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Christ Consciousness
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What is Christ?
What is Consciousness?
What is Christ Consciousness?

What methods may be used to arrive at such a level of thought?
Are there ways to tell if a person is lying who claims Christ Consciousness? (the answer is yes)

What is a Christed Individual?
Does it mean he is Christ somehow?
(or jesus?)

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: Telepylus]
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How would one claim christ consciousness?


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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: Jackenobi]
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I took this to mean the same thing as cosmic consciousness, the feeling of unity....with the universe, with God/Jesus <---for those that believe that.


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Loving in truth, and fain in verse my love to show, That the dear She might take some pleasure of my pain: Pleasure might cause her read, reading might make her know, Knowledge might pity win, and pity grace obtain.

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: jonathanseagull]
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granted, but i mean, what does tele mean by a claimant lying? i dont fully recognise it.

Does christ consciousness lie? Is it not altruistic, like buddha consciousness? Or is the lie part of the moment of claiming consciousness in antithesis to a perceived contradiction of the moment with this consciousness?

sTupid mind...


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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: jonathanseagull]
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Yes, cosmic consciousness is the same as Christ Consciousness.

Cosmic consciousness refers to the Union of the One with the Many.

God Consciousness means Union of the One with the ALL.

Christ Consciousness means becoming aware of the Son of God, also called The Singularity. (Touching Christ or Touching the Singularity)
Christ Consciousness means touching the Singularity, which doesn't mean you are Jesus.
Christ and Jesus are too different things.

The Christ Force is like a crux, or a cross shape, an intersection of dimensional surfaces

0=2
012=3
we just pulled the primordial trinity of force from Nothing.
And Christ is the Singularity reducing and extending all dimensions and the universe.
Christ is literally the Seed of God.

understanding firmly these simple concepts in your mind is all that is required to become a Christed Individual.
We are the Children of God, his Creation.
God sacrificed his only begotten son Jesus Christ, to die for the Sin of the World.
Now it should be know that just because you are Christed, that doesn't make you Jesus.

Jesus was a man who brought about certain specific events to complete this miracle, which is really just God trying to upkeep his Program running.

Human Beings are so powerful we can create reality just by thinking about. and because of this fact, we all have this thick veil over our eyes, a filter.
it serves to filter out the actions of other obvious clues which would lead you to become as God.

The world is filled with chaos and sin, and disgusting tragedy.
God destroyed the world with a flood in genesis
and he destroyed sodom and gomorrah, he basically destroyed egypt,
he destroys lots of stuff.

The wages of sin is death.
Jesus came to save the world from destruction.
He did it by sacrificing his life for the sin of the world.
so that hell wouldn't overflow and existence end.
Jesus was a sinless man, who was crucifed, to absorb the presure of sin in the world.
when you become honest, you approach sinlessness, christhood.
when you love your family actively, and you love love.
you don't have to love god or talk to him, just love love, that's all he wants. and those who can't love love, simply don't belong.
jesus was a man who did something, so that none of us would have to.
he died for us, by absolving sin.

man is given an ordination, a set of instructions, to be productive to God, to serve God obediently. what man does is he stores the holy spirit of god in tiny containers (bodies) and packages (homes)
the holy spirit within the contain works as a battery of energy.
and these batteries of energy are what keeps God Alive.

he says be fruitful and multiply for many reasons.
one reason is because imagine this-
imagine too people who contain so much holy spirit that they glow brighter than the sun.
they have kids, and when they do, they shine less, because a portion of the force of the holy spirit goes into the children.

next these kids begin to procreated, and soon we have a thousand people.
each of these persons is 1/500th the brilliance of the first 2.
because it's been shared between them all equally.

now we have 6 billion people on earth
each only glowing with 1/3 millionth of the original light.

this light is what helps to remove the veil.
and, let it be known, if suddenly 100 million people died instantly on this planet.
the remaining people would feel a slight boost of consciousness, as that portion of the holy spirit returned to them.

