Grib_iz_Pitera said:

I'd like to hear replies from at least few of these trusted people. All replys from uarewotueat' friends I read here cannot be taken into account in this dispute.

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

People, believe me, I can distingush a fragile panaeolus from tight and unbreakable psilocybe, I know that specific smell of psilocybes, I'm in doubt about the blue one but I'm ready to confirm under oath those five were libs, I ate them and tripped, Donnerwetter!
If you haven't such a strain in your location that doesn't mean it's not exist.

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

I hope I have a chance to do more quality photos of such mushrooms, instead of that hazy webcam shots. In case you will not recognize they are libs, we're living on different planets and having different logic..

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

Uarewotueat, Being A lib mower doesn't mean being THE lib master..
Moreover, you published a part of my private message, that's a breaking of forum rules and a dirty behaviour at all!

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

All beginners have that stage when they pick wrong panaeolus specimens consider they are psilocybe. Fortunately, I passed this stage a year ago. It's enough to find a real psilocybe once and you'll never mix it with panaeolus or any other genus. Panaeolus genus is well known for me now. Pans have fragile stems and caps, haven't a nipple, haven't the specific psilocybe smell. I repeat again, my mushrooms were tigth, stems could be easily wrapped around a finger, they had specific psilo smell and bruising. And the main thing, I tripped of them.
You can't feel photographed mushrooms by your fingers and can't smell them, you can just believe me or not. But you can see those sharp nipples even on that poor webcam shots. Pans never have such a nipple:

And again, all five mushrooms grew from the single point, from the same mycelium. They can't be "one a lib, other a pan", as some people here consider.

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

Aren't you honor Silverwolf's opinion?

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Feelers said:

Man what is it with you brits and getting into altercations.

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lol, bad habit, yes?

astraalialma said:

Here are some wide open caps (largest ones 3,5 centimeters = 1,37795276 inches), do you think that all of them are semilanceata?
why do they have so open hat and the ones that I have seen seem just to be closing their hats by age and the hat grows much taller bell shape? Maybe I just have not seen old enought specimens.

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yes all your libs are the real deal... even the large specimens.
i cant explain why the largest libs have very wide, flattened caps, but the same is true with the libs i pick.
i found some with wide, flat, wavy caps yesterday. large and small.

these ones are particularly wavy and flat.

knarkkorven said:

In the first post of this thread I can only see one liberty cap. It´s in the last photo.

The ones in the posting above.. hmm, the dark brown stalks are not a good sign. Liberty caps get darker when they are wet but the stem colour stay light light brown, looks a bit transparent. However, the photos are of too low quality for a 100% identification.

And Panaeolus stems are not fragile! You can twist them around your finger and they will not snap.

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concretefeet said:

ok i'm going to stay at somewhat of a distance here because i've seen this drama play out between members many times and i can predict that you two will probably come to a compromise in the end and might even get along once this blows over. for now, it's just a battle of pride muddling some potential good mushroom conversation.

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Wise words. I know I recently let myself be trapped in a micro-version of such a battle with you as well, but your quote above opened my eyes. Thanks

Mitchnast said:

the following are liberty caps



when dry, they would look very much like these

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Mitchnast said:

if they are anything, they are not pans. not with that viscid pellicle when fresh which is quite visable, you see that purple tinge on the fresh ones? that is because the pellicle is translucent, and the spores forming in the gills are purple. 

if they arent semilancaeta, they are at LEAST psilocybes.

just like this "https://files.shroomery.org/files/100602-15/11683-biglib.jpg"

it is how they occur in taller grasses in wetter weather

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go look at my gallery man, im perfectly up to date on the various shapes, sizes and variations of libs.
heres wot i have found over the last month >>>LIBERTY CAPS
i dont know how u can say there is a visible pellicle from those pics, yes im also aware of wot that is.
the first shot they are fresh, nothing visible there.
and in the second shot they are half dried.

i can see your point about how the spores are showing, the rim of the cap even looks slightly purple...
but the point is this: are they libs?

id really like to know wot they are anyway so i hope he gets some good info and spore prints them next time so maybe we can really id them...

it would be nice if they are something active, cos i know for sure that the same mushrooms grow beside the libs where i pick... they have purple gills and are nearly the same colour as libs. some even display a nipple as gribs do. but they never go into my picking bag.

gees even if they turn out to be libs im willing to admit it

uarewotueat said:

your the only one apart from grib who thinks so...

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yeah? but i'm on the list baby, have been for years

lets all be cool, you both made mistakes, i diddnt follow the drama, but i think a round of humble peace pie is in order for the house.

the only thing that i would really question, how adnexed are the gills?

the one major lookalike among psilocybes in the same habitat has partially adnate gills that free up with maturity.  it tends to have a globose cap with a nipple, i will find pics, hang on. (psilocybe semiglobata and it's variations)

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if they arent semilancaeta, they are at LEAST psilocybes.

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