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The Christ Plane
    #5309036 - 02/16/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Found this at another board. Since the Christ has been popping up a lot around here, I thought some would appreciate this. It jibed with me.


The True Church


Mankind is ascending and with that comes advanced and direct understanding of the mysteries Christ spoke about. These mysteries are not really mysteries at all, but self-evident experiences when one?s perception enters into the Body of Christ. ?These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time will come when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father.? (John 16:25)

These self-evident mysteries come into one?s awareness directly as a result of the integration of one?s consciousness into the Body of Christ. And he said unto them, ?Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are outside, all these things are done in parables.? (Mark 4:11)

Foundational Differences

Ascension can be described as a shift from a physically (externally) based reality to a spiritually (internally) based reality. This description comes from the foundational energy of the old plane of consciousness vs. the new plane of consciousness (hereafter referred to as the old Earth and new Earth.) The foundational energy of the old Earth was masculine, externally expressed and physically maintained. From there, the lower energies that pull for separation controlled the consciousness of those who were karmically attached there (this is all of us before Christ returned to purify us through His Body and bring us upward to the new Earth) ?In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there you may be also.? (John 14:2-3)

After this shift upward, which occurs through an energetic integration into the Body of Christ, the foundational energy is feminine (Christ-based). The perception is no longer of a separate physical existence, but of a collective body of spiritualized energy anchored and sustained by The Christ, which moves through all its members as a whole and brings each one the experience of being one with the Father through the Son. ?I and My Church are One. And the Church is the elect of humanity for the salvation of all.? (Christ Jesus, The Gospel of the Holy Twelve)

With the ascension into the new plane of consciousness (the new Earth) that Christ created through His Body, comes the establishment of the True Church that Jesus spoke of:

Not a Physical Place

The True Church is not a physical place because on the new Earth, there is no separation between ?the real world? and ?the spiritual world?. The True Church is not a physical place where one goes to worship on Sunday, nor is it a membership of patrons who share a common belief or geographic location. The True Church is the very fabric of the Christ plane of consciousness (the new Earth). Once there, it becomes impossible to separate one?s spirituality from anything else. There is no need to go to a physical place set aside for worship because each moment becomes the manifestation of the Living God through the temple of the human body. ?But the true Temple is the body of man in which God dwelleth by the Spirit, and when this Temple is destroyed in three days, God raiseth up a more glorious temple, which the eye of the natural man perceiveth not. Know ye not that ye are the temples of the holy spirit?? (Christ Jesus, The Gospel of the Holy Twelve)

While traditional churches have historically sought to create a place set aside from the ?real world? where one could be reminded of the spiritual, learn about the scriptures and be guided by church leaders into a spiritually-based life, the True Church provides the direct experience of the spiritual as everyday reality. While traditional churches teach about salvation through Jesus Christ and wait for His return, those in the True Church have already experienced His return and the very tangible fulfillment of His promise, making the traditional obsolete and archaic.

The True Church cannot be seen. One cannot point and say, ?Lets go there? for instance. The True Church does not exist as a physical place on the physical plane (as churches of the old Earth do). The True Church is an energetic reality that makes itself manifest wherever the members appear on the physical plane.

Not Based on Religion or Belief

On the new Earth, religion does not exist. There is no need for a man-made vehicle to teach people about God. Such vehicles disappear in the face of direct experience. The True Church does not have different denominations because it is not based on belief. And because it is not based on belief, but on direct experience of the manifested Christ, it is not subject to different interpretations, as traditional churches have been. The True Church is a self-evident reality to those who exist within it. It is self-sustaining through Christ and does not need external validation, encouragement, structure or instruction. It creates itself anew in each moment and cannot be defined nor bound by traditional or physical means.

No Need for a Governing Body

The traditional minister is not needed in the True Church because all are equal and share the same energy of Christ who resides over all and within each. Leaders of traditional churches have set themselves apart through various levels of hierarchy, creating a barrier that holds the people within its structures. Since traditional churches are based on interpretation of scripture, rather than the direct experience of the Living Christ, they have become an outdated vehicle in which the members are held to their current spiritual experiences through their strict adherence to the scriptural interpretations of their particular church. Jesus referred to such people as Pharisees, admonishing them for their strict adherence to the written scriptures (letter of the law) and in so, rejecting the direct experience of God through Christ.

Manifestation of the True Church

The True Church is the direct experience of God?s love through the human vehicle. ?You are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.? (2 Corinthians 6:16) With all else stripped away, the True Church is what remains. It is the union of hearts through Christ and in Christ that beat for the glorification of God and is expressed through effortless being while living in an ever-present gratitude for creation itself and the ability to experience it through the human vehicle.

When this is recognized and directly understood to be one?s experience, complete ascension through Christ has occurred. The need for an external belief system, a physical place of worship and a separate focus on the spiritual falls away and is replaced by the True Church which exists by the Grace of God and is not subject to anything but its own authority through the Living Christ which sustains it on the physical plane both as a collective expression and an individual experience.



