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anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms?
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well? terrence always touted that taking 5g+ doses of these shrooms in silent darkness would put you in contact with some sort of entity capable of being invovled in an active dialogue with you..

i've never felt this...

anyone talked to the shroom logos? the alien? like he talks about?

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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: dubbyah]
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Aren't there many entities in the higher doses?

I've never experienced it but i'm curious.

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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: Phishe]
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I have run into a dragon like being a few times. I have seen it as a metaphor of my ego.


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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: FlusH]
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I've met the end of the world as we know it on a high dose.


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hold her hand, you wanna dick her!" -Grace Slick's
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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: doctor_gonzo]
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how about elaborating a bit, you guys? eschatological visions are fairly vague, as is a dragon entity construed as egoic manifestation.

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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: doctor_gonzo]
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The logos are human, and they are alien(they are universal). They are the expression of dna, evolution and reality to a point where we dont usually understand it clearly.

These logos are timeless and have no end. They are real.

T Mckenna and dennise had some balls to have said what they did.

They sure as hell are/were not crazy.

I have experienced these voices(logos, and unheard of mental processes), and im not talking about some hallucination. They were long and drawn out experiences with "true" hallucinations. Anyone who thinks they are full of shit doesnt know the first thing about hallucinogens in my opinion.

I am to sleepy to talk much about it, but ya. I think the "voice" has an ambassador and is actually a collection of voices. They become you and they teach you things.

It sure as hell has a voice. What you get out of your interaction with this place is your own doing.

Logos are entities. You are the judge of how much they can deviate from you self as you know it. It just a brain and a chemical. It can do what T mckenna talk about. Not just because he is creative, but because he has the ability to experience some very amazing things. Some people who use hallucinogens will never really experience these so called "entities".

T mckenna had the know how to say the least.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (10/04/06 12:29 AM)

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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: dubbyah]
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I have a fairly hazy recollection of the trip, but I was convinced that the world as we know it was over. It's really not easy to explain. I can't even explain it to myself to be honest.


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"You're a fully grown man! Of course you don't wanna
hold her hand, you wanna dick her!" -Grace Slick's
response to The Beatles' "I Wanna Hold Your Hand".
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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: dubbyah]
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When I first saw the dragon, it was 6 hours into a 9 gram trip. That was the first trip over 1.5 grams, I did not know what I was in for.

The first 6 hours I had a great time. Walking around town with a close friend. Insane visuals. Tree's were cellophane, headlights from cars were purple floating orbs, etc. at the 5 hour mark we started talking about the state of society. That is when things started to get very introspective. My friend went to bed ( time being 4:30 in the morning ) and I went to my room to continue to trip out.

When I lay on my bed and turned off the lights I was still tripping very hard. I would get lost in CEV's. I then turned on the room lights, but the CEV's continued for several seconds. After doing this several times I became a bit scared that I may have damaged my brain and started to think about what I had in life and how I was not appreciating it.

I was going threw the typical ego loss. After I had gone threw some stressing moments, and getting more relaxed with what was going on I turned the lights back out and lay on the bed trying to get to sleep.

That is when I felt consumed by a strong being which I did not like. I saw in my CEV's a red dragon with green highlights circling around me. The image of it was very vivid. I cannot really describe what we were communicating with our self's, but it was very specific to how I was living my life. That is why I see it as a metaphor of my ego.

I have seen this being several times in later trips. Only when I trip to help deal with psychological issues that are bothering me I see him.

I don't know if that answers what you are looking for, but if you have any questions I can do my best to help out.


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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: doctor_gonzo]
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doctor_gonzo said:
I've met the end of the world as we know it on a high dose.


Oh man!!! I've been there too, it was insane. Everything felt like it was going towards singularity, and there were so many metaphors all around. Haha, i thought i had the answer, and i was about to walk up to a car marked "POLICE" and tell them what was up.

hehe thinkin back im glad i didn't

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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: yageman]
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I have encountered this voice on many occasions on high and low doses. Perhaps it only speaks to people who have good intentions and are looking for guidance and answers. It's clear that a lot of people are just looking for a good time.

The voice is always in my head, but I know it's not me because it says and suggests things that I am not capable of even thinking. At the same time, it is my true self that shares a connection with everything. It has always seemed to be collective. It is old and I have felt it was our ancestors, because it always says that humans have been doing this for thousands of years. It is wise. It seems to see right through me and the first hour always feels like judgement day.

On my last trip it suggested that it was the voice of nature, the collective soul. Modern humans have been looking for answers and other intelligences. Clearly we have been not been looking. It is all around us. While tripping everything becomes alive with intelligence and vibration. It's like you can get a glimpse of eternity and the one mind behind everything connecting us all. I have had profound lessons taught by bugs, trees, mushrooms, and animals.

