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 Larrythescaryrex
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 Our right to revolution 
#666441 - 06/06/02 05:28 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I seem to recall from my history class in high school that the constition, bill of rights, or maybe the declaration of independance says something to the effect of that the government is meant to be for the good of the people ect. and if it ever becomes corrupt, we have a right to end it and install a new government. Does anyone know what I am talking about? Is this the founding fathers give us post mortem permission to instigate violent and bloody revolution?
larry
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dude, take your lefist propaganda someplace else, before the government shuts down the website on treason charges!
Just joking, however if you did a revolution, what would you change?
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Larrythescaryrex
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Re: Our right to revolution [Re: nugsarenice]
#666641 - 06/06/02 07:39 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am certainly not trying to incite chaos or anything...
It is hard to say how I would change things. I think I would instate a policy of severe isolationism and call it the monroe doctorine  .
what you you change?
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invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
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relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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If the founding fathers were alive today they would either be leading a revolution against our government, or clawing at the inside of their coffins, I'm not sure which... But they definatly believed that revolutionary means are moral to overthrow a tyranical regime, such as the king of England. Most of the coplaints against England are valid today against our own government. we do have the right to destroy our current government and install a new one. I believe this is a God given right to live free. The problem is that Americans are fat, lazy, and contented enough. With beer and baseball games no one cares about the erosion of our rights because they're too comfortable. If you want a real revoution you need extreme and widespread dissatisfaction with our regime and leaders. That condition does not exist in America today even though oppression and tyranny do.
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 Re: Our right to revolution [Re: Ellis Dee]
#666649 - 06/06/02 07:43 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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RE: "If the founding fathers were alive today they would either be leading a revolution against our government, or clawing at the inside of their coffins, I'm not sure which..."
I feels the same way.. it's really strange that we agree here... but we do. 
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Re: Our right to revolution [Re: Ellis Dee]
#666681 - 06/06/02 08:01 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes... I agree
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"...what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure."
- Thomas Jefferson
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The revolution will not be televised.
Okay, that's getting old. As far as revolutions go, I wonder how much of a difference we could make if we just became more consciensious and more demanding consumers.
I don't want another dollar of mine to go towards the big businesses that run the show and don't care about anything but money. I'd just love for enough people to say "enough" and for their money flow to dry up. We could make it clear that our almighty dollar was going toward the business that has proven itself to be worthy of it--something we'd have to clarify, sort of a declaration--or otherwise outright boycott things that just have to go.
Works great in theory, but in reality...Kind of a pipe dream, but what idea of revolution isn't at this point?
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We have the right to approach the govenment with a list of complaints and greivances.
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Re: Our right to revolution [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#666992 - 06/07/02 06:00 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry Doob, but I doubt a list of Grievances is going to do much, besides give them a good laugh. In my opinion it is past the point of letter writing and petitions...we seriously need to take to the streets and protest, and if a revolution is what it will take...so be it.
It's not a matter of Democrat or Republican, those are just different names attached to the same corrupt system...are you aware that 2.3 TRILLION U.S. dollars went "missing" last year alone from Government coffers...the annual U.S. defense budget is only approx 380 Billion. 2.3 Trillion "missing"???...what the fuck? I can pretty much guarantee that money didn't go to those who needed it. I could go on for hours about the insanely corrupt goverment of not only the U.S. but Isreal, Britain,and yes...Canada. And I will post all my recent information soon...with references for the doubters.
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Re: Our right to revolution [Re: Rono]
#666994 - 06/07/02 06:04 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was answering Larry's question.
Petitions and letter-writing will be far more effective than standing in the street with a picket sign.
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Re: Our right to revolution [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#667033 - 06/07/02 06:29 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think I'm somewhere in between. We can't expect our government to make major changes based on a bunch of signatures, but if those signatures are backed by action--whether its a march or a boycott or other, then they may feel inclined.
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If "we" led a revolution, and changed the shit that "we" wanted to change, guess who would be leading the next revolution? All those people who got shafted because of us and what we believed was important.
There needs to be more of a standard set of problems that effects the whole population in a way that they recognize... but someone already said that, didn't they.
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 Re: Our right to revolution [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#667947 - 06/07/02 06:22 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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RE: "Petitions and letter-writing will be far more effective than standing in the street with a picket sign"
Im not sure if I agree or not here... I spent years encouraging my friends to write Congress about legalizing weed.... most are not even regestered voters.... However if I suggest going to (for ex:) The Hash Bash in Ann Arbor Michigan many times they will be more than happy to get involved.... (too bad that they all dont vote!)
PLEASE VOTE!!!
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 Re: Our right to revolution [Re: Jammer]
#668066 - 06/07/02 08:51 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Im not sure if I agree or not here... I spent years encouraging my friends to write Congress about legalizing weed.... most are not even regestered voters.... However if I suggest going to (for ex:) The Hash Bash in Ann Arbor Michigan many times they will be more than happy to get involved.... (too bad that they all dont vote!)
Who would they vote for, maybe Dubya? Or maybe Gore? Or maybe Woody Harrolson? There aren't really many anti-prohibition candidates. I vote in every general election and I try to make it to primaries and the only choice there ever would really be for pro-pot legalization would be the green party, and they're a bunch of red commies.
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Re: Our right to revolution [Re: Ellis Dee]
#668188 - 06/08/02 12:50 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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"red commies" , I think you went to far with that, if anyone remembers history, the red communists were proponets of violence, however the green party has a "strict" non violence platform, so everyone can continue spreading dogmatic communist propaganda at the green party, but red communist will not stand a chance.
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Re: Our right to revolution [Re: nugsarenice]
#669283 - 06/08/02 07:52 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nugsarenice wrote:
the green party has a "strict" non violence platform
There are quite a number of things that the greens say should be provided for free or subsidized. Where will the funds for this come from? Who will pay? What will happen if someone refuses to pay?
The greens do not understand the nature of government (the state) and lie to themselves and others when they state that their platform advocates non-violence. If you advocate that the state forces somebody to pay for something, or that the state forces somebody to do something, or that the state should stop somebody from engaging in non-violent behavior this is NOT a non-violence platform.
Understand this: whenever you ask the state to do something, you are asking for money to be taken from some people to pay for it or forcing some people to perform those actions. If people refuse, men with guns will come and attempt to force them to obey, if they don't obey and resist, if resistance is taken to it's ultimate conclusion the agents of the state will kill them. This is the nature of the state.
Ask yourself this. When the green party is in power, what will they do if citizens refuse to go along with their wishes. Will they attempt to use persuasion? If people still refuse after attempts at persuasion, then what? Will they send law enforcement personnel to force cooperation? If a citizen refuses, will they walk away or will they use the force of the State to implement their desires?
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
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Re: Our right to revolution [Re: Jammer]
#673892 - 06/11/02 08:05 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because your friends go to a pot rally and are too lazy to write letters does not make a pot rally more effective than letters.
Protests are totally ignored by the mainstream media and by the representitives of government. Learn that, at least, from the '60's when at least the media paid attention.
Boycotts on the other hand is a really really good idea but it takes sacrifice.
I don't think the masses are nearly pissed enough to make sacrifices.
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RE: "Protests are totally ignored by the mainstream media.."
The "media" does report when a protest gets big enough... ('problem is that THEY ALWAYS SHOW THE DUMBEST AMOUNG US!)
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