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For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam
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Nah, i dont buy it.

I think that he is still alive and well, and that the execution was all for show.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: ZippoZ]
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Who did they hire to carry out the fake execution? Criss Angel?


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Re: For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: JunkFood]
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who knows, but i think that we can all agree that we cant really trust the official story on anything these days.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: ZippoZ]
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http://www.saddamisnotdead.com/


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Re: For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: JunkFood]
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JunkFood said:
Who did they hire to carry out the fake execution? Criss Angel?


that was a fucking awesome comment :lol:
criss angel is so annoying, yet I watch his show occasionally, more out of amusement than out of serious enjoyment.  the dude is so full of him self it makes me sick. David Blane owns in my book

yea I dont know about you guys but I'm pretty sure the mans dead


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Re: For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: JunkFood]
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lol.

Who cares, Sadaam just made the retards forget about Bin Laden, he didnt mean anything anyway.


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Re: For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: mikeytro]
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Exactly, David Blaine just popped out whenever he felt like it whereas Criss is just a big pompous douche claiming he has magic powers. The powers of televisual charaderie perhaps.


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Re: For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: JunkFood]
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JunkFood said:
Who did they hire to carry out the fake execution? Criss Angel?


Well, he did have dozens of body doubles to prevent himself from being captured. But I don't think they would've gone to the gallows for him when they knew his regime was going to fall.


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Re: For the Record, I don't think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: Silversoul]
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I would have capped his ass a long time ago. The US is full of shit for not ending the BS earlier because of greed and economicalities.

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Re: For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: AlCapwn]
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i like criss angel he's done some neat tricks. I like his show. miiiiiiindddfreeeeakkkkkkk It would be much more impressive to see him in person however. If i saw him in person walk up the side of a building or have a car smash him into a wall going 35 miles per hour it would blow my mind. I like david blaine too. I think at one time he was dating fionaa apple, she's pretty cool. Sadams dead you can download the video on google, unless that's part of the conspirarcy. so is elvis.


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"Born with insight and a raised fist...Action must be taken. We don't need the key we'll break in. rip the stage, rip the system I was born to rage against 'em. What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy? I've got no patience now so sick of complacence now. know your enemy! Those who died are justified. we gotta take the power back! Some speak the sounds but speak in silent voices. transmissions bring submission. For Jesus blessed me with its future and I protect it with fire for it's the end of history. Sleep now in the fire! There's a right to obey and there's a right to kill. The jury's sleepless we found your weakness and it's right outside our door. Now testify." R.A.T.M

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Re: For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: ZippoZ] * 1
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He's dead.

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Re: For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: ZippoZ]
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I really don't see what the point of keeping him alive would be. Give me one good reason why his life is of any value to any conspirator. He did his job of being a good puppet. The strings have been cut and the benefits reaped.

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Re: For the Record, I dont think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: DNKYD]
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Well I guess he could be chillin with 2pac and Elvis...?

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Re: For the Record, I don't think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: Snypa187]
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He was just a tool any ways. He worked for our CIA. Saddam was a disposable asset for the US. Who cares if he is alive or dead, he did his job and can't do shit either way.

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Re: For the Record, I don't think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: Rahie]
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worked for the cia?
that sounds a little far fetched man, anything to back that up with?


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Re: For the Record, I don't think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: mikeytro]
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How the CIA found and groomed Saddam Hussein



International Politics Indo-Asian News Service
April 16, 2003

WASHINGTON: US forces may now be searching high and low for Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein but in the past he was seen by US intelligence as a bulwark of anti-communism, reports UPI.

American intelligence operatives used him as their instrument for more than 40 years, according to former US intelligence officials and diplomats.

UPI interviewed almost a dozen former US diplomats, British scholars and former US intelligence officials to piece together the following account. The CIA declined to comment.

While many have thought that Saddam Hussein became involved with US intelligence agencies from the 1980 Iran-Iraq war, his first contacts date back to 1959 when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with assassinating then Iraqi prime minister General Abd al-Karim Qasim.

In July 1958, Qasim had overthrown the Iraqi monarchy. According to US officials, Iraq was then regarded as a key buffer and strategic asset in the Cold War with the Soviet Union...

For example, in the mid-1950s, Iraq was quick to join the anti-Soviet Baghdad Pact which was to defend the region and whose members included Turkey, Britain, Iran and Pakistan.

Little attention was paid to Qasim's bloody and conspiratorial regime until his sudden decision to withdraw from the pact in 1959.

Washington watched in marked dismay as Qasim began to buy arms from the Soviet Union and put his own domestic communists into ministry positions of real power.