Asking it questions is possible too, if you can find the sanity or courage too. It has told me about alchemy, energy, the self, ego, miracles, natural intelligence, chakras, and about bringing a positive change in the future.

The message it brings always points inwards. The journey outwards always starts inwards. Before outer changes can happen, we need to fix ourselves within. I am not my mind. Many answers lie beyond thought and egoistic based identity.

I have never really encountered or interacted with other entities. Once my brother and I heard the same incoherent voices shouting in the trees through a whole trip. The language was very alien, and it is clear that we were perceiving the same thing. I have also seen the serpentine like entity vaguely. It told me that my ego was fighting the experience and that I am still afraid of death and loosing my identity. Shortly after that I traveled through stars time and space and came too a portal where a green figure, wearing pink clothing, was looking out over a green landscape. It was feminine, alien, and yet I felt like we knew each other and shared something. As it turned around to look at me, I was filled with fear of never being able to return. I willed my self back. Other animals and humans creatures seem like entities too and you can communicate with them.

There are clearly a lot of mysteries, but I feel like everything is tied to our perception. There must be a way of navigating this realm. It's seems that my fear always stands in the way. All fear is ego, and it holds us back. Perhaps somebody has suggestions for conquering fear? If you don't understand me, it's okay, but there's no need for negative comments.


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I think therefore I am, but what comes before thought? Your true self.

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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: kaliyuga12]
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I have heard the voice as well I believe what would you like to know about it?


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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: Cactilove]
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What has it told you? What did you learn from it? What is the source for you? Was it positive? I'm very interested.


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I think therefore I am, but what comes before thought? Your true self.

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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: kaliyuga12]
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It talked to me most of the time through feeling as opposed to through words, it would whisper sometimes,"The archaic." it's hard for me to remember it's been so long. It told me to get in touch with my roots and nature, it told me I was nature, it told me I was was everything, it told me everything was god. If only I had written it down after it happened I could remember more, next time it happens I will write it down I my journal and in this thread.


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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: Cactilove]
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Wow, that's amazing. It says that to me all the time.

I've asked it how it communicates. Through energy. The same way you can tell someone's mood from a distance, especially if you know them well you can tell if they're hiding something or want to talk about something. Our bodies have a frame and outline in the physical realm, but our energy reaches out much further. So how do we translate this energy into word like happy, sad, or secretive. There is feeling as your nerves pick up energy sensations, and thought as they go to the brain and are processed into understandable data. I feel and see pictures before they translate into words or the logos. If someone says to you 1+1 you see a 2 in your brain before you say it. Try it. Essentially all language and communication is energy translated into action then translated back into energy, only it's not very effective because a lot is lost in translation because of differing perceptions.

Prior to this voice is always a sense of fear and judgement. It always feels like something bigger and overwhelming is coming and you can't hide. My ego just goes absolutely berserk with fear. It feels like you are being made transparent for all to see. Your possessions and status are all slowly stripped from you. I write things on my arm just to help me remember that it is all chemical, but it feels tooooo real. The last trip, I was in a forest and it felt like Hansel and Gretel. The hills were never ending and the trees all gnarly, old and menacing. I saw wild pigs. Usually when they see me they run away, but a whole heard of them, piglets and mothers, came close. The sows are very protective of their young and usually flee or if they're very threatened they can kill you. But they started coming closer and closer. They don't have very good sight, but believe me I was making noises for them to go away. They came closer and closer. It was like they could read me and I could feel their energy, they were very curious. Did they know? Eventually I moved and they fled, but they didn't go far, which is also very strange. Their squealing and snorting made me very afraid. I abandoned my plan to stay put and made for higher ground. Along the way the forest became darker and more alive with strange movements and sounds around me. The trees seemed to be reaching out for me. The mushrooms all seemed huge and bright. I saw two large deers with massive antlers. They galloped up the undulating hills. It was all so strange and menacing and you can't make it stop. I usually sing, but that wasn't helping because I thought that something might hear me and get me. This feeling stayed for an entire hour which is eternity. And the whole time you're saying, I'm never doing this again.

Then after an hour or when my ego finally gives it all stops. The voice speaks. It's so kind and loving, and it calms and soothes you from your wits end. It's not soft for me, it's as loud as my logos and is my logos. I speak to it in my logos and it answers me in my logos through the energy I mentioned earlier. This energy is part of everything. It tells me about the things I'm seeing, trees, bugs plants, noises, feelings, humanity, the past, the future, who I am, everything, and all at an amazing speed, and yet I can keep up. Usually I forget all my questions from sheer astonishment, so I write them on my arm. And it answers them. Before, I was having difficulty finding the energy points for my chakras, so this was one of my questions. I sat and meditated and it showed me every one and told me about them, and where I need to improve most, which is my heart chakra. Isn't that amazing? How can straight folks just pass that by? This is real knowledge. It is the tree of knowledge. It is seeing and believing. It's what we've always been looking for god, intelligence, and the self.

