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Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS.
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These were found in the mountains near the continental divide in Colorado yesterday. They were all in the vicinity of tree roots. I have no way of telling whether or not these are the good kind or if they are poisonous. Please let me know what info you need to 100% verify the id of these mushrooms.











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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ymhrswrider]
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They look like A. muscaria to me. I feel pretty safe IDing the red variety because there are fewer look-a-likes. Nice finds.

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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: shroomydan]
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So the EROWID website said that these have to be dried at a certain temp (between 170-210degF?) in order to produce the cemicals I want. Is that really the case or should I be drying these like cubes?


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ymhrswrider]
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Also, can I get a second opinion on the id of these to make me feel all warm and fuzzy.


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ymhrswrider]
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ymhrswrider said:
Also, can I get a second opinion on the id of these to make me feel all warm and fuzzy.


Dan gave you an ID there is no reason he knows his shit!


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: YESSUP]
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I'm sure he does, just want to double check before I kill myself thanks.


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: YESSUP]
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The lighter cap all of the way to the right in the first picture looks like a differnt amanita don't eat that one!


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: Montanahunter420]
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I did try the cooking them thing in the oven when I consumed amantia's. I didn't have too much nausea and had a hard trip. Just a warning it's far differnt then a shroom trip.


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: Montanahunter420]
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According to what I've read, the caps will lose their color quickly with age and direct sunlight. The patch I found that one in was full of mature fruits that also were in the sunlight.


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ymhrswrider]
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It's always good to ask for second opinions, especially when dealing with a genus that contain deadly mushrooms.

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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ymhrswrider]
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It's the one in the bottom right corner of the first picture that makes me nervous. The faded orange ones look ok but I would be worried about consuming the brownish colored one. I've been looking in my spot where Amanita muscaria var. formosa grow almost every year and have found two differnt brown amanita species in the same spot. It's very possible the cap faded lighter on that speciman but it also is possible another species of amanita's that looked similar where growing with the Amanita muscarias . I personally wouldn't chance eating that one just to be safe. Here is a good spot to look at the differn't species of amanita's http://www.mushroomexpert.com/amanita.html


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: Montanahunter420]
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jeverden has made a very good point. I hope it is not ignored. He may only have 35 posts, but he seems to know a bit about A. muscaria.

It looks like you have a hefty amount of A. muscaria, and it wouldn't hurt to throw that one out. Besides, it doesn't look all that hot anyways.

Also, even A. muscaria can be harmful. The chemicals target your nervous system, and should be taken very seriously.

It seems to me (since you asked for second opinions, and seem to be researching) that you know what you are doing, but you should absulutely learn all you can learn about a species of mushroom before comsuming it.

Later.

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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: psiclops]
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Since I find thousands of amanitas without any hassel I try to make sure I get only the best quality specimens. Perhaps 1/2 of the ones I find are faded, and while I'm sure they are muscaria I just leave them be. Since you have quite a few I would turf that bottom right browny one just to be totally safe.

I am sure that the redness indicates strength- well actually its more yellow under the skin that important, but red specimens seem to have this feature.

I have had a few run ins with eating amanitas - definately dry them till cracker dry, powder and drink in water OR if you have loads of them bake them and collect the yellow ooze that drips out - looks kinda like really bright olive oil.

I have noticed a large difference between strains etc, also due to the time of year. There are two major classes I put them in - very large warts that are very red, and small less numerous warts that are less intensly coloured. These varients probably originate from the different continents - with the european ones being the best (based on anecdotal evidence).

I believe I have found (here in New Zealand) the American varient, and have found a lot of nausea with little activity. My friends have had very strong experiences though - so its luck of the draw unfortunately. Yours look to be the american strain, but they look more potent than the ones I find.

The amanitas here have quite a different look those - yours seem the same colour but much bulkier, its kinda hard to explain. :grin:

Good luck with them!

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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ymhrswrider]
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I'm from Colorado also, and those appear to be A. muscaria var. flavivolvata, which is the most common variety here.

I also agree with the idea of throwing out the really faded specimen. These mushrooms can rot and produce poisoning other than the toxins you are desiring.

My biggest piece of advice on eating them is that you take a very small dose the first time. You will still have enough to feel the effects, but not so much that you'll need to visit an emergency room if they're bad. Almost everybody I know who have tried these mushrooms have said they wouldn't try them again. You can always take a larger dose next time if decide there should be a next time.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ToxicMan]
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Hmmm....Well that doesn't sound good. I would love to try these but ToxicMan seems to hit a point I've heard alot. Not many people seem to really like these. Well if I do keep these I'll get rid of the faded one for sure. For those of you who have tried them, would your opinion be that it is a waste of time to try these or worth it in your opinion. Just hypothetically of course.


