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Lophophora decipiens legality
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A certain European based Cactus site is willing to ship me "Lophophora decipiens". Anyone have any idea on the legality?


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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: Cubeculture]
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Arguably a variation of Diffusa, more like that than williamsii(peyote). Should be okay.


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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality *DELETED* [Re: moho456]
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Post deleted by Brewmaster

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Edited by blinkidiot (12/02/06 08:03 PM)

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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: Brewmaster]
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only williamsii is scheduled.

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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: CptnGarden]
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Thanks for the info and the link.


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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: CptnGarden]
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Thanks for the info and the link.


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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: Cubeculture]
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illegal in california btw


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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: Mitchnast]
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???mitch???

links??

i am aware of only williamsii being illegal in the entire US, and im about to sprout some other loph seeds, any info i should know?

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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: CptnGarden]
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yeah, only that in the state of california, ALL members of the genus lophophora are treated as peyote.

yikes, i thought that was well known around here :P

careful there friend. :smile:

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California law states that "every person who plants, cultivates, harvests, dries, or processes any plant of the genus Lophophora, also known as peyote, or any part thereof shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of not more than one year or the state prison." (Health & Safety Code:Ch.6,Art.3,Sec.11363) This is notable because the wording includes the entire Lophophora genus, not just Lophophora williamsii."

-erowid


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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: Cubeculture]
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hey, is this only for you? cuz im looking for a cactus that looks exactly like peyote, i could care less about alkaloidical content, i just like the look of peyote lol.

ive been lookin for diffusa myself and have only come up with seeds shipping here to the US. id like to get a live plant.


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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: highdroponics]
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Sponsor or not, don't spam a source!

L. decipiens, L. diffusa, L. fricii, L. jourdaniana. They're a shroomery sponsor ;-)


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Edited by blinkidiot (12/02/06 08:03 PM)

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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: Cubeculture]
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While it may not be scheduled in the U.S.A. (which I don´t believe) I wouldn´t rely on that fact to prevent the cops siezing it & holding it long enough for it to die (if they don´t just kill it).
I had thought that all lophophora are banned throughout the U.S.A.

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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: Cubeculture]
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yes but they dont ship to the US.

i need some place that will ship here to the US.


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Dr :ronpaul: says to stop trying to treat the side-effects of big government and focus on the core issues. End the Federal Reserve/audit the gold reserves at Fort Knox, abolish the IRS, end all wars and occupancies, stop the building of an empire that will inevitably fail, and cut all unconstitutional federal programs. Put the power back in the peoples' hands by ending this nanny-state.

Edited by highdroponics (12/02/06 03:36 PM)

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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: highdroponics]
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People sometimes act like they fail to realize that this is a public forum. Not only that, it's a ridiculously popular one. Hell, the garden doesn't even require membership to view (last I checked).

You have sources? Great. You want them to continue to be sources? Then wise up about the way in which you distribute them. It isn't a matter of, "It's not like the government doesn't already know about place x or site y." It's a simple matter of using common sense to avoid a situation where one or two sources becomes the main one publicly discussed for a specific product. For instance, dry cactus matter or root bark. When there is a primary source that is recommended, it's like providing a cross-hair that isn't necessary. In some situations people get unwanted attention. A few examples come to mind...

I'm not advocating source hording. But I also don't advocate source spamming, as blink put it. If someone wants to find a particular product sold on the net, they *will* be able to find it if they try.

And, of course, whether you agree or disagree with the reasons that I feel, there's the obvious fact that it's breaking the rules of the site. Lophophora williamsii seeds are illegal in the US. The same rules which apply for pot seeds or research chemicals apply for these. Even bulk poppy seed sources get removed.


