Grib_iz_Pitera said:

uarewotueat, that's fascinating!
I had thought I know fields with good yields.. 

About blue libs, I've found one in August. That was my first lib of the season. The shape looked weird also:

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

P. Semilanceata never have shredded caps as seen on your pics.
Also they have a tight joint between cap and stem that almost never fall to pieces:

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

"Dear customers, don't let to fool you, these are not liberty caps!"

"Only mushrooms from Uarewotueat(R) jars are original Liberty Caps(tm)!"

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

At least 2/3 of those you called 'not libs'

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/pid/515485/

are just mature/old specimens you threw out because you CAN'T ID a mature liberty cap, dumbass.

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and if u think any of those mushrooms in that picture i took are libs, then u are mistaken again.
i used that picture in one of my posts as an example of wot NOT to pick.
thats a pile of mushrooms i found disgarded in a field, obviously someone who didnt know wot they were picking realised that they picked the WRONG mushroom.
shame u cant admit the same.

im sick of u tryin to tell me wot are and are not liberty caps,
u dont have the first clue as is clear from the photos which u have posted.
and im hoping lots of people will post here and make it quite clear to u that u are wrong.

spreading the wrong information about any mushroom is stupid not to mention dangerous.
u shouldnt be identifying liberty caps.


now i invite u all to take a look at my liberty cap photos. LIBERTY CAPS
theres around 100 pics there from the last month, u will see liberty caps in all the funky shapes and sizes available, from immature pins to very large mature specimens.
as im sure u can gather from my gallery i do know wot i am talking about.
and check this thread for more info about my season. Liberty Cap Finds

oh and go drop me a rate if u like my photos,
help counteract the 1 that grib gave me

sorry if this thread bugs u, its been bugging me too...

auweia said:

and take a photo of your shrooms with that pellicel seperated, Grib_iz_Pitera........I'd love to see that

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i'd love to see him get a pellicle separated from those inactive pans too

i think my mushrooms from today are too dry already to demonstrate that with a pic... but i will next time.

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Just an opinionated person who think he knows all about liberty caps all over the world. Meanwhile, he probably never seen a mature lib because he can recognize only young libs, disclaiming matured ones.

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Lib Master

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I'll stick with coon, he makes me laugh.

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ShroomieOfDoomie said: your harassing this guy.

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are just mature/old specimens you threw out because you CAN'T ID a mature liberty cap, dumbass.

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which evdicence shows isnt true!
I can understand you wanting the opinion of the people in that list, they have been around for a long time and have been prooven to know their stuff, but there are plenty of others with valuable input and experience, even if they didnt make the cut.

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:
At least 2/3 of those you called 'not libs'

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/pid/515485/

are just mature/old specimens you threw out because you CAN'T ID a mature liberty cap, dumbass.

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

uarewotueat said:

ya i know wot they are, i pick 1000's every year in the uk...
so which shroom is psilocybe semilanceata in your pics? i cant see it sorry

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Eat'em all, a 1000 per one trip!
It would cure you of excessive self-assurance mister know-all.

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what? you sound like a jerk.

Grib_iz_Pitera said:

monsemann, nice libs! 
Although I'm sure  s o m e b o d y  is impending to prove you these are amanitas 

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that doesnt even make sense

Grib_iz_Pitera said:

Sorry maybe I said too much in warmth..
Although liberty caps have a lot of variations, so if one collected a billion of libs in Englang that doesn't mean they know how do libs look like all over the world. For example, don't you think astraalialma's mushrooms look usual?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6194373/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

As for that "blue lib", later I recognized it's a doubdtful mushroom but uarewotueat decided to drag grimy linen off again, that's the reason I had such a reaction. I apologize to other forum members for the flame.

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ok lemme repeat this part "uarewotueat decided to drag grimy linen off again" .... WHAT?! what are you even trying to imply? your horrible at flaming.

and your a jerk.

leave him alone already.

both of you need to smoke a blunt and chill.

try me ill pwn you again

ShroomieOfDoomie said:

your "blue lib" looks like stropharia aeruginosa grib.

and did you not just call him a dumbass?

