AlteredAgain said:

embrace paradox

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They do look huggable, don't they! 

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I see both forums as being centered around spirituality and the exploration of thoughts. The critical distinction is that P&S is focused on open discussion, and, with that, requires that posts be expressed in a manner that facillitates productive, open discussion. I personally see MRP as being a forum in which one can express one's thoughts and perspective in a manner that does not need to conform to the requirements of open discussion. Posts could be more artistic, perhaps even stories with metaphors, plays on words, simply expression itself without any limitation.

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I knew there was a good reason why you are a mod...

Seuss said:

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I see both forums as being centered around spirituality and the exploration of thoughts. The critical distinction is that P&S is focused on open discussion, and, with that, requires that posts be expressed in a manner that facillitates productive, open discussion. I personally see MRP as being a forum in which one can express one's thoughts and perspective in a manner that does not need to conform to the requirements of open discussion. Posts could be more artistic, perhaps even stories with metaphors, plays on words, simply expression itself without any limitation.

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I knew there was a good reason why you are a mod...

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Woah, FWG, are implying that productive open discussion doesn't take place in MR&P. Silver just said thanks to people for giving him new things to thank about regarding something he is personally interested in of a mystical nature. People are thanking each other for sharing things in their through discussion and posts all of the time.

Of course nothing will be produced for anyone with ZERO interest in mysticism, the paranormal or religion. They shouldn't read there then either if they have no interest in any of it.

One of many reasons for the split, was to remove those subject matters from S&P, because the regulars with zero interest in them saw posts pertaining to interests in the mystical, paranormal or religion as unproductive clutter.

Another reason is that, personal beliefs derived from a subjective experience and therefore subjective evidence, have no objective evidence with which to be used in a debate. People who just wanted to share a discovery from a personal experience, and maybe were looking for others who may have discovered the same thing in their personal journeys, were being asked to PROVE IT. WTF?

For some reason, it wasn't obvious to members, which posts were put up for debate, and which were put up for the sharing of beliefs, ideas and experiences or articles and web sites of interest they found. For some reason, it wasn't obvious to some, that not everyone with an interest in discussing Philosophy and Spirituality, wants to debate it or argue over rights and wrongs about it either.

Another reason is that some people decided for everyone who walked in the door there, that they should be in "spiritual training" by their school yard rules, and become insensitive to feelings. So they took it upon themselves to smash people in the head until they grew numb to it or left crying, or just left going "WTF is that guys problem? "

It was sort of sick to watch.

Just wanted to add to what you said FWG, and clear up that even if you think nothing productive has taken place for posters of MRP, it doesn't mean it hasn't for them.

gettinjiggywithit said:

Woah, FWG, are implying that productive open discussion doesn't take place in MR&P. Silver just said thanks to people for giving him new things to thank about regarding something he is personally interested in of a mystical nature. People are thanking each other for sharing things in their through discussion and posts all of the time.

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Of course nothing will be produced for anyone with ZERO interest in mysticism, the paranormal or religion. They shouldn't read there then either if they have no interest in any of it.

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One of many reasons for the split, was to remove those subject matters from S&P, because the regulars with zero interest in them saw posts pertaining to interests in the mystical, paranormal or religion as unproductive clutter.

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Another reason is that, personal beliefs derived from a subjective experience and therefore subjective evidence, have no objective evidence with which to be used in a debate. People who just wanted to share a discovery from a personal experience, and maybe were looking for others who may have discovered the same thing in their personal journeys, were being asked to PROVE IT. WTF?

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Precisely. Different manners and avenues for discussion, hence two different forums. Nothing wrong with either forum, or either manner of discussion. Different purposes and intent, different forum rules as a result. We're not covering anything new, surprising, or neglected here.

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For some reason, it wasn't obvious to members, which posts were put up for debate, and which were put up for the sharing of beliefs, ideas and experiences or articles and web sites of interest they found. For some reason, it wasn't obvious to some, that not everyone with an interest in discussing Philosophy and Spirituality, wants to debate it or argue over rights and wrongs about it either.

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Another reason is that some people decided for everyone who walked in the door there, that they should be in "spiritual training" by their school yard rules, and become insensitive to feelings. So they took it upon themselves to smash people in the head until they grew numb to it or left crying, or just left going "WTF is that guys problem?

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That's your interpretation. Clearly, in a general sense, there were two different approaches to proposing ideas and two different concepts on how these ideas should be exchanged and discussed. The staff and the community made the decision to facillitate this by creating two different forums, one for each purpose. My entire point was that one forum seems to be a bit misunderstood. Perhaps you aren't replying to me but to the creator of this thread?

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Just wanted to add to what you said FWG, and clear up that even if you think nothing productive has taken place for posters of MRP, it doesn't mean it hasn't for them.

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Why would you assume that I think that? Did you read one of my phrases out of context and jump to conclusions? It certainly seems that way.

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That's your interpretation.

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Why would you assume that I think that? Did you read one of my phrases out of context and jump to conclusions? It certainly seems that way.

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The critical distinction is that P&S is focused on open discussion, and, with that, requires that posts be expressed in a manner that facilitates productive, open discussion.

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Critical distinctions are things that set themselves a part from others. If one has something, that means the other doesn't.

Maybe you did not mean to word it that way, and you did clarify yourself to say you didn't so this is cleared up now. 

The rest was just my adding reasons for the split and had nothing to do with your reply and reasons. 

Veritas said:

Discussion in the MR&P forum may be productive, but it is NOT open.  Anyone posting there is warned:

Attempting to disprove or discredit an idea will not be tolerated.

That is limited or closed discussion. 

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Yes, to parties that share a mutual interest in Mysticism, OR the paranormal OR Religion, not parties interested in wiping those subjects off the face of the earth.

That part is a true distinction between the two hence the rule you posted.

The part about it not being productive for people using it is what I called FWG on and he cleared it up, so whats your point?

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My point is that the "open" aspect was what Fireworks was referring to in his post, not the "productive" part. 

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The limited open part of MR&P is an obvious distinction between the two as its in black and white in the rules for all to see. Why a need to point out the obvious?

The limited openess is easy to understand.

If you were to create a hobby club, and none of the members had an active interest in the hobby, or even were curious to learn more about it, then it would be unproductive to meet.

If it was full of members who shared a common interest, all bringing their personal experiences with the hobby to the table, and helping others curious to learn more, it would be highly productive for said members.

For all I know, what FWG meant to say was that he wanted to see open debate in P&S lead to something productive instead of flame wars or off topic derailments. 

I didn't know, which is why I asked for clarification and wanted to add some of my own while I was at it.

He is clarifying for himself and doing a very good job of it So why don't you just let him speak for himself?

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Well personally, as a mystic...

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you're a mystic? 
sounds like megalomania to me.