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ymhrswrider]
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In the pyschedelic experience forum, just search for muscaria. You'll get a list of posts, some of which discuss the experience that others had and occassionally the aftermath of such an experience. Everyone is unique and you should consider that you may not have the same experience that others have had. I think it really takes a person looking for a spiritual journey to appreciate what it has to offer them and I don't speak from personnal experience. From what I gather, there is nearly a 50-50 split from those that would try it again and those that wouldn't.


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: baycafe]
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Alright guys i just wanna tell you my experience with muscaria. I tried it once and honestly it didn't make me trip at all just made me feel kidna relaxed and tired, hell it might not of even done that i could of just been calm natrually. I ate about 2 big mushrooms fresh so maybee it wasnt enuff you tell me? Anyways i'm from Michigan And Amanita Muscaria(formosa) is extremely commen in the fall time. for any other michiganders who seek to find them just look under blue spruce pine trees i promise you wont go wrong lol. Well just putting my input in on them and they taste nasty as hell so i don't know if i'll try them again. Anyone else from michigan had any descent experience with amanita var formosa? oh yeah and michigans are a lil different there bright orange with white dots sometimes a bit red or a nice round reddish in the middle After all they are Formosa and thast what the muscaia formosa looks like
mitch. A
Ps. if anyone has a good experience with Muscaria from michigan please let me know, for i only tried it once and would try it again maybee the 2 fresh mushies i ate just wasn't enuff beats me

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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ymhrswrider]
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It's worth noting that, in Colorado, A. muscaria and A. pantherina together account for the majority of mushroom poisoning cases that end up in emergency rooms. We also have Chlorophyllum molybdites here, and it's in second place.

If you search you will also find accounts by people who claim to enjoy these Amanitas.


My experience in talking with people who have tried them is about 95% definitely didn't like it and about 5% say they do. Obviously, YMMV.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ToxicMan]
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Well back in the day when reading up on legal ways to get high - (we were all there once :grin: ) my friends and I decided to try amanitas. We cooked them fresh (bad thing to do)spewed, and everyone but me had a good time.

They seem to be a mixed bag - I'm a very weak stomach, and I have had nothing but a slight calming effect, while others have seen fire-works exploding off peoples faces. From what I picked up - if you can get on "the buzz" of amanitas, it's really good/fun, otherwise you just feel sick.

If you dry these cracker dry, eating them is easy, they loose all their flavour, and you can just eat the powder straight or in OJ or something.
I would suggest giving them a try - my friends found them really really good, after the nausea at the start. If you can, take them and have a nap, and arrange to be woken up about 1 1/2 hours after ingestion. That way you avoid the nausea, and wake up in the dream like state that seems to be where you want to get to.

Worst case scenario you are sick for a few hours, best case you have an amazing time. Dont worry too much about the poisoning aspect - remember that is hospital admitions - ie people take unknown mushrooms and feel sick so they freak and rush to ER.
Taking 2-3 caps is fine, A. pantherina is a different story - its ten times more potent.
People are scared by these because they are the "deadly toadstools" when in real life there are real ones to worry about. In Japan these are actually eaten for food!

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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: Feelers]
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So what would be a safe way to rule out these being poisoness? How low of a dose could I take to not receive a significant amount of poison but still be able to tell if they are active?


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: Chiefbluntsmoker]
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Chiefbluntsmoker said:
Alright guys i just wanna tell you my experience with muscaria. I tried it once and honestly it didn't make me trip at all just made me feel kidna relaxed and tired, hell it might not of even done that i could of just been calm natrually. I ate about 2 big mushrooms fresh so maybee it wasnt enuff you tell me? Anyways i'm from Michigan And Amanita Muscaria(formosa) is extremely commen in the fall time. for any other michiganders who seek to find them just look under blue spruce pine trees i promise you wont go wrong lol. Well just putting my input in on them and they taste nasty as hell so i don't know if i'll try them again. Anyone else from michigan had any descent experience with amanita var formosa? oh yeah and michigans are a lil different there bright orange with white dots sometimes a bit red or a nice round reddish in the middle After all they are Formosa and thast what the muscaia formosa looks like
mitch. A
Ps. if anyone has a good experience with Muscaria from michigan please let me know, for i only tried it once and would try it again maybee the 2 fresh mushies i ate just wasn't enuff beats me