if we kill 5 billion people on earth.
the remaining people will see things alot more clearly
with a larger portion of the force of the holy spirit within them.

now let's take it to the end
everyone in the world is dead accept 2 people
and they contain all the light of the holy spirit again
they one person is christed, the other is Christ.
the beginning and the ending
who comes first and follows after

and this person, christ jesus, is EVERYONE who loved him
and he is EVERYONE he loved.
and all of that love passes into a higher dimension where a new world awaits us.
and we pass through these worlds eternally.
you and i are literally millions of years old, we just don't remember right now.
in heaven we remember everything and know everything.


hell is real too
imagine the world to explode right now
and we each had 10 minutes to think about whatever we wanted

you'd think about your family and friends, some fun things you did in life, maybe some special song, or item you loved.
then poof, you're dead, gone in heaven.

ok, during that thinking process of 10 minutes
all the people who were forgotten by the rest go to hell
hell is being forgotten
hell is in fact words being broken into nonsense and lies
ideas and forms of conscious shapes loosing their integrity and falling apart. it has nothing inside of it to apply to the Order for occupancy.

i can tell you how to stay out of hell, it's pretty easy.
you need to love your mother and sister and daughter,
if a voice calls you home, go there.
in this world and in the next, you will always be safe where there is active love and passion for life.
Respect Womanhood, that will reveal to you a beauty in your mother you maybe never noticed.

Find someone to be honest with (i do take confessional)
if you can be honest and beloved and love something, it is impossible for you to go to hell.
and ultimately that means you cannot die, because you will be recycled through the eternal life machine called CHRIST.

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i love the way this thread is going so far.
someone ask some smart questions now.
or help answer some of the others listed.

Edited by Telepylus (10/05/06 06:00 PM)

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: Jackenobi]
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Jackenobi said:
granted, but i mean, what does tele mean by a claimant lying? i dont fully recognise it.
Does christ consciousness lie? Is it not altruistic, like buddha consciousness? Or is the lie part of the moment of claiming consciousness in antithesis to a perceived contradiction of the moment with this consciousness?
sTupid mind...


there are alot of liars involved with the Truth Industry.
in fact there are more liars involved dispensing information than there are Honest Ones.

If a person says "I AM Christed"
There is a test which can be run, to prove whether or not the person is in fact Christed.
A Christed individual has skills and knowledge which prove his Christhood, he will have a certain form of wisdom which can only be obtained by Touching Christ.

There are people who claim to be Christed Individuals, but they can't back it up- and they're usually nuts.

Christed Individuals usually witness miracles, or work them.
And they have healing powers, which i explain if you want me to.

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: Telepylus]
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I am very impressed with the way you elucidate the concept!

I have witnessed miracles, local miracles. I strive for the consciousness that i might witness more, not just miracles, or maybe a different form(s) of the miracle. Or confer, i feel i have, amidst a formative chaos of the understanding.

I would be interested to hear your further thoughts, i wonder how you manage such resonance, and lucidity!

I wonder, greatly.


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Edited by Jackenobi (10/05/06 06:12 PM)

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: Jackenobi]
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to be honest, when it comes time for me to write a piece of spiritual liturgy, i go into a trance at my computer, and my mind just races by, i can't even feel my fingers typing, it just comes out.

i am not the author, i am merely a messenger.
although i did write it, and the ideas are from my own mind, not any books- i don't take credit for it.
i do not own this wisdom
the wisdom owns me, and i am glad in my service.

i have written many documents, which i will read now and not even remember writing it, and being in awe of the beauty of it.
It is my Art sub rosa (writing) honestly i just decide what i need to write about, make a title, and let is spill.
Inside me i am honest, and because i am honest, only true words can come forth.

the other day someone called me egotistical because i'd said one of my writings was "profound". but what he didn't understand was that i had no ego when i wrote it, and i only think it's profound because "i didn't write it, the spirits did", and that is what profound means.

i would like to hear a story of one of your miracles.
soon i will give a few of my own.