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:
At least 2/3 of those you called 'not libs'

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/pid/515485/

are just mature/old specimens you threw out because you CAN'T ID a mature liberty cap, dumbass.

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thats flaming? which is also against the forum rules, but i would consider it more as harassment.

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Man what is it with you brits and getting into altercations.
Im all about conflict resolution - a MEGA Dr Phil fan.

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"if your gonna talk to me you're gonna have to be honest"

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Grib_iz_Pitera you did flame him unnecessarily, you gave him shit about his ID skills when he was actually right and you were way off. That pissed him off and so he was rude to you. Then you were rude back etc etc.

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"Do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy"?

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You take some good photos and you should really be looking into uarewotueats info - he does know his stuff and he can help you out. The libs in russia will look very similar to the libs anywhere else, its a very dependable psilocybe, so arm yourself with some photos and get back out there.

Now - dont you just love the picture above. 

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Feelers said:

so arm yourself with some photos and get back out there.

Now - dont you just love the picture above. 

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I'm going to do this!

And yeah it's a very nice guy on the picture. Looks so happy 

Grib_iz_Pitera said:

I'd like to hear replies from at least few of these trusted people. All replys from uarewotueat' friends I read here cannot be taken into account in this dispute.

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

People, believe me, I can distingush a fragile panaeolus from tight and unbreakable psilocybe, I know that specific smell of psilocybes, I'm in doubt about the blue one but I'm ready to confirm under oath those five were libs, I ate them and tripped, Donnerwetter!
If you haven't such a strain in your location that doesn't mean it's not exist.

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

I hope I have a chance to do more quality photos of such mushrooms, instead of that hazy webcam shots. In case you will not recognize they are libs, we're living on different planets and having different logic..

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

Uarewotueat, Being A lib mower doesn't mean being THE lib master..
Moreover, you published a part of my private message, that's a breaking of forum rules and a dirty behaviour at all!

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

All beginners have that stage when they pick wrong panaeolus specimens consider they are psilocybe. Fortunately, I passed this stage a year ago. It's enough to find a real psilocybe once and you'll never mix it with panaeolus or any other genus. Panaeolus genus is well known for me now. Pans have fragile stems and caps, haven't a nipple, haven't the specific psilocybe smell. I repeat again, my mushrooms were tigth, stems could be easily wrapped around a finger, they had specific psilo smell and bruising. And the main thing, I tripped of them.
You can't feel photographed mushrooms by your fingers and can't smell them, you can just believe me or not. But you can see those sharp nipples even on that poor webcam shots. Pans never have such a nipple:

And again, all five mushrooms grew from the single point, from the same mycelium. They can't be "one a lib, other a pan", as some people here consider.

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Grib_iz_Pitera said:

Aren't you honor Silverwolf's opinion?

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Feelers said:

Man what is it with you brits and getting into altercations.

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lol, bad habit, yes?

astraalialma said:

Here are some wide open caps (largest ones 3,5 centimeters = 1,37795276 inches), do you think that all of them are semilanceata?
why do they have so open hat and the ones that I have seen seem just to be closing their hats by age and the hat grows much taller bell shape? Maybe I just have not seen old enought specimens.

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yes all your libs are the real deal... even the large specimens.
i cant explain why the largest libs have very wide, flattened caps, but the same is true with the libs i pick.
i found some with wide, flat, wavy caps yesterday. large and small.

these ones are particularly wavy and flat.

knarkkorven said:

In the first post of this thread I can only see one liberty cap. It´s in the last photo.

The ones in the posting above.. hmm, the dark brown stalks are not a good sign. Liberty caps get darker when they are wet but the stem colour stay light light brown, looks a bit transparent. However, the photos are of too low quality for a 100% identification.

And Panaeolus stems are not fragile! You can twist them around your finger and they will not snap.