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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5309158 - 02/16/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

good stuff dont know about all this masculine feminine stuff, makes males sound liek evil and women like goodness, which is pretty much opposite of what I have experianced...


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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: blaze2]
    #5309310 - 02/17/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's just reffering to an equalisation of past polarisation.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: blaze2]
    #5309314 - 02/17/06 12:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It is not about men and women, but about yin and yang. Positive and negative energy. Neither all men or women are good. Things are relative, not absolute.

Great post, thanks!

I experienced this shift into feminine energy after a very strong trip several years ago. You warm my heart cockles! :heart:


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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5310182 - 02/17/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
It's just reffering to an equalisation of past polarisation.

:peace: :heart:




I enjoyed that material which was thoroughly 'gnostic' in its approach - particularly at the end which says that the church in its forms will be superceded by a full realization of Christ. I also see that the part that deals with the masculine-feminine polarity has not been thought out sufficiently. The Gospel of Thomas addresses this polarity at the end, but it still weighs more on the masculine end of the continuum. There, the patriarchal attitude still held by Muslims today (that women are souless!) is attacked by Jesus using the characters of Peter and Mary:

"Simon Peter said to them: Let Mary go out from among us, because women are not worthy of the Life. Jesus said: See, I shall lead her,
so that I will make her male, that
she too may become a living spirit, resembling
you males. For every woman who makes herself
male will enter the Kingdom
of Heaven.
The Gospel according to Thomas"
Logia 114, v. 18-28

In her classic book The Gnostic Gospels Elaine Pagals comments on this bias:

"Other gnostic sources reflect the assumption that the status of a man is superior to that of a woman. Nor need this surprise us; as language comes from social experience, any of these writers, whether man or woman, Roman, Greek, Egyptian, or Jewish, would have learned this elementary lesson from his or her social experience. Some gnostics, reasoning as man surpasses woman in ordinary existence, so the divine surpasses the human, transform the terms into metaphor. The puzzeling saying attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas...may be taken symbolically; what is merely human (therefore female) must be transformed into what is divine (the 'living spirit' the male). So, according to other passages in the Gospel of Thomas, Salome and Mary become Jesus' disciples when they transcend their human nature, and so 'become male.' In the Gospel of Mary, Mary herself urges the other disciples to 'praise his greatness, for he has prepared us, and made us into men.'"

Sages like my namesake, Marcus [Latin] or Markos [Greek] the Gnostic, encouraged women to act as priests and to celebrate the Eucharist (The Jesus Mysteries, p. 107), and much if not most of gnostic understanding saw males and females as completely equal below the social level of existence wherein we are one: "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ, There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:27-28.

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Addendum: I took today off (Yay!) and I was reorganizing some books when Dietrich Bonhoeffer's Christ the Center opened to this 90-91. In it, something reminded me of the last words of my above post, "Christ Jesus." I was going to add something then but I didn't, then this thing needed to be expressed because we're talking about Christ, but we're doing so in a way that orthodox Christianity condemned in the year 451 at the Council of Chalcedon,

"which produced the classic formulation of the doctrine of the God-manhood of Jesus Christ...The Chalcedonian Definition was concerned with the complete divine and complete human nature of Christ, with the one Jesus Christ with two natures....What did the formula of Chalcedon say? It stated the a priori impossibility and impermissibility of taking the divinity and humanity in Jesus Christ side by side or together or as a relationship of objectifiable entities...After the decision of Chalcedon it is no longer permissible to objectify the divinity and the manhood in Christ and to distinguish them from each other as entities...Christ is one person in two natures....Before their integral unity in one person, however, they were first conceived in isolation from one another."  Bonhoeffer, pp. 90-92

I felt compelled to illustrate why those with Christian backgrounds, and especially the Fundamentalist types, so oppose the Gnostic perspective of greater unions with Christ. The linguistic attachment of 'Jesus' to Christ continually draws distance between the union of our own awareness with Christ, because Christ Jesus has become a unique species of being, theologically, since Chalcedon. Originally, it was otherwise, which is why I personally seek to return to the origins of Christ[ian] awareness, unsullied by the agendas of churchmen. The original understanding was turned to heresy [wrong-view] as church authorities inserted themselves as 'middlemen' into one's relationship to God, through being in Christ. Their insistence on the Eucharist as being absolutely necessary for salvation, and the Church as the sole administrator of the Eucharist, served to undercut the Gnostic understanding of immediate (unmediated) communion with Christ, without material necessities.

I sincerely hope all this was not taken as unnecessarily wordy. Some of yous guys out there are pretty Gnostic, and I want to show where the opposition from Fundamentalist hecklers comes from (sorry...I have issues with them).
-MtG


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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5310684 - 02/17/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Indeed, the masculine feminine energy part was lightly and maybe even poorly addressed. I think the over all essence about the New Church and Christ Plane hit it pretty well.

I was working to recall any thing I had on the Sophia. Doesn't that have something to do with the feminine Christ aspect of the One? I remember you sharing some knowledge on that before Markos. I read up a bit on it long ago.