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: Telepylus]
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"and ultimately that means you cannot die, because you will be recycled through the eternal life machine called CHRIST."

if we live eternally why are we confined to human forms in which immense suffering is encountered even in the "best" circumstances? Samsara?

Why do we loose knowledge of our unison with the divine? Can't we carry the Christed state with us to whatever world we go to, never being separate from it ever, a la Boddhisattvas?


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: Telepylus]
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My problem on this topic is that i am overwhelmed by the thoughts that want to speak. There is so much i could relate, but there is also honesty in restraint.

I have begun to heal after a dark time amidst the chaos of discovery, but there is still some way to go and often my mind will whisper 'secrecy!', pursuing an agenda it feels may be just. I dont feel it is entirely correct and will continue to heal, i am sure of it now.

I look forward to spilling a little forth, for now it is bedtime!

Wishes of peace.


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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: leery11]
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leery11 said:
"and ultimately that means you cannot die, because you will be recycled through the eternal life machine called CHRIST."

if we live eternally why are we confined to human forms in which immense suffering is encountered even in the "best" circumstances? Samsara?

Why do we loose knowledge of our unison with the divine? Can't we carry the Christed state with us to whatever world we go to, never being separate from it ever, a la Boddhisattvas?

What's better than Eternal Bliss?

Losing it, feeling stranded, desolate, alone, hitting rock bottom - and then discovering it all over again...

Just a thought, occurred to me on an acid trip.  :smile:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: Telepylus]
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Christ consciousness ~ gnosis ~ buddha nature


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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: Silversoul]
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Remember syd?


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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: leery11]
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leery11 said:
"and ultimately that means you cannot die, because you will be recycled through the eternal life machine called CHRIST."
if we live eternally why are we confined to human forms in which immense suffering is encountered even in the "best" circumstances? Samsara?
Why do we loose knowledge of our unison with the divine? Can't we carry the Christed state with us to whatever world we go to, never being separate from it ever, a la Boddhisattvas?


why are we given human bodies to experience bliss and suffering?
remember what we are.
we are containers for the Holy Spirit, set to stretch the fabric of time, and we serve as batteries which fuel transformation (Creation/Destruction)
Our human bodies serve to encompass enormously complex tensions within the universe.
And it is our duty to God to absorb these tensions and assist the distribution of the force of Creation/Destruction.

"Can we carry the Christed state with us to whatever world we go to, never being separate from it ever, a la Boddhisattvas?"

Any soul which has passed through the Singularity will return again and again.
If you have ever touched Christ or "Oneness", it means you always will. It means your body is encrypted with the passcode which allows you instant access.

"Why do we loose knowledge of our unison with the divine?"
We are not of the World, the World is just a platform, the earth is just a big ball of light patterns which have been slowed down to form Matter and Flesh.
Remember U/R of the Holy Spirit of God
God wrote a book, and no, it's not the bible, man wrote that.
God wrote a book that explains the entire universe, a book that is so powerful that if anybody ever reads it, they will become GOD.

And that book is called YOU, the human body.
God loves his book, it's near & dear to him and he treats it like his own child.
Your other question included "why do we suffer",
Remember, we are made in the image of God for a reason, so that he can go inside of us, and live through us, and see through our eyes, and so that you can know that you yourself ARE God (sometimes at least) you're connected intimately with the Intelligence which created and governs all existence- you're his favorite person.

Your question continues, "why do we lose knowledge of our unison?"
It can be no other way.
you only lose unison by losing your focus on the honest fact that you are a fit receptical for GOD to dwell in, but you cannot be God all the time trapped in the flesh of the world lie-cycle.
Man must sleep, it can be no other way.

When he sleeps he forgets
And he must make a conscious loving effort to remember who he is
This is called True Honesty, in union or fidelity with Truth.

