these are all things that depend upon physical, not just mental, education, and are valuable to our existence.


P.S. has anyone seen the movie eXistenZ?


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Re: future of evolution [Re: gluke bastid]
    #928250 - 10/03/02 12:41 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, information can be quite useless unless you are able to understand it's implications and applications. Look at all the pseudo science that gets bandied about in this forum.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: gluke bastid]
    #928287 - 10/03/02 12:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, eXistenZ was a really interesting movie. That's what I had in mind when I read this thread. Its true that actual physical interaction is important, but what if this information network got to the point (as in eXistenZ) where the difference between real and virtual interaction was indistinguishable? If we existed in a virtual world where everything we did felt exactly like it would in this world then how is it inferior?


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Re: future of evolution [Re: gluke bastid]
    #929921 - 10/04/02 12:05 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

why do you think we wouldnt be able to interpret it. our brains have a pretty large capacity. imagine using 100% of it instead of just 30%. you cant so dont assume things about it. if you cant interpret the information then how are we any worse off?


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Re: future of evolution [Re: Metasyn]
    #929925 - 10/04/02 12:07 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i dont think the world im talking about is non-physical. we will always be physical but the future of our evolution is expanding our consciousness and mental and information capacity. the last century in human technological and informational and communicational development is just a drop in the bucket of what is yet to come.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #930557 - 10/04/02 02:25 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I am not saying that we wouldn't be able to interpret information all of a sudden, I am saying that there is already more information available then most of our minds make use of. I am also saying that interpretation itself is more valuable than raw data, and that having more raw data available to each person isn't going to make us suddenly compassionate and supremely intelligent. But true, it might not make us any worse off, unless of course we all contract some horrid metavirus through the internet and it enters our bodies (existenz). Of course this is just my opinion, based solely on generalizations I've made from information available to me.  :grin:


BTW I heard that we only 30% of our brain at one given time but during the span of a day we end up using all the parts of our mind. It is not as if we have extra hard drives up there that we've never used, its more that our brains were designed to only use certain chunks at certain times. 


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #931834 - 10/04/02 02:22 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I will kill the first person who attempts to "install" a microchip in my brain.  I am not joking.  You can keep your collective consciousness.  I will not allow it.    :mad: 


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Re: future of evolution [Re: postalboy]
    #931874 - 10/04/02 02:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm with you, postalboy. Im not joking either.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: postalboy]
    #932088 - 10/04/02 03:47 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

im not trying to condone or promote it. this wont happen to fully grown adults probably. it will probably be installed when you are born. imagine not having to spend a quarter of your life in school though. by the age of 2 or 3 we will be contributing members to society. we will not be able to control our evolution. what ever the global elite wants will happen and we have no control.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #932160 - 10/04/02 04:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Any parent who would allow such a thing to happen to their child is not fit to be entrusted with the care of that child. I for one, would fight to the death to protect my children from being forced into such a thing.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: Evolving]
    #932257 - 10/04/02 04:44 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

that is because at the present it is considered immoral or unnatural. who knows, maybe in the future parents will fight to the death for the privelage of having their child implanted. how is this any different than altering our bodies in other ways such as circumcision or strapping boards on your face to shape the skull etc...


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #932310 - 10/04/02 05:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

whoever considers taking free will from a child as morally correct is insane... whether it is now, or in the future


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Re: future of evolution [Re: In(di)go]
    #932318 - 10/04/02 05:03 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

so how would this take away free will?


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #932321 - 10/04/02 05:05 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

we will not be able to control our evolution. what ever the global elite wants will happen and we have no control.




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Re: future of evolution [Re: In(di)go]
    #932323 - 10/04/02 05:05 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Do infants even have free will?


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Re: future of evolution [Re: In(di)go]
    #932332 - 10/04/02 05:09 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

that is referring to evolution not free will on an individual level although the global elite does have a lot of influence on what individuals do. the institutions of government, marriage, family structure, religion etc....


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Re: future of evolution [Re: Adamist]
    #932457 - 10/04/02 05:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

of course infants have a free will... look at them cry when they want something... it's very likely they'll get it  :grin:

and well i know it's on an evolutionary basis, not an individual one... but the individual basis affects the whole... cuz the global is the sum of all individual consciousneses...


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Re: future of evolution [Re: postalboy]
    #933312 - 10/05/02 12:27 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Though it's a bit off topic, I agree with you and Evolving.


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Re: future of evolution [Re: 1stimer]
    #936509 - 10/06/02 02:58 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Who wants to be a contributing member of society at age 2? All you're supposed to contribute at that age is a lot of messy pull ups training pants.

When this techno revolution comes and they try and put a chip in me I would honestly fight to my own death also. Fuck that shit man.


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Re: future of evolution(fuck microchips!) [Re: gluke bastid]
    #936848 - 10/06/02 05:33 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)


I agree with postalboy and Gluke!

This shit does not sound cool! This sounds like something Orwell would make up, like 1984.

I am not going to let anyone put a microchip in my or any of my kids brains. Would not this whole thing make it Oh, so easy for a government to control everyone's thoughts and actions! I sure as hell think so! That is exactly what would happen with this kind of technology.

If anyone knows anything about when TV first came out they said it was going to be the best educational tool ever. With TV information could be spread SO easily. No one realized that MISinformation could be spread just as easily.
It would be the exact same with these chips. TV is bad enough, it makes people believe all kind of bullshit. But at least with TV you can turn it off and analyze it a little. However, if the shit is getting sent right into your brain you would not know any better!

This sounds like one of the worst ideas I have heard. When I responded to this post earlier I did not even think of all the governmental implications. It would basically be easy to control everybody and know everything about anyone with one of these chips. How are you gonna plan a revolution if the government knows what you are thinking at every second?
Seriously guys this sounds like something from a friggin' movie!!






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Re: future of evolution(fuck microchips!) [Re: LOPHO.MP]
    #937677 - 10/06/02 10:23 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm glad that I'll have some backup when the government tries to start controlling our thoughts.  :smile:  Vive La Revolution. 


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Re: future of evolution(fuck microchips!) [Re: LOPHO.MP]
    #938600 - 10/07/02 06:53 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

my post isnt about the control or the chip. the chip is just an interface between the brain and the internet. the point of the post is connected human consciousness. i dont know what it will entail but it is what i see in our future because of the advances in communication networks. Maybe it seems evil in our present situation but who knows what we will be like when this comes around.


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Re: future of evolution(fuck microchips!) [Re: postalboy]
    #938773 - 10/07/02 08:20 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

What if its not a technology of control? What if its used by willing citizens to unlock the power and depth of the imagination? Technology isn't necessarily good or bad, its all in how its used.


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Re: future of evolution(fuck microchips!) [Re: Metasyn]
    #938997 - 10/07/02 09:37 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well said.


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Re: future of evolution(fuck microchips!) [Re: Metasyn]
    #940407 - 10/07/02 05:31 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

What if its not a technology of control? What if its used by willing citizens to unlock the power and depth of the imagination? Technology isn't necessarily good or bad, its all in how its used.

If our government controls it it will be used for mind control.  They steal elections.  They lie about everything.  If you think you can trust our "democracy" you are sorely mistaken.  But don't worry.  There will be some of us ready to fight for your rights when we lose them  all  to the 2nd Patriot act.    :mad: 


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