May experience wasn't excellent but it was decent. I was at a keg party that my friend was throwing. Before the party we cooked the mushrooms in the oven 170 or 200 degreses something like that I read it somewhere anyways I ate maybe 3 smaller amanita m in chocolate milk with the juice from a few extra ones we didn't eat. After 30 mins nothing happened. I drank a beer or two and all of the sudden I felt wasted. I feel asleep outside. This was very unusual usually I drink a 6-12 pack at least and can still function somewhat. Woke up sometime later with some visual hallications, but more hearing distortions than anything. I remember everything having a yellow glow to it and having a extremely good feeling throughout my body that lasted for some time. I didn't experience any sickness or anything so all and all I say it wasn't too bad from what I had previously read. This was almost 4 years ago I look forward to tring it again sometime. The variety was Amanita Muscaria var formosa the orange ones. This is just my input and personal experience and I am not suggesting someone ingest something considered to be poisonus.


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: Montanahunter420]
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I think there is quite a bit of confusion about the poisonous facts with muscaria's. The majority of the public think these are dealdy poisonous - and if 'little Timmy' tells his mum he ate a red mushroom with white spots and is feeling sick hospital will be the first port of call.

Certanly they are poisonous as say alcohol is, ohh just found a good little bit of info on this very subject... :grin:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info7.shtml

5 caps is considered a strong dose, I dont think anyone would say that the amount of chemicals present in a normal dose of 2-3 shrooms would be considered at all dangerous. But with any drug there is a danger associated with unusual individual reactions.

Only 1 death attributed to A. muscaria - an old frail man who ate 24 mushrooms. An intense way to die I imagine.  :runaway:

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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: Feelers]
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That particular fatality was due to misidentification as well as the large dose. The old man thought he was eating Amanita caeasarea and had 24 caps for breakfast. A few hours later he suffered seizures and died.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ToxicMan]
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I was actually talking about how to verify that these are not Amanita phalloides and Amanita virosa. The concensus is that these are in fact
Amanita muscaria. But before I put down 3 grams of them I would like to know if there is a way to test the mushrooms in order to 100% verify that they are not poisoness. I was wondering if a small dose, maybe a gram, was taken, what kind of danger would I be in if they were misidentified. What kind of effects would I expect if they were poisoness? What kind of effect would I expect if I took that small of a doses and it was Amanita muscaria? Thanks for all the info guys. I know I'm beating a dead horse, I just want to make 100% sure I'm not heading to the hospital.


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ymhrswrider]
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For sure it's not Amanita phalloides. The warts present is not a feature of this mushroom along with many other things including color(not as important) and the base of the stem. Take a look
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/amanita_phalloides.html

I had more trouble finding Amanita virosa but here is except from another site Amanita virosa: This pure white species with its deep membranous volva (cup surrounding the base) is deadly poisonous.
Here is that url http://www.mushrooms-millers.com/pages/poisonous_mushrooms/amanita_virosa.htm
Your species isn't pure white and also has warts. This excludes that worry but just because I wasn't completely familiar with the site I cross referenced it at mushroom expert. Apparently Amanita virosa is another name for Amanita bisporigera Aka The Destroying Angel . Here is the link to that page http://www.mushroomexpert.com/sitemap.html that shows the relationship between Amanita bisporigera and Amanita virosa. Here is the link to the Amanita bisporigera page http://www.mushroomexpert.com/amanita_bisporigera.html this again isn't what you have because it is a pure white species and doesn't have warts and the base is not the same. I am no expert but from the research I have completed on Amanita muscaria for myself and what I have recently done for you I am confident you have Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata . I understand you concern in getting a correct Id because of the potential for poisoning or death for an incorrect id in a amanita species. As shroomydan put it
shroomydan said:
They look like A. muscaria to me. I feel pretty safe IDing the red variety because there are fewer look-a-likes. Nice finds.


He seems to be very competent in his mushroom identification so I think it's completely safe to say you have Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata . As for a low dose I'm not quite sure I have never tried a low dose. It wouldn't hurt to be safe and take the extra precaution. I not sure if the experience will be comparable to a full dose or not. Well enjoy and good luck on your trip if you decide to take it!


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Edited by Montanahunter420 (07/30/06 02:26 PM)

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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: Montanahunter420]
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Thanks so much guys. Well I give it a try and get back to you. Also, I have heard different opinions on dosage from 3g to 20g. What is the average does of dried mushrooms.


