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What do you think "Pure Evil" really is?
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I wan't to read about what each of you think the concept of evil really is.

Serious replies only plz


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Re: What do you thin "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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That which, to the observer, is the opposite of the observer's concept of good.

There is no "evil" outside the realm of individual perception, and though collectives of human beings may align along the same lines of perception, there will always be someone that thinks differently, rendering the idea of "true" good and "true" evil obsolete.


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-Erik Davis

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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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Evil intentions are born out of some type of fear which has been created in the mind. Anyone who allows fear to take hold of them is capable of performing "evil" actions.


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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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An illusion, like everything else.

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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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I believe that everything is exactly how it should be. I don't believe in a devil and demons are personal.

What I consider evil is people who deliberately cause or prolong suffering and death for personal gratification. There are people who base their life on that, and they would be "evil people".


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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: PowerTrip]
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I think everyday evil is essentially selfishness. Not being willing to put one's self out even a little for the good of another, greed, insulting others, etc. This is the sort of evil I see almost every day I drive in traffic (FUCK inconsiderate drivers who make it tougher for everyone else).

I figure Hitler, Stalin, Mao Ze Dong, Pinochet, Cahmere Rouge (sp?) and other mass-genocides are probably the best examples of what I think of regarding "true" evil. Even this is just a greatly magnified version of "normal" evil. All those genocides served political and social control purposes, not that anything let alone control could justify such atrocities.

Onemorerobot: sounds like you're saying something along this classic argument - There are many different morality systems THEREFORE no moral system is correct. There is no good and evil because people have different beliefs.

There's no reason to believe in moral relativism - it just makes a positivist claim (there are lots of different systems of morality) into a normative one (therefore there is no objective good and evil). This is an invalid argument - the conclusion does not necessarily follow from the contention. Just because there are many different opinions doesn't make none of them correct. One may be, or none of the current ones might be right, or maybe part of one and part of another and so on is actually what's right. Who knows?

Saying the lack of moral concensus means there is no objective morality is like saying "there is no concensus on many scientific issues, so there is no true answer to difficult scientific questions".

Without objective good and evil there was no real moral reason to stop Nazi Germany. It was just one non-moral agent fighting another. For that matter, there's no reason besides fitting in with your society not to rape, kill, steal, etc.

There are several well thought out moral systems that do a pretty good job of trying to find an objective moral truth such as consequentialism and deontology.


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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: MOTH]
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MOTH said:
An illusion, like everything else.


bah! cop-out answer!

The universal answer.  :tongue:


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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: SilentG]
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SilentG said:
MOTH said:
An illusion, like everything else.


bah! cop-out answer!

The universal answer.  :tongue:


I guess I could make a pretty sentence about what "pure evil" is, but in my opinion everything in the ocean of Samsara is an illusion.  Just a reflection from my own egotistical darkness.

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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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Barbra Streisand........

No doubt!


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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: Ripple]
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Okay, forget what I said earlier about illusions...I agree with Ripple.  :tongue2:

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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: MOTH]
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MOTH said:
Okay, forget what I said earlier about illusions...I agree with Ripple.  :tongue2:


Now THAT is an answer I can get behind. And a very pretty sentence.

pssst - if you're posting on an internet messageboard than samsara is probably just a word. :shocked:


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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: SilentG]
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George Bush and his entire cabinet. Ask any muslim


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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: StroFun]
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I don't believe in the concept of objective morality, because that would require a source of those morals beyond humankind. However I do believe in some degree of natural law, if that makes sense. I feel people (adults for the purposes of this post) have a natural right to be free from the control of others. This control includes having their life prematurely ended by somebody else's choice.

Therefore my subjective view of "evil," despite my hesitation to use moralistic terms, is anybody making it their primary purpose to exact control over other humans for the sake of that control. So in modern terms I feel the current administration is guilty of this, albeit to a far lesser extent than the war-related atrocities mentioned by some others.

Basically I believe we owe it to one another to stay out of each others lives in any kind of controlling capacity. That goes hand in hand with a notion that we must try to co-exist if we must or want to live together.


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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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mexicans


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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: barfightlard]
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That's not nice :blush:


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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: Wheels]
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Wheels said:
I don't believe in the concept of objective morality, because that would require a source of those morals beyond humankind.


That's not a valid conclusion about the origin of morality. There are objective truths regarding other things that don't require a higher power, why should morality be any different?

There are plenty of moral systems that place no emphasis on a higher power. Read Kant and John Stuart Mill for starters.

In fact if you say a higher power sets up morality then morality is no more than the arbitrary decision of a higher power. That's weak, why follow that morality? For fear of Hell? That makes the higher power essentially the biggest bully on the block and that's no reason to do something either.

For something to be good you have to do it for goodness's sake - not because you'll get in trouble if you don't. If you're doing something just to avoid punishment then you're only serving your own ends.

That's one of my major problems with legislating morality - why rob the goodness from not doing "bad" things (which are often just distasteful or dumb things really)?


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Yes, I could go drive somewhere everytime the urge to defecate hits, but...where's the fun in that.
-Moth

Edited by SilentG (10/11/06 06:20 PM)

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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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Isn't this a religious concept?
What's the opposite. The absolute good?

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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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Pure evil is the blatant and complete disregard for how your own actions may impact others.

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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: MOTH]
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MOTH said:
An illusion, like everything else.


good answer


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Mindfulness is the aware, balanced acceptance of the present experience.
It isn't more complicated than that.
It is opening to or recieving the present moment, pleasant or unpleasant, just as it is,
without either clinging to it or rejecting it.

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Re: What do you think "Pure Evil" really is? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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There is no Pure evil without Pure good.

but pure good exists, and imho it is goodwill towards all mankind.

thus,

pure evil exists in people with zero empathy towards his/her fellow man.


ah, but LOTS of people dont have any empathy towards others. Hell, most people in NYC are like that, lol..to an extent. Thus, a more detailed answer would be: someone with no empathy, but also a destructive tendency and hatred.


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