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OfflineArohpohpol
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Lophophora jourdaniana: species or hybrid?
    #3145831 - 09/16/04 11:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I can't find any reliable information about Lophophora jourdaniana! Is Lophophora jourdaniana its own species or is it a hybrid? I heard something about it being a hybrid, but I can't find any information about it in the searches I've done.

Any info or links would be appreciated!


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Re: Lophophora jourdaniana: species or hybrid? [Re: Arohpohpol]
    #3146305 - 09/17/04 01:15 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

dont quote me but i think its jsut a locality. many plants and animals are coined after the place they come from usually because they look different but not considerd its own species/sub species. dotn know i fhtat is, cant say as i ever heard of it. but thats what it sounds liek to me.


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Re: Lophophora jourdaniana: species or hybrid? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3146360 - 09/17/04 01:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think it may be a hybrid of Lophophora williamsii and Lophophora fricii. I have three L. jourdaniana and they look a lot like L. williamsii, but with the pink flower of a L. fricii.


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Re: Lophophora jourdaniana: species or hybrid? [Re: Arohpohpol]
    #3146516 - 09/17/04 02:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

interesting. where was it that labelled it that? im kinda curious now myself.


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Re: Lophophora jourdaniana: species or hybrid? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3146583 - 09/17/04 02:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Lophophora jourdaniana are called Lophophora williamsii var. jourdaniana by some people. These same people lable Lophophora fricii as Lophophora williamsii var. fricii. This is incorect because Lophophora fricii is not a variation of Lophophora williamsii, but the breading of two different species to produce a hybrid is possible.

Also I have never seen Lophophora jourdaniana seeds for sale! This could be because you don't know that you successfully crossed a L. williamsii with an L. fricii untill you germinate the seeds and grow them for a while.


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Re: Lophophora jourdaniana: species or hybrid? [Re: Arohpohpol]
    #3147506 - 09/17/04 10:42 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Heres some intresting reading from our good friend MSsmith. He suggests its a hybrid.


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Re: Lophophora jourdaniana: species or hybrid? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #3147520 - 09/17/04 10:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

And in another one he suggests L.W. ceaspitosa might be a mammilaria too... I'm still searching that one.


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Re: Lophophora jourdaniana: species or hybrid? [Re: Arohpohpol]
    #3147571 - 09/17/04 11:03 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

And... for the sake of beauty.. heres an L. W. Decipens.


And to furthur the general education on the subject,He vaguely mentions diffusia is the more primitive of the species....

prehaps the original ancestor of the genus?


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Re: Lophophora jourdaniana: species or hybrid? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #3147669 - 09/17/04 11:46 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the links!!!

I seriously doubt that L.W. caespitose is a hybrid and I would bet my life that it is not a hybrid of mammilaria! Caespitosa look exactly the same as regular williamsii except that they are multiheaded!

Also, the body of your L. williamsii var. Decipiens looks more like a fricii and the flowers look very much like fricii flowers or even jourdaniana! I have never seen a Decipiens that looks like that!!!


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Re: Lophophora jourdaniana: species or hybrid? [Re: Arohpohpol]
    #3148026 - 09/17/04 01:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I dunno man, MSSmith has written some of the best books on cactus taxonomy.

His trichocereus collection is awe-inspiring. Its on the nook if you care... poke around the cactus section, the best on the net.


Yeah, my first thought was jourdania, but what can I say?.. it was labeled Decipiens....


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