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Offlinewingnutx
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German report: Palestinians likely killed Gaza boy
    #583752 - 03/19/02 11:57 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

German TV report: Palestinians likely killed Gaza boy
By Allison Kaplan Sommer and Herb Keinon


JERUSALEM (March 20) - A German documentary producer who thoroughly investigated the killing of a Palestinian boy a year-and-a-half ago said yesterday it is "much more likely" 12-year-old Muhammad ad-Dura was killed by Palestinian gunmen, and not by Israeli soldiers.

Dura was shot to death in a Gaza Strip crossfire on September 30, 2000, while crouching for safety with his father. The incident was filmed by the France2 television network, and the pictures had a dramatic impact on the public perception of Israel's use of force, with the IDF widely accused of killing the boy.

The video footage of Dura and his father crouching in an alley as bullets whizzed passed them, and then the bleeding dying boy cradled in his father's arms provoked international outrage when it was broadcast.

The documentary aired Sunday night on the German television station ARD.

In an interview with IBA English News, producer Esther Shapira said the purpose of the series was to "understand the truth behind the pictures we see on television." She said that going into the project initially, "I thought it was clear it was an Israeli who fired the shot since we were talking about a Palestinian boy."

She said that the questions she meant to ask was why Israeli soldiers were killing children and how deliberate the shooting had been.

But as she began to delve into the incident, serious doubts were raised as to whether it had been Israeli and not Palestinian gunfire that killed the boy.

She said forensic evidence showed Dura had been shot either from in front or from above, the direction from which the Palestinian gunmen had been firing. For it to have been IDF fire that killed him, the shot would have had to enter from the side.

"According to our findings, it is much more likely it was a Palestinian bullet, not an Israeli bullet, that killed him," Shapira said.

Israel expressed its regrets for the tragic incident, though an IDF investigation did not prove conclusively who shot Dura.

The documentary also did not unequivocally conclude one way or the other, but did ask enough questions to leave the viewer with doubts about the conventional wisdom.

Among the questions raised were who had an interest in killing the boy; whether France2, which filmed the incident, released all the footage in its possession; whether it was possible to hit Dura from where the soldiers were positioned; where are the bullets taken from the boy's body; why did the Palestinians not investigate the incident; and who ordered the footage broadcast continuously on Palestinian television.

Daniel Shek, director of the Foreign Ministry's European Division, said the documentary is "very significant" because it leaves doubt.

"I have all along had a problem with the unbearable certainty of some who had no doubt who was responsible. I think doubt is healthy, and that even if you have a camera on the spot, you can not be sure you are seeing everything," he said.

Shek said he is "modest in his expectations" of whether this documentary will change the way people view Dura's death.

"Muhammad ad-Dura will remain part of the intifada's mythology, and it will not matter what kind of proof you bring to the contrary," he said.

"I hope this will impact a little on the self righteousness of some media organizations, and give journalists room for some self-questioning."

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Re: German report: Palestinians likely killed Gaza boy [Re: wingnutx]
    #583759 - 03/20/02 12:06 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck that palestinian kid. Fuck them all. They always go bitching like "The israeli soldier killed my boy" but they don't say the boy was threatening to kill a whole room full of people with a bomb strapped to his chest. They sit there and throw rocks at israeli soldiers, and then they bitch when they die. If you don't wanna get shot stop throwing fucking rocks you fucking morons! I hope the israelies kill them all. I hate all these pc motherfuckers who say shit like "palestinians are good people. You can't judge a whole culture on the actions of a few." Well if they are such good people is it just coincidence that everywhere they are in the world there are problems?


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Re: German report: Palestinians likely killed Gaza boy [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #584174 - 03/20/02 01:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I suppose if someone came and took over your home and sent you to live in a refugee camp you would just say: "OK, thats cool, Ill just live in squalor and poverty forever. Yeh right. The palestinans take on tanks with stones and slingshots. They have bigger balls than any American pilot who bombs some poor cunt from 45,000 feet.

By the way, last time I looked at that footage the kid didnt have any bombs strapped to him. He was hiding from gunfire, not threatening anybody.


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Re: German report: Palestinians likely killed Gaza boy [Re: madscientist]
    #584211 - 03/20/02 02:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Irsrael took the land rightfully. Do you think we should go back and give california to the mexicans, or surrender to britain? whats wrong with you? Not one other nation that has rightfully taken land in war has given it back. Why would israel be any different? The palestinians don't have balls they are just dumb as dirt. How fucking dumb do you have to be to take on a tank with a slingshot? Fucking morons.


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Re: German report: Palestinians likely killed Gaza boy [Re: madscientist]
    #584286 - 03/20/02 03:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

They would have had their land back by now under the Oslo Accords, under Mubarrak. This wasn't enough, so they launched the latest intifada under the pretext that Sharon had insulted them by setting foot on the Temple Mount. Arafat decided that a war of attrition will suit his interests better than a peaceful settlement, and so abandoned Oslo. The whole point isn't to get their pre-1967 land back, it is to destroy Israel.

For the record, I think they should get most of pre-67 Palestine back, and Israeli settlements dismantled. I just don't believe for a second that this will satisfy the Palestinians.


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Re: German report: Palestinians likely killed Gaza boy [Re: madscientist]
    #584307 - 03/20/02 04:00 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Doh, Barak, not Mubarak. Damn foreigners.


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Re: German report: Palestinians likely killed Gaza boy [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #584946 - 03/21/02 05:36 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

They took the land by terrorism and violence against the Arabs and the British. Mind you, you are probably American and did pretty much the same thing to the native indian population there. So to you, terrorism, genocide and slaughter of the innocents does probably appear to be rightful. Thats prolly why America and Isreal are kindred spirits.

By the way, you have quite a good chance of nailing a tank commander on the head with a slingshot, provided its poking out (this is common practice in the Isreali tank corps, gives them more visibility. Must be said the Isrealis are brave bastards alright).


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Edited by madscientist (03/21/02 05:40 AM)


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Re: German report: Palestinians likely killed Gaza boy [Re: wingnutx]
    #589473 - 03/26/02 12:16 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

The Arab world (Arab nations) are about to accept the existance of Israel; it's the occupation of Palestinian territory that's messing everything up. I don't know if establishing a Palestinian state would diminish all hatred towards the United States and Israel (I doubt it, because Israel and America can't change the past) but it would certainly help.


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Re: German report: Palestinians likely killed Gaza boy [Re: madscientist]
    #589642 - 03/26/02 04:29 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

And what land is it that you are from, seeing as you claim your people have no blood on their hands?


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Re: German report: Palestinians likely killed Gaza boy [Re: wingnutx]
    #598568 - 04/04/02 01:44 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

What's you point anyway ? Does it matter which side shot the boy ? This war (as any war) is a big fuck, both sides control their peolple using the land property as an excuse, using religion as a division weapon and using the mass media as an opinion control instrument. Who ever belives or defends any side is just one more controled mind and any argument is useless to justify the actions we see every day.
Replace who's in power and use the system to reeducate the people, that's the only way to achieve peace, but those institutionalists fuckers just don't leave the damn sit anyway.

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