Anyway, for anyone who has read it or has yet to, I wouldn't get to caught up into any distraction from the main message. Being in conflict about which biological form is better will end you up in a duality conflict and thats not what Christ consciousness is about. It heals those back into the ONE in spirit, like Markos said. :yinyang:

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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5310967 - 02/17/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Great thread. Thanks.


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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5311000 - 02/17/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, just like the way that Jungian analysis handles persons in our dreams - as symbols of certain principles or qualities, the Gnostic approach to scriptures works the same way. Mary called Magdalene is viewed by many as the Gnostic Sophia, for example, and her 'marriage' to Jesus does NOT have to be debated as historically accurate (any more than the historical existence of Jesus can be absolutely proved). Mary MAY have been married to Jesus. She was said to have been kissed often "on the mouth" by Jesus. Their marriage would have been a significant event, like Jesus' bar mitzvah which was never mentioned but can be deduced from the passage about His family's trip to Jerusalem when Jesus was 12. That is about as telling about a bar mitzvah (which HAD to have occurred if Jesus was Jewish) as kissing Mary on the mouth is about they're being married!

I have figures of Mary the Mother and Mary the Companion on my votive table (which works for me like sandtray therapy in Jungian analysis). This is an older picture (Magdalene is now painted gold with white alabaster jar, Sophia on the right is now gold with red face, hands and wings as per my historical studies). Both are before a crucifix, but seem to be gazing downward (at least in my imagination) to a Mushroom (a lowly life-form springing from dung, yet incarnating a great Light by which I have seen the Logos, symbolized by Jesus on the cross).



The equilateral cross on the altar cloth is mushroomic, containing grain, and which is an actual item from an Eastern Orthodox church supplier. The pre-Christian Eleusinian Mysteries which used a form of ergot fungus, grown on grain, for The Experience, gives rise to tiny purple mushrooms. I don't known how, but it would seem like the creator of this piece for priest's vestments must have 'channelled' this tid-bit from the Collective Unconscious through his or her Greek mind. (BTW, you can see rye grain in a clay jar under the altar).

Pulling all these strands together, the books by Freke and Gandy: The Jesus Mysteries, The Laughing Jesus, and Jesus and the Lost Goddess; plus our own attraction and valuation of The Entheogenic Experience, leads us back to a time in which Christianity was seen AS a Mystery Religion (which is why the Jews rejected it) and as a Mystery Religion it treated women as equals (unlike the Hebrew, Greek or Roman social mores). Freke and Gandy make a very convincing point that the ancient 'Osirus-Dionysus' dismembered-resurrected god-man was recapitulated yet another time in a Jewish idiom. The Gentiles naturally took to it while the Jews (except for marginal Jews, like myself, as well as those in ancient times) rejected it. Patriarchal Romans got rid of the sexually egalitarian Gnostics and their texts and re-established their own patriarchy in conjunction with the earlier Hebrew patriarchy. Few people realize that Yahweh was worshipped with his Asherah, His Divine Consort, in Solomon's Temple. Neither do people know that sexual polarity marks the two Cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant. Patriarchy has for too long occulted the Truth about God. The Aramaic name for God (similar to the Hebrew Abba [father], as well as to the Arabic Allah [which has a feminine ending]) is 'Abwoon' which means 'Cosmic Birther' or 'Cosmic Mother-Father.' It is time to recognize God as Masculine AND Feminine.

The original Trinity was Osirus-Horus-Isis. This came down to Father-Son-Holy Spirit. The mysterious Holy Spirit is sometimes viewed as winged (like the Great Goddess Isis), or the Greek Sophia (note winged Sophia on altar pic). One is FREE to see the Christian Trinity as Father-Son-Mother, and remember... although the Son is male in form, the mythos of the Virgin Birth makes Him genetically Haploid - only His Mother's female genes in every proverbial cell of His allegedly historical body! A veritable human yin-yang of the visible-invisible. Feminine and Masculine combined in spiritual androgeny and harmony. The Kabbalistic Tiphereth  :sun:


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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5311062 - 02/17/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Mary MAY have been married to Jesus. She was said to have been kissed often "on the mouth" by Jesus.



Just to clarify: We don't know for sure that the original Gospel of Phillip said Jesus kissed Mary Magdelene on the mouth. The parchment found in the Nag Hammadi library was old, and had holes, so we don't have the full manuscript. It says something to the effect of "and Jesus kissed her on the..." Those who are proponents of the idea that they were married will assume that the missing word is "mouth," in which case it would indeed imply that they were married, but it could just as well have said "cheek," which would have been a common greeting in Jesus' time, or "forehead," which would have implied an almost paternalistic relationship to her, indicating her status as his closest disciple.


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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5311103 - 02/17/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That was very interesting and elucidated the understanding I had, better then I could've put into words. I didn't even want to attempt it. :lol:  Thank YOU for  adding it!  :smile:

I like when you share pictures from your home. You obviously have it so set up to nourish your spiritual life. Those ancient Egyptian art works you shared in another thread were neat too.