Then we say good bye and it's like parting with a very good, dear friend. And you ask yourself, "Why was I so afraid? I'm going to carry on doing this but not any time soon." After this big trip, the first thing I want to do is do something normal, like watch a movie. I think that is the ego trying to diverge our attention and plunge us back into our patterns. The ego wants to forget and go back to self destruction because it's easier and it's the only way it can survive. Life is suffering? Suffering is the ego.

The voice has told me to find my own roots and it has told me where they are. They are inside me and when you find them you see that they move outwards to everything else, connecting us all, and even the entire cosmos. Vast unimaginable space lies outside us and we know little of how far it goes beyond sight, but it is only a mirror of the vast spaces within us all.

The mushroom is my teacher and my tree of knowledge. It tells me to love myself more and to find my way out of suffering. It tells me that I am most afraid of death and more afraid of losing my identity. It tells me of the miracles of nature and how we are a part of it all, and that by loving it I am loving myself. Most importantly, it says that we are all capable of enlightenment and that we are free to move in the pattern irrespective of our genes or status. The path is set in the middle for every man to walk, and it starts inside us.

It's messages are always beautiful, and I wonder if it has ever done the same for others or if it was destructive?


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I think therefore I am, but what comes before thought? Your true self.

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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: kaliyuga12]
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The dragon god is real and chill as fuck. Beware any spirit that tells you to sacrifice parts of your brain to achieve enlightenment, they just don't get it.


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"But the man who comes back through the Door In The Wall will never be the same as the man who went out. He will be wiser but less cocksure, happier but less self-satisfied, humbler in acknowledging his ignorance yet better equipped to understand the relationship of words to things, of systematic reasoning to unfathomable mystery which it tries, forever vainly to comprehend."

-Aldous Huxley, Doors of Perception

Follow Jesus

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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: SagaciousCedar]
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This was the main reason I started re-experimenting with psychoactive substances - reported encounters of entities, especially with DMT.

And when I read about the similarity between the NN-DMT molocule and psilocybin well it was a no brainer.

Nothing to report so far!!


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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: SoapsGoinOnAtriP]
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Also I believe (although I have not read it) that the general gist of DMT the spirit molecule by Rick Strassman MD, is that DMT enables people to sometimes have interactions with possible intelligent entities .


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And to the members of course.

And to the dude who hacked Sheep or Silk, or anyone who can afford it please give me some of my money back!!

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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: kaliyuga12]
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Simply amazing, reads like an enchanting story.:awethumb:


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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: Cactilove]
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While peaking on 2.5 grams of mushrooms and smoking a breakthrough dose of DMT I came in direct contact with 'The Transcendental Object at the End of Time' as he calls it. He describes word for word my trip in the video below. He says it 'forms on the wall, its a hologramatic disk, part machine, part syntax'. This thing was either my soul, or an alien UFO. I listened to this for the first time after my trip, so i know it wasnt my subconscious creating the whole thing due to previous assumption.



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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: anyone ever heard the voice/entity contact terrence mckenna talked about on shrooms? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Sorry to bump this but i HAVE to tell about my extremely similar experience to so many of your accounts;

When i took 12 grams of psilocybin atlantis (highest i've ever taken and i consider this an heroic dose considering what i went through) .. at first i panicked my ass off, i felt i od'ed, i felt i was poisoned and (ofcourse to no avail) ran to the bathroom to forcefully puke out all the trufs i had just eaten.. i was slowly drifting into a cartoon seizure that im not sure any of you know of.. it might have been my personal hell, it might have been real hell.. but i had a distinct memory of fearing that place with every fiber in my body, and felt i had always feared it.. and all this during puking.. i saw entities laughing their ass off at me panicking, they laughed and laughed.. little faces consisting of nothing but eyes and mouth flashing in all colors of the rainbow so brightly i could not focus or make much sense,.. i ran back and forth to my pc looking up sites like "how to stop a psylocybin trip" thinking id stay in that mode the whole damn 4 hours.. everything on screen was moving, i couldnt read anything as everything kept moving around.. i then thought to call someone asking for antipsychotics (thank god i didnt) at this point my ego and body was shaking crazy but i heard something tell me to "calm down""youre always afraid, youve always been afraid, focus, listen" and i walked into the shower and put my ear against the showerhead and as water blasted the side of my face (i started this trip naked btw almost forgot to say because in a way i knew everything could happen and didnt want to ruin my clothes trying to pull them off)..
I literally saw this stretched out image of war, but 2d.. the cartoon seizure had gone but i was still trembling..

The voice (and ive talked with this inner voice for many years, not to be mistaken for hearing voices btw its not audible obv.) then said.. why dont you play for us..