God makes us forget for a very important reason.
How else is he to make sure that his children are qualified to govern the universe?
Only an Honest person is qualified to maintain the channels of energies which direct the course of history.

We lose the knowledge because all knowledge is shapes and patterns emanating downward from the Highest Orders of Divinity.
The mind can only extract meaning from shapes and patterns which it can encompass and digest.
As the Consciousness rises closer to the High Order, the larger shapes can be ingested, understood, and utilized to extract the Truth of who U/R and what is really happening.

But no matter what, eventually that person will get tired, and lay down, and fall asleep unconscious, and lose hold of those large shapes up high.
And although holding those shapes may have taught him alot about consciousness and reality, and life in the universe.
It hardly matters.
Because a new day dawns, and even though the universe is mostly the same, it's a tiny bit different each day, with new struggles and tests, and temptations to turn away from Honesty.

a final note on the term "immense suffering"
when you are totally honest with who you are, you will realize the immense suffering you've put yourself and others through.
and you will also realize the bliss you bring to people.
and you will realize that both of these are one motion.
try to look at it this way-
right now you are responsible for swaying the forces of suffering and joy between all the peoples of the world.
you can decide who suffers and who feels joy, but it has to be 50/50.
do you think you could handle a job like that?

Through the Singularity, suffering and joy is one motion.
In our Duality, it manifests as too things, Good or Bad.

If a person suffers a terribly painful death, he does deserve it.
and when i say that what i mean is, when he enters heaven and experiences that bliss, he will be glad for the intense feelings he had in life, no matter if it was pain or joy.
It is the intensity that is beautiful, not the process or means behind the pain or joy.
In our duality, pain is bad, and joy is good.
But through the Singularity, both are the same, they both amount to extreme tensions in the universe being absorbed.

Why would God give his only begotten son to be tortured and crucified?
It's the intensity of sensation that is valuable fuel to God, the process and means of that sensation are arbitrary.
All sensation is a gift compared to absolutely no sensation at all.

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: Telepylus]
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"There's an old saying, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."

Who's that Buddha? What does it mean to "meet" the Buddha? What does killing the Buddha imply?

The historical Buddha, Shakyamuni, on attaining enlightenment, is said to have realized that all beings, just as they are, are Buddhas. If that's so, meeting a Buddha on the road should be a pretty commonplace event! So should being a Buddha on the road! But that's where the word "meeting" comes in. It implies encountering something or someone outside or other than oneself. We all come to practice carrying around images or ideals of who we should be and what we imagine a Teacher or Buddha should look like. And we may chase after individuals that for a while seem like they live up to our image, ignore those who do not, and generally treat ourselves with contempt for not living up to the standards set by our imaginary inner "Buddha." All this may keep us pretty busy, but it has nothing to do with real practice, which is an awareness of who and what we actually are, not the pursuit of some ideal of who we think we should be. So "killing the Buddha" means killing or wiping out this fantasy image, and "the road" is two fold: the road outside where we look outside ourselves for the ones who have all the answers, and the inner mind road, where we set up all the "shoulds" we must obey to turn ourselves into the Buddhas we don't believe we already are, but think we must become.

It is said that Shakyamuni's last dying words to his disciples were, "Be a lamp unto yourselves." Be your own light, your own authority, your own Buddha. Kill off every image of the Buddha, see who and what you are in this very moment, see that there is no Buddha other than THIS MOMENT."


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"You must be the change you want to see in the world." - The trip of a Life Time.

Indra's Net - There is an endless net of threads throughout the universe. The horizontal threads are in space. The vertical threads in time. At every crossing of threads there is an individual. And every individual is a crystal bead. The great light of absolute being illuminates and penetrates every crystal being, And every crystal being reflects not only the light from every other crystal in the net, But also every reflection of every reflection throughout the universe.