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concretefeet said:

ok i'm going to stay at somewhat of a distance here because i've seen this drama play out between members many times and i can predict that you two will probably come to a compromise in the end and might even get along once this blows over. for now, it's just a battle of pride muddling some potential good mushroom conversation.

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Wise words. I know I recently let myself be trapped in a micro-version of such a battle with you as well, but your quote above opened my eyes. Thanks

Mitchnast said:

the following are liberty caps



when dry, they would look very much like these

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Mitchnast said:

if they are anything, they are not pans. not with that viscid pellicle when fresh which is quite visable, you see that purple tinge on the fresh ones? that is because the pellicle is translucent, and the spores forming in the gills are purple. 

if they arent semilancaeta, they are at LEAST psilocybes.

just like this "https://files.shroomery.org/files/100602-15/11683-biglib.jpg"

it is how they occur in taller grasses in wetter weather

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go look at my gallery man, im perfectly up to date on the various shapes, sizes and variations of libs.
heres wot i have found over the last month >>>LIBERTY CAPS
i dont know how u can say there is a visible pellicle from those pics, yes im also aware of wot that is.
the first shot they are fresh, nothing visible there.
and in the second shot they are half dried.

i can see your point about how the spores are showing, the rim of the cap even looks slightly purple...
but the point is this: are they libs?

id really like to know wot they are anyway so i hope he gets some good info and spore prints them next time so maybe we can really id them...

it would be nice if they are something active, cos i know for sure that the same mushrooms grow beside the libs where i pick... they have purple gills and are nearly the same colour as libs. some even display a nipple as gribs do. but they never go into my picking bag.

gees even if they turn out to be libs im willing to admit it

uarewotueat said:

your the only one apart from grib who thinks so...

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yeah? but i'm on the list baby, have been for years

lets all be cool, you both made mistakes, i diddnt follow the drama, but i think a round of humble peace pie is in order for the house.

the only thing that i would really question, how adnexed are the gills?

the one major lookalike among psilocybes in the same habitat has partially adnate gills that free up with maturity.  it tends to have a globose cap with a nipple, i will find pics, hang on. (psilocybe semiglobata and it's variations)

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if they arent semilancaeta, they are at LEAST psilocybes.

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concretefeet said:

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if they arent semilancaeta, they are at LEAST psilocybes.

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from what i can see: agreed. one can not expect all specimens of a species to fall within the classic phenotype/morphology range.

if they are another active grassland psilocybe it's nice to be able to find a distinguishing feature to put your finger on [to put a specific name on or determine it is taxanomicaly distinct], but if it's a question of which species out of two close relatives the difference is generaly of secondary importance.

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interesting, wot other psilocybes occur in russia? is that where grib is from?

Mitchnast said:

hmm, cant find a pic i made up to settle this very argument once, ill just have to make up a new one, HAAAANG on.

youre lucky im not drinkin!


and you know very well its too late to prove the mushrooms have a separable pellicle, you knew that when you suggested it.  so no complain'n 'bout me editin', It doesn't show up if you do it in the first minute of the posts existance, the list is strictly a badge of approval. It carries no perk, except some mutual respect.  most of the people on it hardly bother to come around anymore.

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lol i know man... i used to mod on a forum... 

i dont have a problem if u edit ya posts, just askin

Mitchnast said:

now theres a few inactive Psilocybes that mimic libs,
they pretty much all fall under the category of those with gills that are ALMOST adnate. meaning they are attached down the stipe only by a thin fibrous membrane and are only truly attached at the place where stipe meets the cap. the membrane doesn't really hold if moved.
liberty caps are always sharply adnexed.

The look alikes include (but are not limited to) Psilocybe inquilina, (and the crobula var.) and Stopharia (psilocybe) Semiglobata. nether of which have a separable pellicle, and the later doesnt show purple through the cap.
heres some stropharia semiglobata

heres some psilocybe inquilina


libs you already know

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