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Our Universe, right or wrong.
    #5850452 - 07/12/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If you take one step back from your human perspective, to try and see a truth greater than ours, which statement do you feel does most apply to the Universe, and all that is in it?

I chose The Pub as a forum without specific spiritual bias.
Gazing at the Universe..
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (07/12/06 10:51 AM) to (No end specified)
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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #5850457 - 07/12/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I find great fault with this poll, there is one necessary option missing from it:

That "right" and "wrong" are subjective terms that exist independent of the universe as a whole. One might say that, feeling this way, I should vote for the yin/yang option, but that still implies that Right and Wrong exist.

They don't, beyond a personal philosophical scope.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5850481 - 07/12/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

this is a great poll...I tend to think we're always in perfect balance because without the balance we don't exist

but thats just my views on things right now :laugh:


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #5850488 - 07/12/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

how can you base whats right or wrong in our universe


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5850489 - 07/12/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I get the feeling that there is something not right, somewhere.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: HarvestTheBrain]
    #5850491 - 07/12/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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HarvestTheBrain said:
how can you base whats right or wrong in our universe




This is my point. He asks us to look beyond our human perspective and decide if the universe is right or wrong. Yet human perspective is where right and wrong exist.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5850496 - 07/12/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i think no. 1 has a better view on the subject than us earth bound misfits!


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #5850503 - 07/12/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There is nothing ultimately right or wrong about the universe itself. However, I believe that identifying with our physical reality is erroneous, and that we often go wrong in forgetting that we are spirit, not body.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5850509 - 07/12/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

I find great fault with this poll, there is one necessary option missing from it:

That "right" and "wrong" are subjective terms that exist independent of the universe as a whole. One might say that, feeling this way, I should vote for the yin/yang option, but that still implies that Right and Wrong exist.

They don't, beyond a personal philosophical scope.





Thats not a fault, its deliberately baked into the pie :wink:
If it doesnt exist beyond the personal philosophical scope, it will be either of the three extremes. (100% 50% 0%)
Thanks for clarifying your stance, but its intended to be like this  ^_^


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #5850538 - 07/12/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, right and wrong is a human perception.
Take away human perception and you don't even have a poll, or at least not one that's answerable.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #5850551 - 07/12/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

All is as it is and should be.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #5850581 - 07/12/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
If it doesnt exist beyond the personal philosophical scope, it will be either of the three extremes. (100% 50% 0%)





No...no it won't. :smirk:


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5850583 - 07/12/06 11:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Cuz, like, the Universe is just life. Life doesn't judge, life just is. So it's an easy way out to say well because of that Right and Wrong are in balance in the universe. But no...even if all of life is in balance, it still doesn't necessarily mean that Right and Wrong exist.


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-Erik Davis


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #5850597 - 07/12/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There is no "right" and "wrong", aside from our Human existence.

All is "well" in the Cosmos - all is as it "should" be....because this is the only way it can be. :wink:


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: trendal]
    #5850608 - 07/12/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

*Right* and *wrong* only deal with human morals, not the ultimate plan of existance.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #5850627 - 07/12/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the universe tends to unfold as it should :smile:


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: evolprim]
    #5850650 - 07/12/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Why does it have to be right or wrong? That really doesn't mean anything. It is what it is.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: thatiAM]
    #5850683 - 07/12/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

I don't think it matters how it "should" be. Who is to determine how the events of this universe should unfold? To me, the universe is how it is right now, and that is neither good nor bad, it just is.

Also, how are we to determine whether our universe is right or wrong, when all we have is a limited knowledge of our own world, and a miniscule knowledge about anything beyond our world?


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Asante]
    #5850976 - 07/12/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's a particle, it's a wave, it's a string... it's all of them?!!

That has to be wrong!!! :tongue:


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Konnrade]
    #5850989 - 07/12/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

haha I just realized the art involved in this pole ...clever wiccan :wink:


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Konnrade]
    #5850994 - 07/12/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think it is important to think about what's right and wrong in your world, because that gives you some incentive to change it. If you just sit back and say, "I have no control, things are how they are." it tends to lead to complacency. Also, I think that the universe really can be right or wrong, if you choose to see it that way. Really what it boils down to is, how do you see the space you inhabit?


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: NobodyCares]
    #5851094 - 07/12/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When looking at things in the scope of the universe, what we do here on Earth isn't even a pimple on the ass of the entire universe. I think it is a bit egocentric to say things in the universe are going wrong or right just based on things going about on our planet.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Redstorm]
    #5851324 - 07/12/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The universe obeys physical laws. How can this be right or wrong?

Sure, we don't understand everything yet (if ever), and there might be something fundamentally wrong with how we understand the universe, but it's not like the universe is doing anything but obeying its own laws.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: razorbladeshoes]
    #5851507 - 07/12/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

we got a google of years to debate, unless we don't make it off this damn planet within 5 billion years. OF which we're fucked anyways, and who knows which asteroid the size of uranus comes flyin our way like a bat outta hell. Then comes the dragon, oh yes that god damn dragon of fate fuckin black hole of which is the big asshole of space that not even light dare pass.

we're fucked, that's it.

so.... it's fate, not virtue of right or wrong.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5851518 - 07/12/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
Cuz, like, the Universe is just life. Life doesn't judge, life just is. So it's an easy way ....





Couldnt be more wrong


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Jalruza]
    #5851523 - 07/12/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:flowstone:


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5851533 - 07/12/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Commander, sir, Geordi just came to me with an idea for mutiny. He says that old fart Picard does not know a plasma-port from a dilithium control matrix.

I tried to speak to Worf about the subject, as he is the Chief of Security, but he was too busy attempting to mate with an Altarian battle-axe.

What should I do, sir?


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5851536 - 07/12/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I voted for the last choice.

Entropy is wrong.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: d33p]
    #5851540 - 07/12/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

How exactly can entropy be "wrong"? :wtf:


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: d33p]
    #5851542 - 07/12/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The first and third options are the same thing.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Silversoul]
    #5851558 - 07/12/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
There is nothing ultimately right or wrong about the universe itself. However, I believe that identifying with our physical reality is erroneous, and that we often go wrong in forgetting that we are spirit, not body.




I think its erronious to believe that you are not your body.

Spirit resides in everything, and our body is a vessel for many amazing organized cellular and electical processes... I think Spirit is a really clever scapegoat, even though i am often forced to classify myself as a spiritulist!

But what i can feel and what i can think and what i believe are all just as illusory as the last. We are body.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: trendal]
    #5851573 - 07/12/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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trendal said:
How exactly can entropy be "wrong"? :wtf:




Because i said so and you're all just a figment of my immagination.

But serriously, the original gravitational singularity was god.

The universe is blasphemy.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: Todcasil]
    #5851583 - 07/12/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

where u live now casilvania.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: 0xYg3n]
    #5851676 - 07/12/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

creepy internet stalker!!!

same place ive always lived OxYg3n :blush:


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: trendal]
    #5852411 - 07/12/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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trendal said:
How exactly can entropy be "wrong"? :wtf:




I think it's a joke...Hehe.  F U entropy  :mad:

If it weren't for all this entropy, I'd finally be able to get that new car I've always wanted.


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: thatiAM]
    #5852915 - 07/12/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If it weren't for all this entropy, I'd finally be able to get that new car I've always wanted.

If it weren't for all this entropy, that new car you've always wanted wouldn't even exist :wink:


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Re: Our Universe, right or wrong. [Re: trendal]
    #5857453 - 07/14/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Foiled again! Noooooooooooooooooo!


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