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Mental retardation
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Can someone with mental retardation (such as Down's Syndrome) experience satori, or higher meditative states?

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Re: Mental retardation [Re: Epigallo]
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why don't you ask them?


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Re: Mental retardation [Re: Epigallo]
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here check this out http://www.manojkhatri.com/articles/index.php/enabling-the-disabled


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Re: Mental retardation [Re: elbisivni]
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yeah I read the article and it makes sense that meditation can be helpful for self discipline, but I'm wondering if they can actually experience a sense of clarity or higher consciousness.

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Re: Mental retardation [Re: Syle]
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Syle said:
why don't you ask them?


I don't know any mentally handicapped meditators

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Re: Mental retardation [Re: Epigallo]
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yeah, that's the best I can do.  the topic was brought up some time ago but consisted only of speculation and it didn't get very far as they could only speculate so much. :shrug:


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Re: Mental retardation [Re: Epigallo]
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bradleycny said:
yeah I read the article and it makes sense that meditation can be helpful for self discipline, but I'm wondering if they can actually experience a sense of clarity or higher consciousness.


Obviously this is nothing more than my own speculation, but I would almost say that they could experience the clarity and higher consciousness easier than a "non-afflicted" mind could. The ones who are free from anxiety of social norms, and all kinds of other stressors we all learn to deal with... I'd say they could. I'd want to imagine it being like a house cat. I'd say they probably have pretty clear minds. Although, this gets into the pre/trans fallacy stuff, too.

I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud.


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Re: Mental retardation [Re: jonathanseagull]
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I don't think housecats, or animals in general experience a higher level of consciousness. I think we basically contain that mind within us, since we evolved from animals, and the human brain grew out of the animal brain.

I think the mentally challenged (I would like to use a shorter label but somehow "retard" seems inappropriate :frown:) have more stress, at least socially...how hard must it be to build self esteem?

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Re: Mental retardation [Re: Epigallo]
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I would have assumed that they weren't concerned with self-esteem, because they aren't caught up in the self-games so deeply as the rest of us. Again, speculation. I don't know that this conversation can go much further, much like elbisivni said.


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Re: Mental retardation [Re: Epigallo]
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I think, last time, we ended somewhere near the perspective of 'happiness'.
And there for me it is clear, that 'retarded' ones may even achieve happiness much easier as, for example the intellectual thinker, who more often tends to depression or emotional instability.
But also this, is speculative.


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Re: Mental retardation [Re: BlueCoyote]
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yea well if the funcioning isnt there, theres basically a fatalism

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Re: Mental retardation [Re: SheerTerror]
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but happiness would be alot harder for a semi-retarded person, i know people with mild down-syndrome and all types of problems, annerisms, brain tumors, every job ive worked at theres always been a couple or a few people that it was very obvious to tell there was something wrong there. most become sickly and have a bunch of overlaping disorders and depression, some are douche-bags, ass-holes, child molesters, ect they really become sickly, demented and unhappy, unless you are talking about someone with a walnut for a brain then maybe they could become happy with video games, but for the most part ppl with mild retardation are miserable because they cant reach the state of all the other people around them

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Re: Mental retardation [Re: SheerTerror]
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most become sickly and have a bunch of overlaping disorders and depression, some are douche-bags, ass-holes, child molesters, ect they really become sickly, demented and unhappy,


Really? A considerable part of normal people do the same. Hmmm I wonder how and why... :strokebeard:

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unless you are talking about someone with a walnut for a brain then maybe they could become happy with video games,


My my, just like most "normal" humans do.

Now leaving any sarcasm aside, you really can't tell... none can tell at least till this moment if a handicapped person can have mystical or spiritual experiences. Nobody could measure awareness until now.
My wildest guess is that people with handicap could/can (a part of them) have spiritual experiences, as well as "normal" people can act like total retards.


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Re: Mental retardation [Re: MushroomTrip]
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well they do have a deficiency so technically there conciousness is on a lower level, i really dont see zen in arms reach for them. ive worked all kinds of crappy jobs KFC for 3 years (met atleast 25 retards), deli's, general labor warehouses there usually unhappy people cause there not able to operate at a normal level, they cant get laid, they cant get friends, ect

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Re: Mental retardation [Re: Epigallo]
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bradleycny said:
Can someone with mental retardation (such as Down's Syndrome) experience satori, or higher meditative states?



A kō•an (公案; Korean: gong'an, Japanese: kōan, Chinese: gōng-àn) is a story, dialogue, question, or statement in the history and lore of Chán (Zen) Buddhism, generally containing aspects that are inaccessible to rational understanding, yet that may be accessible to intuition. A famous kōan is, "Two hands clap and there is a sound; what is the sound of one hand?" (oral tradition, attributed to Hakuin Ekaku, 1686-1769, considered a reviver of the kōan tradition in Japan).



Examples
A monk asked Zhàozhōu, "Does a dog have Buddha nature or not?" Zhaozhou said, "Wú".

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