So i walked into my bedroom as awilling slave to the voice picked up my guitar and played this piece (that i still can play) that started these images of dancing entities that looked like seeds and flowers running up and around.. Now heres a bit that i cant remember but at some point i chose to lay down on my bed with my guitar instead because my body was really starting to get hot (felt as if i had a nasty fever) and the trembling still continued..

Laying on my bed with some beachtowels on it as i just had taken a shower i kept playing sessions of that song and pulling forth more and more worlds.. while having discussions with this voice constantly nursing me, reassuring me.. i kept thinking about my body and if it was breathing right.. during this i kept yawning again and again, and i mean DEEP yawns.. the voice told me in rhyme (everything kept rhyming, words that just dont rhyme even rhymed.. it was like being in a dr seuzz book i swear, even things I said/asked back rhymed even when i wasnt trying, these things just had a way on its own..
There was this giant purple chameleon dragon with appendixes on its head speaking a language i had never heard but made sense. It showed me other dragons and said 'isnt this what you wanted' "you asked for this"I asked it.. "are you god" and it replied "i am a different god" "but focus, and be active, you have been slacking" then i felt like i was dieing.. and this membrane came along. I floated against the ceiling of it. In fact i wasnt actually concious about this dieing but more in hindsight i realised i had been died, the voice told me so even that they brought me back, at this point i was more worrying about if i would ever be the same.. it said i was a hero and nothing that i would find in my life would ever amount as bad as what i had been through at the start of it all with the cartoon hell.. and death could only equal. It told me there was a danger of going there if i was a bad boy and i should keep myself in check. It spelled pure chaos to me to begin with and i kindof felt like it was a religious moment that spelled out the threat of hell to those who sin or something.

But it still wasnt over, In another session i was engulfed in this intergalactic living spaceship of pure green energy like a blob of plantsap with a mind of its own..it told me it was healing me in ways, that it set my head right, literally cured me.. I was so sad when it flew off after it was done, i waved it goodbye and was left in empty space for a while.

The voice returned and as i started worrying it repeated itself when my fear took over again, and again; "no more fear", "those things dont matter" "just listen" "focus" "create things and be active" "you know these things, you annoy us, do not play around with us, you know what we can do"

It was like a stern father smacking you down if you spoke up to it in misplaced boldness. But it was fair and like mckenna said; "it favors the brave" It rewarded me greatly for sticking with the trip rather than running away. Even when i felt like the whole chaotic epileptic cartoon hell had this kind of "awwwww" feeling to it when i discarded it in fear.. heck even that hellish place told me they had set this all up just for me and it was such a shame..

Perhaps we choose our own trip and with it our own fate.. and somehow the outcome, the teachings.. will be the same.

Something weird during this trip was they kept reassuring me that my body was fine as i kept worrying about it by literally stroking my own hand over my chest, it told me it could move my body like a puppet just the same i could and they had my body covered, thats all the subconscious works of the body.. they said they were guardians, and that all that mattered was focus, they were very protective. They sometimes let me open my bodily eyes and look at the clock and after an eternity of talking and showing me wonderous things only 5 minutes had passed.. according to them time was complete bogus, time just stands still when you're idle, and goes when you're busying yourself with labor.. during this trip i could see through time, i could talk in the past and predict the future in their rhymespeech sometimes.
Heck they even shut off my brain for a moment and i could feel it.
But as i worried about the trip wearing off i asked them quickly in this state of impossible being that i existed as.. i would not be able to bear it.. or rather my brain wouldnt, at this point i feared my brain more than my death-like state. But it told me "weve got that covered" "your mind will be closed like a blind" "just like a helmet"
Id be like "but i will remember, heck if i remember a fraction of this i would go mad, id never be the same.." and it would respond "you will remember only what happened, you wont remember the way that it felt"
But i couldnt even fathom that, there was no way that could be so..
And yes here i sit and can only tell you what has happened, have no idea what it felt like..

I wanted to share this with you people just because you're all so experienced with this aswell and wonder if anyone recognices it.

One more thing btw.. i have horrendous memory capacity but today i visited my mother and when sitting in her garden i thought back on yesterday 'before the trip. And i swear i could go through the entire day in such detail i could even remember everything that i had heard and said from start till the moment i took the psilocybin. Perhaps that has to do with the dear intergalactic doctor spaceship that worked on my head.

Thank you/all who read this and are kind enough to respond with their thoughts. I dont know if i will ever do such a whole-package trip again, somehow it terrifies me and in another sense it feels natural (just not to the body, its pure torment on the body)
-Daniel.


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Talked with the giant purple chameleon dragon, the green leafbed membrane and the intergalactic doctor-spaceship. Got terrorized by cartoon hell aswell. all in one trip.

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