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: ymhrswrider]
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Here is the dosage calculator. Unfortunately it doesn't have any information on Amanitas since it is not considered a "Magic Mushroom".


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Re: Possible Amanita muscaria found. Need ID. Have PICS. [Re: baycafe]
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Just so you know what you are looking for (you do, but this is just for info's sake) when IDing Amanita muscaria,

-Annulus (Ring) around the middle/top of the stem kinda like a skirt like so.....

Red with white spots, sometimes yellow cap depending on what type of muscaria you are looking at - the yellow ones are harder to ID as there are some poisonous lookalikes.

Basal bulb, with shaggy concentric rings....

Just realsied mushroomexpert had this already up for ID
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The defining features of the Amanita muscaria species group are:

    * The presence of warts on the cap;
    * The presence of a ring on the upper stem;
    * Concentric zones of shaginess at the top of the swollen stem base.



Now as for dosage - I'd suggest 2-3 medium caps. Or maybe two slightly larger ones with/without stems included.
Say in your first picture - the bottom left one, and the two at the back slightly to the right of middle. The stems are probably equivalent to 1/2 (perhaps less) of a cap, all the actives are concentrated in the yellow stuff just under the red skin of the cap.

Let us know how it goes :grin:

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Re: Is it Amanita Muscaria? [Re: Feelers]
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Can I be 100% sure all of these are fly agarics? Last 3 look unusual. I'm not an expert so I'm not sure if that's just their aging process. I found them all at one place, maybe 10-15 square meters large.
The last one looks same as 2 previous ones from pics (orange cap with very little white dots).

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/p2610111143.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/p261011114001.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/p2610111141.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/p2610111140.jpg/

Edited by Balvan (10/26/11 12:25 PM)

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Re: Is it Amanita Muscaria? [Re: Balvan]
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The 1st one is. 3rd could be a variety but is too jacked up to tell. 2 & 4 look nothing like Fly Agarics!


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Re: Is it Amanita Muscaria? [Re: FoxDie]
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FoxDie said:
The 1st one is. 3rd could be a variety but is too jacked up to tell. 2 & 4 look nothing like Fly Agarics!


This thread is five years old, Im sure those mushrooms are long gone.

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Re: Is it Amanita Muscaria? [Re: FoxDie]
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the 2nd and 4th are exactly the same as the 3rd one. I thought at first they were old and rotting. BUt i can't be quite sure.

All of these on last 3 pics have orange cap with litle white dots. And stem characteristic for amanita muscaria...

Edited by Balvan (10/26/11 01:18 PM)

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Re: Is it Amanita Muscaria? [Re: The Influence]
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:facepalm: noobs FTW


The Influence said:
FoxDie said:
The 1st one is. 3rd could be a variety but is too jacked up to tell. 2 & 4 look nothing like Fly Agarics!


This thread is five years old, Im sure those mushrooms are long gone.


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Re: Is it Amanita Muscaria? [Re: The Influence]
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Influence: first off, I responded to a RECENT post in a thread that WAS ancient. Look when the previous poster posted... TODAY!

Forgive me for having good eyesight. The 4th pic looks bright fucking white... even the cap. Calling me a "noob" when making an observation on a handful of crappy pics is not helping anyone.


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Re: Is it Amanita Muscaria? [Re: FoxDie]
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FoxDie said:
Influence: first off, I responded to a RECENT post in a thread that WAS ancient. Look when the previous poster posted... TODAY!

Forgive me for having good eyesight. The 4th pic looks bright fucking white... even the cap. Calling me a "noob" when making an observation on a handful of crappy pics is not helping anyone.


Then he should start his own thread for a mushroom id. Again the thread is five years old. If no one responds to him maybe he will get the idea? :shrug:

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Re: Is it Amanita Muscaria? [Re: FoxDie]
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yeah, pics are pretty crappy I must admit...
Nevertheless it has white stem and white under-cap. Surface of the cap is orange with quite little white dots.
I found them and the first one at the same place, same conditions, etc.
Isn't there probability they ARE both fly agarics but in different stages of growth? Little red ones and big rotting orange ones.
I also checked the look of undercap of both of the mushrooms, and they are pretty much the same. It just looks defferent with this last pic because it has taken some flower-like form.

Edited by Balvan (10/26/11 01:38 PM)

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Re: Is it Amanita Muscaria? [Re: Balvan]
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Post an your own id request instead of reviving someone elses 5 year old thread. And fill it out properly i.e. location, habitat etc.

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Re: Is it Amanita Muscaria? [Re: The Influence]
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So its better to create a new thread? Good to know.


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