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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: Koala Koolio]
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im not trying to buy this plant for use, i want it for my garden because i like the look of peyote, with all seriousness. all im looking for is the look here, i could care less about alkaloaidacal content or anything of that sort, i just want a kick ass looking garden. if i wanna use mescaline ill stick to other cacti. i would never touch williamsii because of its rareness.

im not particularly looking for williamsii, it can be any type of cactus that looks exactly or almost like williamsii. if anyone can direct me to a company that sells something that i might be looking for that sends to the US it would be very much appriciated.diffusa is the one i like most, for its similarities to williamsii, but it doesnt matter which type as long as it looks almost exactly like it.

i have been searching for ages trying to find something similar to the looks of williamsii, anything, it doesnt matter what genus as long as it grows and looks just like williamsii. ONLY SOMETHING LEGAL WILL I PURCHASE, so keep that in mind.

MAKE SURE TO READ THIS CAREFULLY BEFORE REPLYING


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Dr :ronpaul: says to stop trying to treat the side-effects of big government and focus on the core issues. End the Federal Reserve/audit the gold reserves at Fort Knox, abolish the IRS, end all wars and occupancies, stop the building of an empire that will inevitably fail, and cut all unconstitutional federal programs. Put the power back in the peoples' hands by ending this nanny-state.

Edited by highdroponics (12/02/06 08:58 PM)

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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: highdroponics]
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Some Astrophytum (especially asterias) come pretty close....

http://www.cactus-art.biz/schede/ASTROPHYTUM/photo_gallery_astrophytum.htm


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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: VirgilKane]
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wow, i really like these, if someone has a link message me privately so i can find something like this.


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Dr :ronpaul: says to stop trying to treat the side-effects of big government and focus on the core issues. End the Federal Reserve/audit the gold reserves at Fort Knox, abolish the IRS, end all wars and occupancies, stop the building of an empire that will inevitably fail, and cut all unconstitutional federal programs. Put the power back in the peoples' hands by ending this nanny-state.

Edited by highdroponics (12/02/06 10:15 PM)

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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: highdroponics]
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nevermind BBB seems to have them, can anyone confirm if the cacti they have look exactly what they have in the picture and possibly the size i should expect?

also i have 2 cacti right now which resemble williamsii but have spines that lay on top of the skin.(hardly noticable) this cactus is also much larger than williamsii and is more of a green color...id like to determine what it is exactly. is there a link i could use to determine all species of cacti? i know it will take long to sort out what is and what isnt what i have but im willing to take the time.


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Dr :ronpaul: says to stop trying to treat the side-effects of big government and focus on the core issues. End the Federal Reserve/audit the gold reserves at Fort Knox, abolish the IRS, end all wars and occupancies, stop the building of an empire that will inevitably fail, and cut all unconstitutional federal programs. Put the power back in the peoples' hands by ending this nanny-state.

Edited by highdroponics (12/02/06 10:26 PM)

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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: highdroponics]
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ok nevermind it seems this site has everything i need.


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Dr :ronpaul: says to stop trying to treat the side-effects of big government and focus on the core issues. End the Federal Reserve/audit the gold reserves at Fort Knox, abolish the IRS, end all wars and occupancies, stop the building of an empire that will inevitably fail, and cut all unconstitutional federal programs. Put the power back in the peoples' hands by ending this nanny-state.

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Re: Lophophora decipiens legality [Re: highdroponics]
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You perhaps have gymnocalycium right now?

BBB orders can vary, but they do have a policy with cacti that if you're not satisfied you can return them.

highdroponics, my post really wasn't meant for you. I have no beef with growing williamsii! :smile: I have no beef with importing the seeds either, just about the way sources are treated on the forum. Hell, I wouldn't care if you were growing a patch of peyote for your own personal consumption. If that's what you wanted them for, you damn well would be putting enough effort/heart break into your grow that you deserve your decision.

Legality is a good reason to be careful. But don't avoid williamsii for the reason of rarity! Seeds purchased from europe, for example, are *not* being stolen from the wild. It is legal to grow there, and people sell large amounts of seeds. You'd be doing the species a service, and certainly not harm, by honoring it with your care.


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