Mine is reminiscent of an old world Mediterranean garden home. It's soothing to my soul. I can't help but to feel I am recreating from the memory of another place and time where all was well, peaceful and beautiful. The ever inspired creative in me likes to see when people make conscious choices about what they surround themselves with realizing it's ability to influence and or inspire us.

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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5311170 - 02/17/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Didn't read the whole post, Gnostic, but maybe it means that women are supposed to get in touch with their animus and males with their anima?

I mean, to me, the most nurturing and desired energy that i need inside of me is female, whereas I need to use my male energy to give to those who would need otherwise.

likewise for women to find nurturance from their own masculine side may raise them to a higher divinity.

hmm....

so anyway the first post in here makes it sound like belief in Christ is completely unnecessary for the ascension of man kind. I sure hope we have an ascension because honestly I just don't understand the fact that we can be human, and so misguided at that.


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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: Silversoul]
    #5311206 - 02/17/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Here's a "yes, but" statement. The disciples gripe and ask Jesus why He loves Mary more than He loves them, given the assumed egalitarian nature of their state of being. I imagine that kissing on the mouth was seen as more personal than a kiss on the cheek or forehead then, as it is now.


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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5311311 - 02/17/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you for your comments. I'm certain that your home is beautiful, which means to me that it's form is capable of expressing spiritual beauty in artistic and aesthetic ways (are there round archways about?). It is a blessing to be 'presented' (by God, and through our efforts) with such things in life. I can imagine all manner of physical structures in which to dwell, but I will not attempt to exceed the total harmony of my 'place' in my current lifestyle, fueled as it were by a career in education! I get lots of free time, but modest amounts of 'green energy.'

We have created thematic 'spaces' in each of our rooms, and even the hallway feels habitable. All I ever wanted was an appropriate 'setting' for tripping, and as we all know, life is a trip!


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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: leery11]
    #5311356 - 02/17/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Didn't read the whole post, Gnostic, but maybe it means that women are supposed to get in touch with their animus and males with their anima?




Absolutely that as well. Just as more men are drawing from and integrating the feminine energy aspect, so too are more women drawing from and integrating the masculine energy aspect.

How else are we going to fulfill ourselves as the anointed ONE? :wink::yinyang:


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I mean, to me, the most nurturing and desired energy that i need inside of me is female, whereas I need to use my male energy to give to those who would need otherwise, likewise for women to find nurturance from their own masculine side may raise them to a higher divinity.




yup, that applies to all humans seeking balance and full re-Source

The idea is not to let anyone aspect dominate over the other but to get them working in union as one energy aspect.


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so anyway the first post in here makes it sound like belief in Christ is completely unnecessary for the ascension of man kind.




I agree with that. Its a state of compassion and anyone can find themselves being called or moved into it without an beliefs required IMHO.

In the specific case of the article, people are having transcendental experiences where they meet up with the Christ (symbolized by the image of Jesus or the Buddha, or any symbol and maybe none other then light or a feeling of warmth, ect. ) and are able to dwell there with others as one in spirit.

Its a beautiful and humbling thing to experience.

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I sure hope we have an ascension because honestly I just don't understand the fact that we can be human, and so misguided at that.




:lol:  Being misguided is a part of being human. Thats why transcending the human nature back into the nature of spirit must take place for ascension/guidance to enter the picture.

On a side note not related to the shared article, some people see more of an insencion of spirit taking place where spirit is arising up from within physical matter, lifting physicalities vibration or "love light quotient."

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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5311580 - 02/17/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't bother reading this tripe. The Christ plane is the same as the ancient Sri religion of the Harappa settlements.


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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: eve69]
    #5311785 - 02/17/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

May I kindly ask, how it is that if you didn't bother reading something, you can be in a position to make any sort of personal judgment about it?

That's like me saying, "Oh Moby Dick, I didn't bother reading that tripe. It's not true what they say about black men."

At this point, if you bothered not to read any of it, how do you know we are not talking about a new airline?

Comercial voice- "The NEW Christ Plane takes you to Heaven faster with more leg room. Fly the Heavenly skies with us. :wink:"

May I also kindly ask what does an ancient religion have to do with the place of feeling compassion in your heart? My daughter knows nothing of the Sri religion or Harappa settlements and she feels it.

If it was tripe, how were you able to relate it something?

Will you kindly please explain yourself eve69. You must have something more you want to share here. I'm listening and wanting to understand what you wished to contribute to this post. :smile:

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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: eve69]
    #5312213 - 02/17/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

eve69,

Will you please at least read this paragraph so you can see why your saying The Christ plane (as referred to in the article) is a religion like Sri, so funny and non sensical.


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Not Based on Religion or Belief

On the new Earth, religion does not exist. There is no need for a man-made vehicle to teach people about God. Such vehicles disappear in the face of direct experience. The True Church does not have different denominations because it is not based on belief. And because it is not based on belief, but on direct experience of the manifested Christ, it is not subject to different interpretations, as traditional churches have been. The True Church is a self-evident reality to those who exist within it. It is self-sustaining through Christ and does not need external validation, encouragement, structure or instruction. It creates itself anew in each moment and cannot be defined nor bound by traditional or physical means.