-cK

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: ck10n3]
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> "There's an old saying, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."

One cannot be Buddha and know Buddha at the same time.


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Re: Christ Consciousness *DELETED* [Re: Seuss]
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Edited by soulcircus (10/06/06 03:03 PM)

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: soulcircus]
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i am a loving servant to all, why can't you see that?

i have no desire to prove my involvement

my desire is to be with my brethren
to be with others who understand this mystery

my desire is for you to witness a miracle
it has nothing to do with me at all

when you witness this miracle it will prove that you are christed, not me

i think it's kinda odd that you think i care what anybody thinks, because i seriously don't.
i spend my life hiding the fact that i'm christed, because it's totally out of the norm and unacceptable to most minds.
i certainly don't try to prove i am.
in fact i spend alot of work trying to prove that i'm not, because i don't wanna be, it's too much responsibility.
it just so happens I am what I AM.

i always find it silly when people have this idea in their heads that a Christed person never has emotions or humor or outbursts to make a valid point- after all, Jesus did enter the temple one day, and walking through shouting and destroying the whole place calling it a den of iniquity. i wonder if anybody thought he was an asshole that day?
people were pissed, and felt he was wrong.
who was wrong who was right?

rather than trying to focus on the stain on my shirt
why don't you give me credit for the fact that often i will have 2-3 flamer trolls going at once, and i do absolutely nothing but continue on in my graceful loving respectful way, accepting the fact that the mods think it's funny, that's why they let it go everytime.
i'm extraordinarily tolerant of people, and whenever i do engage a troll it's because i'm healing them in a way you don't understand.
try to notice the good in people, i do.

Let's talk about Christ Consciousness, not me, okay?

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: soulcircus]
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soulcircus said:
i.

i can personally say i have fallen trap into thinking i was some sort of saviour, i saw visions of myself living as jesus in a past life, knew how i would eventually be killed by our government for being to powerful an influence and saw it happen, and me leading people, and in those times i experienced genuine raised levels of awareness and powerful abilities.

however, it is a trap, that is all.




I hear that, to an extent. The witness of miracles came most bombastically during a time of christ-conscious induced stress.

A case in point would be the time i took a pill and witnessed the glasses on the table increase in number exponentially every time i glanced back at them (twice). I was sitting in a fairly dark room at a table with two girls i didnt know. They were lesbians and one of them was kissing her partner then looking at me, with strange sexual agression.

Time seemed to be part of it, the miracle, the proliferation of inanimate objects. I was in a feeling, or fervour, to feel a holy nature implicit in what i was seeing, in a miracle of the mundane. Time was folding, electric and eclectic in my mind. Or was it stretching? Strange awareness certainly, that has receded to a more 'normal' level after a long and arduous period of mental and emotional strife, replaced, or maybe anchored now, by a peaceful awareness, which i hope may continue to grow.

I felt a power that maintains, in thought if not in any certain... evidence. In the darker moments of course, the thought of power and responsibility and... implication... was never far from my mind and often pushed me into a barren outlook of the soul. Hard times.

This is a microcosm incident, party to the feelings and thoughts that persevere and morph and grow as they are harboured or harnessed by the better angels of our nature.

This is why i appreciate your notions on the nature of christ consciousness (how would it feel to be conscious if we were Muslim, or Hindu? - another doozy i wont try to get into...) Telepylus, there is a peace of understanding in there, rather than a chaos that i needed to once bury. They reach me at the right time, these explorations.

So. I see from both sides of the fence, Tele and Soulcircus, but as usual i also see from neither.

These days i see that it is discovery, forever. I like that.

That is, my consciousness at its best moment of immaculate self-inspection, whatever form conceptualisation might conspire to give it. Discovery, innocence, occupation, forever. No time for judgements...

Actually, discovery forever might be the crowns immaculacy. The hearts immaculacy on the other hand...


