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CIA reports that report will report nothing
    #1948275 - 09/24/03 04:36 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=st...iraq_usa_wmd_dc

I found this paragraph interesting:

The expected finding in a report by David Kay, who served
as a U.N. nuclear inspector in Iraq in 1991, would be a blow to
President Bush (news - web sites) who, before ordering the
invasion of Iraq last March, argued Saddam Hussein (news -
web sites)'s weapons of mass destruction posed an imminent
threat that justified war.


most notably the final sentence....it seems even Reuters
news service felt that the administration's argument was
that Iraq's WMD posed an imminent threat....but we won't
rehash all that.

equally interesting...

The report "generally will be about chemical and biological
weapons and I think he's going to find evidence, documentary
evidence, statements by Iraqi scientists and technicians, that
they had chemical and biological weapons production programs,"
the senior U.S. official said.


what's interesting about this is that they seem to be getting
us used to the fact that while they may not find the smoking
gun, so to speak, they'll have enough statements from underlings
to cover their asses. though, it's worth noting that the article
mentions earlier on that these scientists and technicians have
been granted immunity (and god knows what else) for their
*cooperation*.


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: afoaf]
    #1948465 - 09/24/03 05:39 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I wonder how this will affect the right-wingers on the board who spent months making dozens of posts about the "hundreds of tons of VX gas" and other such utter bullshit. Will they finally realise their belief systems are based on horseshit, or simply shrug it off? I know if i'd swallowed that bullshit I'd be asking myself some serious fucking questions about my belief system.

Not even "minute" quantities have been found...

No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq by the group looking for them, according to a Bush administration source who has spoken to the BBC.

This will be the conclusion of the Iraq Survey Group's interim report, the source told the presenter of BBC television's Daily Politics show, Andrew Neil.

Downing Street branded the story "speculation about an unfinished draft of an interim report".

Mr Neil said the draft report - which the source said is due to be published next month - concludes that it is highly unlikely that weapons of mass destruction were shipped out of the country to places like Syria before the US-led war on Iraq.

The bottom line is that the team has found no weapons of mass destruction

It will also say that Saddam Hussein mounted a huge programme to deceive and hinder the work of United Nations weapons inspectors, he said.

Mr Neil said that according to the source, the report will say its inspectors have not even unearthed "minute amounts of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons material".

They have also not uncovered any laboratories involved in deploying weapons of mass destruction and no delivery systems for the weapons.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3135932.stm


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: Xlea321]
    #1948486 - 09/24/03 05:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

given the human rights abuses of the ba'ath regime, i think you will find many who, even in the absence of WMD's, still believe the war was just. there are many who haven't "swallowed that bullshit", but still feel differently than you do, based on a different set of values. imagine that.


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: ]
    #1948546 - 09/24/03 06:00 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

And the dozens and dozens of posts about "Do you have to be dying of VX gas before you see Saddam as a threat" and "the tons and tons of VX and mustard gas.."? And "Saddam poses a threat from his WMD"?

All that nonsense is just shrugged off? No-one asks themselves "How could I be so wrong and yet think I was so right?"


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: Xlea321]
    #1948559 - 09/24/03 06:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

show me the posts alex...


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: ]
    #1948578 - 09/24/03 06:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Do a search mush.


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: Xlea321]
    #1948582 - 09/24/03 06:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Alex123 said:
And the dozens and dozens of posts about "Do you have to be dying of VX gas before you see Saddam as a threat" and "the tons and tons of VX and mustard gas.."? And "Saddam poses a threat from his WMD"?



Yes. Let's see them. While there were a few who seemed to think that, an honest reading will IMO show most here stated they didn't know. More stated it was Saddams responsibility to show they didn't exist or had been destroyed.



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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1948595 - 09/24/03 06:12 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Well stop talking and get searching then luv. I replied to enough of them at the time.


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: Xlea321]
    #1948596 - 09/24/03 06:13 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Alex123 said:
Do a search mush.



You claimed there were "dozens and dozens". You made the claim. Back it up.

I think we all know you won't.


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1948606 - 09/24/03 06:15 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I'm going to spend my time finding dozens of posts by right-wingers spouting bullshit?

er..yep, you guessed right, I won't. Why don't you do a search and prove me wrong if you're so convinced no right-wingers thought he had WMD?


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: Xlea321]
    #1948627 - 09/24/03 06:18 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Golly.... perhaps because I wasn't the one foolish enough to make a claim I have no hope of backing up?

And let's do a simple one.... show me where in this thread I said NO right wingers said that.

The key word here is no Alpo.


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1948638 - 09/24/03 06:21 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

So what exactly are you claiming?

No, on second thoughts don't bother.


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: Xlea321]
    #1948648 - 09/24/03 06:22 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: Xlea321]
    #1948650 - 09/24/03 06:23 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Alex123 said:
So what exactly are you claiming?

No, on second thoughts don't bother.



I'm claiming that yet again your penchant for exaggeration has you making a claim you have no hope of backing up.


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: ]
    #1948659 - 09/24/03 06:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Good research there mush, you'll go far.

Did it ever cross your mind to search on VX gas? Mustard gas? WMD?

Just a hint. See what comes up.


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: Xlea321]
    #1948667 - 09/24/03 06:28 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

hehe.. that was half in jest...

i'm sure that there have been comments made supporting the war against iraq on account of its weapons program....

just because there's no weapons program doesn't mean that humanitarian reasons are less valid.


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: afoaf]
    #1948814 - 09/24/03 07:03 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

afoaf writes:

...it seems even Reuters
news service felt that the administration's argument was
that Iraq's WMD posed an imminent threat....but we won't
rehash all that.


Best not. Reuters is unabashedly biased. As a matter of fact, they outbias even NPR and the BBC. Accepting what Reuters "feels" is arguably more dangerous than accepting what Michael Moore feels.

It will be interesting to see what the report actually says. We'll all have the opportunity to read it for ourselves soon enough.

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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: Phred]
    #1948980 - 09/24/03 07:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

thanks for bringing this one back on topic, pink.

as for the rest of you bitches, take your petty
pissing contests elsewhere.

I'm tired of it.


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: ]
    #1949111 - 09/24/03 08:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:
given the human rights abuses of the ba'ath regime, i think you will find many who, even in the absence of WMD's, still believe the war was just. there are many who haven't "swallowed that bullshit", but still feel differently than you do, based on a different set of values. imagine that. 



given the human rights abuses of the bush regime......so the usa is getting set to invade itself?
even 'human rights abuses' was another crock, as if the bush gang gives a fuck. checkout the civilian death tolls for iraq and afghanistan. lots of that joyous friendly fire going down.
which large nation incarcerates political prisoners without trial or hope of release? ( :smile:all of them)
why dont they just say -
'we want that oil'? 


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Re: CIA reports that report will report nothing [Re: Phred]
    #1949728 - 09/24/03 11:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Best not. Reuters is unabashedly biased. As a matter of fact, they outbias even NPR and the BBC. Accepting what Reuters "feels" is arguably more dangerous than accepting what Michael Moore feels.


Do you have a link to some report on that statement from some place like Fair media and accuracy or what not? Or, is that just your personal opinion?


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