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OfflineTrippingBillies
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Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...?
    #654696 - 05/31/02 02:19 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys. I've read everything possible and would still like to get some live opinions on whether a bottom layer of casing should be applied. I've been using 3 cakes ontop of a bottom layer and wish to possibly increase flushing potential by discontinuing the bottom casing layer and adding an additional 3 cakes to my standard casing procedure. Any thoughts good people?



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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: TrippingBillies]
    #655435 - 05/31/02 10:58 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Just use a thin bottom layer of wet vermiculite then case the top as desired.


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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: TrippingBillies]
    #655534 - 05/31/02 11:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You should be fine without a bottom casing layer. Either way works fine though. I just hate the thought of having a casing layer on the bottom cause you wont be able to see if it gets contaminated.


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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: bassplayer74]
    #656000 - 05/31/02 03:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: bassplayer74]
    #656188 - 05/31/02 05:48 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I totatly Agree with that... The bottom layer is not essential...

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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: bassplayer74]
    #866351 - 09/06/02 01:32 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Greetings! bassplayer74 and several others have said something to this effect, about using a bottom casing layer:

> I just hate the thought of having a casing layer on the bottom cause you wont be > able to see if it gets contaminated.

I don't understand how avoiding the use of a bottom casing layer would prevent contamination, since water would collect at the bottom of the crumbled cakes nonetheless. Conversely, I don't understand how using a bottom casing layer of dry verm would prevent contams by absorbing excess moisture, since bacteria could then grow in the water in the verm. These two views seem contradictory to me. Can anyone clarify?

Also, I keep reading that the disadvantage of a bottom casing layer is that you can't see the bottom layer and thus you could have invisible contams. But couldn't the same be said about crumbled cakes (if a bottom casing layer is not used)? i.e. wouldn't water collect anyway, and you would be unable to see the bottom of the crumbled cakes? How does using just crumbled cakes make things more visible? The contamination risk seems about equal either way, but I keep reading that it's a higher risk if a bottom casing layer is used.

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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: megaman3]
    #866363 - 09/06/02 02:24 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I don`t see the value of it personally, just seems to take up space inmo.
The reason it gets used is to primarily wick up excess water.
So the reason it would be susceptable to contamination is because it is uncolonised material.
The reason colonised substrate will be acle to deal with the eccess water is naturally because it`s more tolerant to contamination.


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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #866449 - 09/06/02 05:25 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

It would seem the bottom casing layer is more or less a newbie safe net. If you get your top casing layer too wet, the water will fall down into the bottom most casing layer. This is good for one reason. If your cakes are submerged in water, they will drown and die. So I would assume if you have good confidence in your casing tek, and you've done it before. Skip the bottom casing layer. That just makes logical sense to me, I could be in fact very far off in what I'm saying. Take it for what its worth to you. If your new to casing, Sea of Shrooms TEK has yeilded most highly. Its a process of using less cake to get more flush. Instead of overloading one casing with extra cake. It just seems wasteful. In my opinion splitting the cakes to make 2 casings from 1 cake yeilds as much as using two complete cakes for 1 casing. Thats something to think about.

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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: freshjive]
    #866463 - 09/06/02 05:50 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

>> casings from 1 cake yeilds as much as using two complete cakes for 1 casing

to me this would work, but wouldnt it take longer for the cake to colonize the upper layer splitting it in two rather than using more spawn?



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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: goatywoaty]
    #866472 - 09/06/02 05:53 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Yes in fact it does take a little longer, but what are you in this for speed, or yield. That question is answered by personal preference. I enjoy high yields even if it takes an extra week.

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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: freshjive]
    #866519 - 09/06/02 06:46 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

so you say that a bottom layer would have higher contamination risk because it's uncolonized substrate. But what about a plain dry vermiculite bottom layer? Since it has no nutritional value, I would think that the only way it could get contaminated would be if the water becomes contaminated with bacteria, rather than some mold eating the bottom layer (since it's verm). But if that's the case (no pun intended hehe) then I would think that using a dry bottom layer of verm would have the same risk of contamination as not using one at all. Well anyway I just won't use a bottom layer for my first attempt. Fuck I hate ambiguity :-)


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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: megaman3]
    #866541 - 09/06/02 07:02 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Hello,

Why not just take your crumpled cakes and mix it into your material - Coco, Horse poo, Straw etc...  Then you would eliminate this issue completely.  Let it colonize -completely case - cold shock - wait... Enjoy!!!

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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: eternal]
    #866626 - 09/06/02 07:59 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

put a 1/4" layer of peralite that you have pasturized or sterilized as a bottom layer.....this should wick away any over watering.


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Re: Casing...bottom layer...or not to bottom layer...? [Re: freshjive]
    #866846 - 09/06/02 09:53 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

>>>>>Yes in fact it does take a little longer, but what are you in this for speed, or yield. That question is answered by personal preference. I enjoy high yields even if it takes an extra week.


heh i was just speculating, personally i would go for yeild. i am still waiting @ my first succesfull attemt to fruit (uhm, to fruit strawberries and stuff)


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