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Edited by Jackenobi (10/06/06 03:50 PM)

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Re: Christ Consciousness [Re: Telepylus]
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Christ Consciousness is always Right.
It's never wrong.

Just because a person is christed doesn't mean they're in a state of Christ Consciousness all day long, it doesn't work like that.
Maintaining it requires some skill.

Let me explain how the mind works in Christ Consciousness.
The mind has raised to the highest pinnacle of thought before the point of collapsing in on itself- This is called Union of the One with the Many. And this means, the world itself, and all of history is lining up to connect as extensions of your own Bodymind. And as this happens the mind witnesses an Absolute Order or structure of intelligences that compose the Universal Mind of GOD.

Once a person has arrived close to this level, they become Omniscient.
They have direct access to all the patterns of transmutations ever conceived in the universe.
Now the way the mind works is this-
Let's say someone asks a question, "why are honeycomb cells hexagonal?"
Imagine an arching beam of light coming out of the forehead, it feels around in the air about 2 foot from the head, searching for it's pathway to the answer.
As the mind searches the Akashic databanks for information, the feeler extends, and finds answers.
If it comes up with an answer that is undeniably TRUE, then the beam loops back to the center of the brain.
If it cannot come up with an answer that is undeniably true, then it just stops, sinks back into the head, and the person "thinks" they have a good answer, that might be true, or partially true.

In Christ Consciousness, there is just a loop, like a figure 8, the infinity symbol, like a ribbon running in and out of the head.
Each question or thought that arises in the mind, immediately finds the Truth and returns home, ceaselessly.
And that is what Christ Consciousness is.


I'm not always right, because i'm not in a state of Christ Consciousness permanenly, if i was, this would be the second coming now wouldn't it?
I'm sure not perfect, i make mistakes, and i'm wrong sometimes.
And i have no trouble at all admitting it when i am.

something else you need to realize though
a person who is a liar, who is egotistical, who cannot acknowledge their own faults- people like that simply cannot attain to christ consciousness. because christ consciousness is synonymous with Honesty and Wholesomeness.

Christ has instructed me to never use traditional religious terms, because they are totally obsolete now anyways.
The way I explain things is very simple and I need no validation from anyone else to know that is the truth.
Usually when people step up in my face boldly saying i'm wrong, it's because they have a limited intellect and they're hearing something they haven't heard before, the fear of unknown triggers the ego to say "i dislike this", then they think hmmm how shall i voice my distaste over the fact i can't understand this concept?
it's like they are mad at the fact they are seeing their own ignorance, and truly dysfunctional because if they just said "hey wait, i don't quite understand this, can you help explain it better?"
nothing would give me more pleasure than to assist someone in their own discoveries.

in my life i have been constantly perpetually misunderstood
and the people tried to have me believe that there was something wrong with me
but i held true to myself, in my own care for goodness knowing
and slowly over many many years began to discover certain proofs of my righteousness and their lies
they were wrong all along
and wrong in such a way that they pointed their finger at what was truely right, and shamed it bad bad bad wrong wrong wrong
that is how truly backwards the world is
and ironic

i have nothing to prove to anyone
in my certainty i have peace
i want a peaceful world
can you be honest and say you do too?
then you have something to prove to me
prove to me that you can rise above the lies as i have done
report to me your realization from witnessing world history as extensions of your own Bodymind, that we have a duty together you and I

Our duty is to be in a state where we can honestly obey ourselves free from any possible action of deceit.
Can you trust yourself to control yourself free from deceit?

That is exactly what God has done through Christ.
He made himself to enter a chaos of pure lies, with no memory at all of the Order which governs the universe, and said he will endure though any lies by virtue of his own inherent love for goodness, and rediscover the Order buried beneath the chaos of lies.

Put simply, Union with God is just Honestly remembering who you are.
Touching Christ, or passing through the singularity is the same as being One with those things.
Just like being hONEst means being One with the Order of Truth.
(Righteousness)

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