This, is what people here were relating to.

Sri religion, though it has some cool stuff, also believes in concepts like sacrifice. :confused:

Some religions work the sacrifice suffering card. Some that call themselves Christian religions work it hard too. That is not what this article was about and its not what I am about, it's not what I know Christ consciousness to be about either, speaking for myself.

I for one, find anything done out of the spirit of compassion and called a sacrifice, to be an OXY MORON.

I also wish we had another word for the Christ because it gets old having it mis-understood to mean, the life of a man named Jesus and all of the fear and suffering and sacrifice that religions have surrounded his name with. To me, thats a huge area where the religious churches corrupted his name, because of their agendas to corrupt and manipulate people.

The religious church says "Suffering is virtuous" :smile:- translation(live in pain for our dark overlords to feed on :evil:)

The religious church says, "sacrifice is a virtue" :smile:-translation (Give us your lives and money so our dark overlords can rule over you through us :evil:).

The religious church says, "Fear Gods judgment, wrath and punishment against you" :mad2: translation (NEVER EVER question the authority of our corrupt practices and leave our religion or else, you'll pay with eternal damnation :evil:)

All of that religious non-sense has nothing to do with the direct experience of the Christ Plane.

The Christ consciousness I have had direct experience with knows nothing of such things like fear, sacrifice and suffering.

It's a place that knows of nothing to fear for all is ONE in spirit. The ONE has nothing outside of itself, in opposition to it, to be afraid of.

It's a place that has nothing to sacrifice because all is fulfilled and nothing of the Spirit is in lack or need.

It is a place, where nothing suffers as all is healed. A place where the separated self is always re-membered as the ONE in spirit and nothing suffers from separation loss there.

I write all of this so maybe someday, more people will understand that the Christ Spirit has nothing to do with religious dogmas. If people want to attach religious dogmas to the Christ Spirit, and muddy it up then......... :shrug:

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    #5313585 - 02/18/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Living Spirit Foundation...

Pure tripe.

Satan creates another false gospel, this time in new age wrapping.

Scripture twisting and quotes from pseudo scripture.

Feel good experience wrapped in lies.

Salvation is based soley on the perfect atoning work and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ on behalf of His chosen people. Repent and believe the gospel.


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    #5313630 - 02/18/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Two men died and went to Heaven. St. Peter greeted them, and said "I'm sorry, gentlemen, but your mansions aren't ready yet. Until they are, I can send you back to Earth as whatever you want to be."
"Great!" said the first guy, "I want to be an eagle soaring above beautiful scenery!"

"No problem," replied St. Peter, and POOF! The guy was gone. "And what do you want to be," St. Peter asked the other guy.

"I'd like to be one cool stud!" was the reply.

"Easy," replied St. Peter, and the other guy was gone.

After a few months, their mansions were finished, and St. Peter sent an angel to fetch them back. "You'll find them easily," he says, "One of them is soaring above the Grand Canyon, and the other one is on a snow tire somewhere in Detroit!"


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    #5313692 - 02/18/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Does anyone here who has a criticism, know how to back up meaningless statements like-

"Satan creates a false gospel"

WHAT exactly are you referring to? That comment means NOTHING until you apply it to something written in the article and back it up. Did you read the article? Grab something from it and back that comment up.

You might as well have said "Satan is now raising awareness on unity, compassion and oneness consciousness"

Do you realize how funny that sounds?

If someone writes about an experience today , though it equals experiences that have been happening for thousands of years, how does that make it New Age? It just is now, what it has always been and will be.

I suppose you think Sacred Geometry was invented in the last decade. Its the oldest recorded science in the books. Same with acupressure and so many other things that have been around for mellinea that some people without access to a history book call "New Age". Microwave ovens and satellites are "New Age". Christ Consciousness has always been.

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Salvation is based solely on the perfect atoning work and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ on behalf of His chosen people. Repent and believe the gospel.




Thanks you for sharing your prime example of RELIGIOUS DOGMA.  :tongue::thumbdown:

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feel good stuff wrapped in lies?




Care to point out ONE lie and back it up to give your tripeful statement any use or meaning?

So you honor feeling bad huh? You must be one of the ones that believes in suffering as well. No wonder you know so much about Satan.:lol:


As creator of this thread, I don't mind constructive criticism, however, I ask for any future reply that has any to at least, quote something from the article and back up a relevant criticism of it.

Anyone can slap irrelevant and meaningless statements up when they have nothing meaningful to say to get attention. I have a lot to give and apparently, you two are hurting for some. :heart: :hug:

So far, the two of you using the word tripe are the only ones who posted any tripe here from my perspective.

