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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Our Universe, right or wrong.
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If you take one step back from your human perspective, to try and see a truth greater than ours, which statement do you feel does most apply to the Universe, and all that is in it?

I chose The Pub as a forum without specific spiritual bias.
Gazing at the Universe..
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 07/12/06 10:51 AM until the end of time

View the results of this poll



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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
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I find great fault with this poll, there is one necessary option missing from it:

That "right" and "wrong" are subjective terms that exist independent of the universe as a whole. One might say that, feeling this way, I should vote for the yin/yang option, but that still implies that Right and Wrong exist.

They don't, beyond a personal philosophical scope.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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this is a great poll...I tend to think we're always in perfect balance because without the balance we don't exist

but thats just my views on things right now :laugh:

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
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how can you base whats right or wrong in our universe

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
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I get the feeling that there is something not right, somewhere.

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: HarvestTheBrain]
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HarvestTheBrain said:
how can you base whats right or wrong in our universe


This is my point. He asks us to look beyond our human perspective and decide if the universe is right or wrong. Yet human perspective is where right and wrong exist.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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i think no. 1 has a better view on the subject than us earth bound misfits!

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
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There is nothing ultimately right or wrong about the universe itself. However, I believe that identifying with our physical reality is erroneous, and that we often go wrong in forgetting that we are spirit, not body.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Quote:
I find great fault with this poll, there is one necessary option missing from it:

That "right" and "wrong" are subjective terms that exist independent of the universe as a whole. One might say that, feeling this way, I should vote for the yin/yang option, but that still implies that Right and Wrong exist.

They don't, beyond a personal philosophical scope.



Thats not a fault, its deliberately baked into the pie :wink:
If it doesnt exist beyond the personal philosophical scope, it will be either of the three extremes. (100% 50% 0%)
Thanks for clarifying your stance, but its intended to be like this  ^_^


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
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Yeah, right and wrong is a human perception.
Take away human perception and you don't even have a poll, or at least not one that's answerable.

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
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All is as it is and should be.

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
If it doesnt exist beyond the personal philosophical scope, it will be either of the three extremes. (100% 50% 0%)



No...no it won't. :smirk:


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Cuz, like, the Universe is just life. Life doesn't judge, life just is. So it's an easy way out to say well because of that Right and Wrong are in balance in the universe. But no...even if all of life is in balance, it still doesn't necessarily mean that Right and Wrong exist.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
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There is no "right" and "wrong", aside from our Human existence.

All is "well" in the Cosmos - all is as it "should" be....because this is the only way it can be. :wink:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: trendal]
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*Right* and *wrong* only deal with human morals, not the ultimate plan of existance.

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
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the universe tends to unfold as it should :smile:

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: evolprim]
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Why does it have to be right or wrong? That really doesn't mean anything. It is what it is.

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: thatiAM]
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:thumbup:

I don't think it matters how it "should" be. Who is to determine how the events of this universe should unfold? To me, the universe is how it is right now, and that is neither good nor bad, it just is.

Also, how are we to determine whether our universe is right or wrong, when all we have is a limited knowledge of our own world, and a miniscule knowledge about anything beyond our world?

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
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It's a particle, it's a wave, it's a string... it's all of them?!!

That has to be wrong!!! :tongue:


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I find your lack of faith disturbing

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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Konnrade]
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haha I just realized the art involved in this pole ...clever wiccan :wink:

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