In the mid-1980s, Miles Copeland, a veteran CIA operative, said the CIA enjoyed "close ties" with Qasim's ruling Baath Party.

In a recent public statement, Roger Morris, a former National Security Council staffer in the 1970s, confirmed this, saying the CIA chose the authoritarian and anti-communist Baath Party as its instrument.

According to another former senior State Department official, Saddam Hussein, while only in his early 20s, became a part of a US plot to get rid of Qasim.

According to this source, Saddam Hussein was installed in an apartment in Baghdad on al-Rashid Street directly opposite Qasim's office in Iraq's ministry of defence to observe Qasim's movements.

Adel Darwish, a Middle East expert and author of "Unholy Babylon," said the move was done "with full knowledge of CIA" and that Saddam Hussein's CIA handler was an Iraqi dentist working for CIA and Egyptian intelligence.

The assassination was set for October 7, 1959, but it was completely botched. One former CIA official said the 22-year-old Saddam lost his nerve and fired too soon, killing Qasim's driver and only wounding Qasim in the shoulder and arm.

Qasim, hiding on the floor of his car, escaped death, and Saddam Hussein, whose calf had been grazed by a fellow would-be assassin, escaped to Tikrit, thanks to CIA and Egyptian intelligence agents.

He then crossed into Syria and was transferred by Egyptian intelligence agents to Beirut.

While in Beirut, the CIA paid for Saddam Hussein's apartment and put him through a brief training course. The agency then helped him get to Cairo.

During this time Saddam made frequent visits to the American Embassy where CIA specialists such as Miles Copeland and CIA station chief Jim Eichelberger were in residence and knew him.

In February 1963, Qasim was killed in a Baath Party coup. Morris claimed that the CIA was behind the coup, which was sanctioned by President John F. Kennedy.

The CIA quickly moved into action. Noting that the Baath Party was hunting down Iraqi communists, the CIA provided the submachine gun-toting Iraqi National Guardsmen with lists of suspected communists who were then jailed, interrogated, and summarily gunned down, according to former US intelligence officials with intimate knowledge of the executions.

Many suspected communists were killed outright, these sources said. Darwish told UPI that the mass killings, presided over by Saddam Hussein, took place at Qasr al-Nehayat, literally, the Palace of the End.

Saddam Hussein became head of the Baath Party's intelligence apparatus.

The CIA/Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) relation with Saddam Hussein intensified after the start of the Iran-Iraq war in September 1980. During the war, the CIA regularly sent a team to Saddam Hussein to deliver battlefield intelligence to aid the effectiveness of the Iraqi armed forces.

A former CIA official said that Saddam Hussein had assigned a top team of three senior officers from Iraq's military intelligence to meet the Americans.

According to Darwish, the CIA and DIA provided military assistance to Saddam Hussein's ferocious 1988 assault on Iranian positions in the al-Fao peninsula by blinding Iranian radars for three days.

The Saddam Hussein-US intelligence alliance of convenience came to an end on August 2, 1990 when 100,000 Iraqi troops invaded Kuwait. America's one-time ally had become its bitterest enemy.

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Re: For the Record, I don't think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: Rahie]
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wow think this people ... seriously think of it a little


A country leader pisses the big shots of the U.S.A.. ok? now U.S.A sets up a mission for the asassination of that leader. After the Asassination U.S puts a native puppet in charge of that country. Letting the new found leader puppet do as he pleases as long as he obays the U.S bigwigs orders. Now with no other nation knowing this they see that new leader as whatever he chooses to be. That's now a country in U.S secret control doing what it pleases, and carrying out whatever dirty deeds the U.S. asks of it. When finally other nations have had enough of that country. U.S intervenes saying they declare war on them. Just to knock off the leader and put in charge a new puppet all over again.


Think about it....... that is so very possible.
wow my mind is going like at 200 mph right now and I'm stationary in a chair in front of the pc


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Re: For the Record, I don't think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: Bigrichshrooms]
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yeah, that was incredibly deep

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Re: For the Record, I don't think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: mikeytro]
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mikeytro said:
worked for the cia?
that sounds a little far fetched man, anything to back that up with?


It's not at all far fetched and it's not really in dispute either.


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Re: For the Record, I don't think that we Actually Killed Saddam [Re: mikeytro]
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mikeytro said:
worked for the cia?
that sounds a little far fetched man, anything to back that up with?


Osama Bin Laden has been one of the most valuable CIA trained ops our government has ever had. How is it far-fetched that Saddam had involvement with the CIA?

Regardless, there is no logical reason to keep him alive. He did his job but then became a liability for the organization.

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