That article ROCKED!:discodance:


Have some jiggy love- :heart: :hug: :sun: :heart: :sun: :hug: :heart: :sun: :kiss:  :heart: :sun: :heart: :kiss: :sun: :heart: :sun: :hug: :heart: :sun: :heart: :sun: :heart: :sun: :heart: :sun: :hug: :kiss:

I realize you may have been joking around as well with your reply, because your reply read like a joke. If so, :rofl2:

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    #5313767 - 02/18/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Dear gettinjiggywithit -

I strongly recommend a Mr. Myogi ['Karate Kid'] honk-the-nose of your opponent strategy in this case  :heart: Radical Fundamentalism of ANY tradition cannot be reasoned with, and the mental agility to assume other perspectives is fettered with emotions so hostile that they are best regarded as detrimental as gamma radiation. One of these days such an individual may deliver a nuclear holocaust or a radioactive hell just to show that my metaphor about Fundamentalist rage is not merely metaphorical! Who indeed are the Children of Wrath?
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    #5313785 - 02/18/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Jesus and Satan
Jesus and Satan were having an ongoing argument about who managed to get the most out of his computer. This had been going on for days and God, was tired of hearing all of the bickering.

God said, "Cool it. I am going to set up a test that will run two hours and I will judge who does the better job."

So down they sat at the keyboards and typed away. They moused away. They did spreadsheets, they wrote reports, they sent faxes, they sent out e-mail, they sent out e-mail with attachments, they downloaded, they did some genealogy reports, they made cards, they did every known job. But just a few minutes before the two hours were up, a lightening flashed across the sky. The thunder rolled and the rains came down hard. And of course the electricity went off.

Satan was upset. He fumed and fussed and he ranted and raved, all to no avail. The electricity stayed off. But after a bit, the rains stopped and the electricity came back on. Satan screamed, "I lost it all when the power went off. What am I going to do? What happened to Jesus' work?"

Jesus just sat and smiled.

Again Satan asked about the work that Jesus had done. As Jesus turned his computer back on the screen glowed and when he pushed "print it", it was all there. "How did he do it." Satan asked? God smiled and said, "Jesus Saves."


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    #5313801 - 02/18/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I hear ya and thanks for the warning.;) Perhaps, I am an optimistic hopeful that the fundamentalist mentality can be broken up from its tight arse hold on dogma with some silliness infused into it so they can see how silly it is from another perspective on it.

It's all in good humored creative play for me. I'm here with open mind and heart if they want to better explain themselves.

Thank you for keeping it "light". Your joke was funny. The Lightness serves the essence of the post best! :smile:

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    #5314001 - 02/18/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Salvation is based solely on the perfect atoning work and imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ on behalf of His chosen people. Repent and believe the gospel.

Thanks you for sharing your prime example of RELIGIOUS DOGMA.

The article you posted makes doctrinal statements and therefore is dogma (according to how you use the term dogma).

Care to point out ONE lie and back it up to give your tripeful statement any use or meaning?

I am not going to spend all my time refuting such obvious nonsense. I read the article and the best word to sum it up is tripe. However I will point out one lie (it is hard to know where to start, there are so many).

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These self-evident mysteries come into one?s awareness directly as a result of the integration of one?s consciousness into the Body of Christ. And he said unto them, "Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are outside, all these things are done in parables." (Mark 4:11)

Perfect example of scripture twisting. The article asserts man can of his own efforts become aware of the mystery of the kingdom of God. This is a false teaching. Fallen man is spiritually dead (Col2:13, Eph2:1,5) and in bondage to sin and unable to understand spiritual things at all (1Cor2:14, Rom 8:7). This is why a man must be born from above before he can see the kingdom of God (John3:3). Jesus told His disciples that it was given to them to understand the mystery, but to those outside of them it was done in parables. God Himself reveals truth to those who He choses(James1:17, John6:44-5). This teaching denies original sin and man's total spiritual depravity. It also denies that God teaches His people, and this is the reason they understand anything at all.

So you honor feeling bad huh? You must be one of the ones that believes in suffering as well. No wonder you know so much about Satan.

I do not believe in suffering. I do not know how you came to this conclusion.


I realize you may have been joking around as well with your reply, because your reply read like a joke. If so..

I wish I were joking, but this is a matter of eternal life or eternal death and is no joking matter.


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    #5314375 - 02/18/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I suppose that I'm not totally depraved (only partially  :grin:) by the mythic sin committed by the Original Sinner, Adama [Hebrew for Earth, I believe]. Of course, the Hebrews did not, and do not believe in the total depravity of Humankind and neither would Y'shua have if He were indeed a Hebrew (if indeed He actually existed as a historical person). Jews believe we have an evil inclination [Yetzer Hara] which we can choose not to follow. Of course, Augustine had to invent the church doctrine of Original Sin in order to make the one antidote - Jesus - absolutely necessary for salvation. Despite Jesus' own words that "I have come not for the righteous, but for the sinners," legalistic minds that would put the Biblical Pharisees to shame have manipulated scriptures to condemn Jews and Gentiles alike who do not knuckle under to the power of scripturally-derived and extracted propaganda. I once succumbed to the same brainwashing (many people only require a light rinse  :laugh:), but in re-investigating my Jewish roots, I decided to get a second opinion  :wink:.

