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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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I am the uproar.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: backfromthedead]
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Dude the proof IS the bible. Once you truly believe that Jesus of Nazareth IS GOD & read the OLD testament with that in mind. Jesus said he was the first & last. God in the old testament said the same thing. We HAVE to have faith that Jesus is God, or we don't believe in God and won't be saved. Believing that Jesus is God erases our sins, not believing condemns us to the coming Apocalypse in which the unbelievers are punished for their unbelief in the true God.

I am still getting revelations on this so I don't want to say too much with partial knowledge.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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read that part in deuteronomy about how a bastard to the tenth generation shall not enter the assembly of the lord.

i believe it is in the 20:'s.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: SneezingPenis]
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If we are created in gods image then I am god just as much as Jesus was.

Is that too hard for Christians to understand? Come on now...


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"Truth is more in the process than in the result."
- J. Krishnamurti




"We ourselves are not an illusory part of Reality; rather are we Reality itself illusorily conceived." Wei Wu Wei

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: hot48yearolds]
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Are you without fault? God is perfect. None of us qualify to be God.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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You're killing me.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
Are you without fault? God is perfect. None of us qualify to be God.


God is infinite. We are finite manifestations of that perfection, and thus embody an incomplete degree of that perfection.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: hot48yearolds]
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hot48yearolds said:
If we are created in gods image then I am god just as much as Jesus was.

Is that too hard for Christians to understand? Come on now...


Christ actually told people that they were all GODs. If he didn't he should of.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: backfromthedead]
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have


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: backfromthedead]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV8LpUEdpBI

(sorry, just letting out some frustration with fundamentalism & evangelism)

Edited by aryah (03/31/07 09:02 AM)

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Demotriton said:
Are you without fault? God is perfect. None of us qualify to be God.


God is infinite.  We are finite manifestations of that perfection, and thus embody an incomplete degree of that perfection.


Being Zen Buddhist in my beliefs, I believe that
Everything is perfect as it is.

You and I are not single people, we are processes or events intertwined with an infinite number of other processes.

You would not exist without anything else existing. Everything is you and you are everything. You are perfect, I promise. :sun:


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"Truth is more in the process than in the result."
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"We ourselves are not an illusory part of Reality; rather are we Reality itself illusorily conceived." Wei Wu Wei

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: hot48yearolds]
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Jesus did say we are all Gods, but are faults separate us from God. To be reunited with him we must be made perfect. Jesus took our faults upon himself and took the punishment for them. Do you believe this?
We cannot be reunited with God without admitting our faults (repentence) and putting our trust in Jesus.
We are so far from perfection we could never choose nor desire heaven in the state we are now. Jesus loves us all very much and wants a loving relationship with each of us. He wants to show us the way. We must have faith in him, and believe what he is telling us is true. Otherwise we will not have life.

Jesus is the way. Seek Jesus. Trust Jesus. I can speak from personal experience that I have found Jesus, know Jesus, and that the bible is indeed the word of God.

You all of course are free to believe whatever you want. I don't want to agrue. I just want to present what I believe with all my heart is true.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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What is the truth??


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: backfromthedead]
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Tell you what... When I burst into the SUNSHINE I was far from perfect. Wish I would have dropped the beans out the basket on the way, but since I planted the 'right' seed and grew the tree out full, I only withered some.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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I can speak from personal experience that I have found Jesus, know Jesus


Oh, I'm glad you found 'yourself' and say you found Jesus.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

Edited by Cracka_X (04/02/07 12:41 AM)

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Cracka_X]
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There is no way someone can be saved with so little faith.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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there is no way one may see truth unless they remove the obstructions hiding it.

For the world to be seen as it is "truly" is to see it without bias.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Your truth is missing the entire other half. Some experience GOD before having a belief or faith. This is what starts the process.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: backfromthedead]
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Faith is an ongoing process. I had many miraculous experiences in my life which gave me faith, but I forgot about it over time because I did not practice my faith, remind myself of who God really is and what he has done.

You also must be careful for misleading spirits. That is why the bible which is the word of God is so essential in discerning what is from God and what is not.

I see so many souls victim to Satan on here, God really does want to save each and every one of you. Please come to Jesus, get to know him he WILL forgive you.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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I accept your way, why don't you accept mine? To each his own? Why must you provoke your faith upon my beliefs and try to discredit what works for me? Do you truly believe you know what works best for me? What if I were to give in to your faith, follow the bible and end up miserable? And I really tried to give my all to "Christ" and whilst I felt that Christ was the way under fear and pressure of peers, my heart was with a different way.

You don't know me. I was raised Jewish and after my barmitzvah never went to temple again. I go for certain holidays and might go tomorrow/today for passover but it's just out of respect to the religion and not my faith. I don't understand Yahweh's way. And while Christ is very lax compared to Yahweh, I don't understand how God could all of a sudden just send his son to Earth and say follow my son for he is I on Earth. I don't understand how God apparently is rectifying a "mistake" he made with the Old Testament and needed to send Jesus to begin the New Testament. This is extremely trivial.

You could quote the bible all day but you're not going to remove me from what I know and understand and that's nature. Your Christian God is not benevolent to my nature and therefore NOT MY GOD.

As Diploid quoted earlier...
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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
-Galileo Galilei



If you are right then I will burn in hell. There's gotta be someone flipping burgers and delivering pizzas and there's gotta be someone burning in hell. If I fulfill that balance then so be it.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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