Ya know, I would've had 'darshan' with Y'shua if I had been around, and I would've offered Him the best wine I could get in order to pick His mind. I believe that I would have gotten a smile out of Him as well, if not a laugh. He never would've threatened me with Hell or damnation because those concepts hadn't been taken from the Pagans yet, and the Jews had no such articulated concepts other than a vague 'Sheol.' 'Christian' threats of fire and brimstone began with Matthew and continue to the multitudes even today. The danger of Hell is what Fundamentalists are gonna turn this planet into with their hate and eventual destructiveness. They'll prove Armageddon is real by making it happen themselves.

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    #5314379 - 02/18/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you for expansiating on your comments fivepointer.  :smile: :thumbup:

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The article you posted makes doctrinal statements and therefore is dogma (according to how you use the term dogma).




Since you couldn't grab even ONE from the article to support that comment, it remains a meaningless moot one.


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I am not going to spend all my time refuting such obvious nonsense.




Then why did you bother posting a reply in refute of the article in the first place?  :confused:

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I read the article and the best word to sum it up is tripe.




Thank you for sharing your opinion then. :smile:

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However I will point out one lie (it is hard to know where to start, there are so many).




Though I respect the fact that you see the Bible as your authority on spiritual truth, it's not mine. I realize you have no respect for that. :smile: If all that doesn't come directly from the Bible is a lie to you then, your entitled to your version of the religious truth.  I'm not a religious person myself.

I understand now now why the article offended you though.




 
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Fallen man is spiritually dead (Col2:13, Eph2:1,5) and in bondage to sin and unable to understand spiritual things at all (1Cor2:14, Rom 8:7).  This is why a man must be born from above before he can see the kingdom of God (John3:3).  Jesus told His disciples that it was given to them to understand the mystery, but to those outside of them it was done in parables.  God Himself reveals truth to those who He choses(James1:17, John6:44-5).

This teaching denies original sin and man's total spiritual depravity.  It also denies that God teaches His people, and this is the reason they understand anything at all




Fallen man is different then a spirit that chose to descend into matter. I don't believe in original sin or any sin for that matter or that all men are spiritually depraved or a God that is a He that is separate from me.:shrug: 

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I do not believe in suffering.  I do not know how you came to this conclusion.




That was easy to come to when you said the article was "feel good" and called it tripe at the same time. Feeling good must be tripe to you. What is the alternative to feeling good? Feeling bad, suffering. Simple conclusion.


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I wish I were joking, but this is a matter of eternal life or eternal death and is no joking matter.




Who is stopping you from obtaining eternal life according to the instructions in the Bible with devout seriousness? You're free too. Sounds to me like all you need is your trusty Bible and you are good to go. :thumbup:

If you jumped into this post to Bible thump the fundamentals of your Christian religion, someone may be digging it. :shrug:

Why not just start posts of your own preaching the Gospels according to your Bible?

I was born and raised RC. I have had more then my fair share of the preachings about eternal damnation and a God who judges us to be feared. It's not for me. :sun: Thanks anyway.  :smile:

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    #5314406 - 02/18/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I enjoyed that reply Markos! :smile:

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    #5314533 - 02/18/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"That was easy to come to when you said the article was "feel good" and called it tripe at the same time. Feeling good must be tripe to you. What is the alternative to feeling good? Feeling bad, suffering. Simple conclusion."

You nailed it g. (no pun intended). Christians defined as those whose being is immersed in Christ have become 'Christs' themselves - Eastern Orthodox Christian 'theosis.' The perspective is mystic, it is gnostic, it is beyond doctrine, beyond the myths, and WAY beyond finger wagging and pain-fueled hatred of those who are Truly Free.


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    #5316810 - 02/19/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

eve69,

Will you please at least read this paragraph so you can see why your saying The Christ plane (as referred to in the article) is a religion like Sri, so funny and non sensical.



Christ and Sri are the same energy. The love and compasssion which has no name but is the Shakti of life. Call it what you want. That won't change things.


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    #5316943 - 02/19/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Are you responding to me, or to yourself?

BTW, you are free to call cats dogs, and dogs cats, but Shakti is not Karuna [Compassion], and if one wishes to communicate with people, it is important to recognize the same language and the same meanings for the words in that language. Capiche?


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    #5316992 - 02/19/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This post wasn't about other names Christ energy goes by. Besides Sri to you, some call it Buddha, Cosmic, Compassion. So what? :shrug:

If you think having direct experiences with (_______) energy is Tripe, why bother stating that hear and then bolting?

What were you wanting to contribute to the post article or discussion? Did you just come in to dump on something  others were expressing appreciation and enjoyment of? Feel better now? :wink:

Do you just want everyone to know you think a direct experience with  Christ Consciousness is rubbish?

If so , now we all know. :smile: Eve69 thinks Christ Consciousness is the same as Sri consciousness (just so you all know) and it is non sensicle rubbish-tripe. Make note of that readers. :thumbup:

Thank you for sharing your enlightening opinion.:sun:



Nice reply again as ussual Markos. It feels good to be truly free indeed.  :thumbup:

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    #5317074 - 02/19/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I forgot to add to the last post that eve compared the article to a RELIGION. The Sri was a man just like Jesus was that people built religions on.

The Christ plane and a direct experience with it has nothing to do with religion or any human other then the one having the direct experience with it.  :sun:

Just for anyone who was confused by the derailment.

It is an ancient religion and if I remember correctly Hinduism branched off from the Sri Religion. It is interesting to learn about. I surely am not as knowledgeable as markos on the history of world religions. Religion has nothing to do with the article is all.

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Re: The Christ Plane [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5318267 - 02/19/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Great post, sad replies. Oh well, can't be troubled by some people's inability to read or post. Tsk Tsk...

One thing I like about people on the other side against unity, is that you can come back to them with love, and it's like they don't get it. It is like they miss out on a great joke, and you can revel in it so much!


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    #5318877 - 02/20/06 08:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

gettinjiggywithit wrote:
"I don't believe in original sin or any sin for that matter or that all men are spiritually depraved or a God that is a He that is separate from me. "

What saith the scriptures?

Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Since you deny sin you can never repent (since you have nothing to repent of). I hope that the Spirit will convict you of your spiritual bankruptcy so that you will repent.

Mr 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Lu 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Lu 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.



The law of God is summed up as:

Mr 12:30,1 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

If you do not keep the law PERFECTLY, then the law will accuse you and you will be found guilty of breaking it. Any breakage of the law will result in just judgement, and eternal damnation.

God can not set aside His law, every transgression, no matter how slight, must be punished, no exceptions. This is why in order to forgive a sinner the law can not be merely set aside. The law must be satisified. The law demands punishment. That punishment must be meeted out. Christ came to save His people, and take the punishment they so justly deserve. This is how God can remain just and justify at the same time.

Jesus Christ alone kept the law PERFECTLY, this is the only way a sinner can ever approach the Most High God, only through His righteousness.

Jesus loves His people, not while they were friends, but while they were enemies.

1Jo 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


This is true unconditional love. To love those who have no reason to be loved at all. Just as He was hated without a cause, He loves His people without a cause.


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    #5318882 - 02/20/06 08:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but the appellation 'sri' is a title of respect in India (Sri Ramana Maharishi, Sri Chinmoy, etc.) and beyond that I am not aware of the reference to yet another offshoot from Hinduism.

That which is here referred to as the "Christ Plane" has its correlates in other religions. For example, the idea of the 'Lesser Countenance' as the 6th 'sphere' (not plane) of Tiphereth [Beauty]/Rahamim [Compassion] in Jewish Kabbala, (as opposed to the 'Greater Countenance') is a 'Son and 'Father' parallel with Christian theology. Hinduism itself has a number of references, but I like 'The Heart Cave' [Hridayam] or Spiritual Heart, which again has its parallel in Catholic thought as 'The Sacred Heart.' Buddhism has many references to being in a place of non-violence [ahimsa], or the 'Skillful Means' to Wisdom [Prajna] being Compassion [Karuna].

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    #5318907 - 02/20/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I just reread you gettinjiggywitit. I stand alone apparently in not believing in Ascention, or End Times. The Earth was always a perfect aware being of Christ, and no Ascention was ever necessary. All there can be are refining means of perception for understanding this. In a universe of great darkness and inorganic matter in this one life had a mystical foundation, linked to the sun and water, the womb of Earthly life and thence of all philosophy and rhetoric.

One spirit of life exists, and not two, even in the deepest throws of space. I don't care about names. I am an advaitist, a nondualist, I do not see up and down, nor right or left, nor god and satan, nor an east or west, nor alot of things, not on the inside anyway. Outside, I'll perhaps play along. Iit's hard living in the West amongst dualists. They are not taught to understanding pure awareness only as the only thing in existance.

But if you look, then there you will be looking right back at you through whatever it is, and that you is awareness. Plain and simple. Awareness is kaivalya, Patanjali's ultimate residence in aloneness - all one ness.

If Christ was ever anywhere it was right here right now, or nothing. In fact, the less done about it, the less thought, the less spoken in heated discussion, the cooler things remain the closer ones metabolism to the true inner reflection. May all find therein the Three Buddha Bodies. Should these words prove false may I explode spontaneously momentarily.

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    #5318910 - 02/20/06 08:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

gettinjiggy:
I forgot to add to the last post that eve compared the article to a RELIGION. The Sri was a man just like Jesus was that people built religions on.

The Christ plane and a direct experience with it has nothing to do with religion or any human other then the one having the direct experience with it.

Just for anyone who was confused by the derailment.

It is an ancient religion and if I remember correctly Hinduism branched off from the Sri Religion. It is interesting to learn about. I surely am not as knowledgeable as markos on the history of world religions. Religion has nothing to do with the article is all.




-----I'm not sure about this article not being some religion. If it is about experiencing something with cute jingoisms about erroneous and unprovable things like Ascensions and Christs and so on then it's at best some modernized association of mythologies and other New Agey stuff, and at worst it's simply a religion.


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