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OfflineTeiro
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PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!!
    #706940 - 06/28/02 12:56 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This is for: [EDITED BY JAMMER DUE TO PERSONAL FLAMES]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=&ncid=721&e=5&u=/ap/20020628/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians_5201

Israel also admitted for the second time in a week its forces "acted improperly" in firing on Palestinians violating a curfew. Three children in the West Bank town of Qalqiliya were wounded, including a 9-year-old in critical condition with brain damage.

OPPPSSS I THINK I MADE A MISTAKE???

OF COURSE NOT!!! HATE MOTHERFUCKERS COWARDS, FUCK LEAVE PALESTINE ALONE YOU HAVE NO FUCKING LAND THERE.


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Edited by Jammer (10/20/02 11:58 PM)


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Teiro]
    #706964 - 06/28/02 01:23 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

There is more:

Palestinian witnesses and security officials said tanks fired after a curfew break arranged with Israeli authorities to allow high school students to take final exams. Apparently after seeing the students on the streets, others headed out to the market, Palestinians said.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Teiro]
    #706968 - 06/28/02 01:25 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Soldiers opened fire on the children, the military said. Civil administration spokesman Maj. Peter Lerner confirmed the intention was to lift the curfew for students.
On June 21, the army said its forces erred in killing four Palestinians, including three children, after a rumor spread the curfew had been briefly lifted.
In Jerusalem, police said Thursday that two Jewish settlers, arrested on suspicion of involvement in a rampage in a West Bank village that left a Palestinian dead, have been released without being charged
A number of settlers went through the Palestinian village of Hawara on June 21, firing rifles randomly, witnesses said, after the funerals of five Israelis killed by a Palestinian infiltrator at the settlement of Itamar a day before.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Teiro]
    #706984 - 06/28/02 01:44 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

On June 21, the army said its forces erred in killing four Palestinians, including three children, after a rumor spread the curfew had been briefly lifted.





What part of erred don't you understand? I never said innocents didn't get killed by both sides. There is a big difference between "erred" and some pussy homicide bombers deliberately killing innocents.

Are you not smart enough to grasp that?


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Teiro]
    #706988 - 06/28/02 01:49 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

In Jerusalem, police said Thursday that two Jewish settlers, arrested on suspicion of involvement in a rampage in a West Bank village that left a Palestinian dead, have been released without being charged




Furthermore, A country cannot control each and every citizen within its borders.

The fact remains.... homicide bombers are scumbags. If Israeli citizens started using the same tactics (bombs) I would say the same about them.

Bombers are cowards and will always remain so.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #707040 - 06/28/02 03:32 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Israel does use bombs [EDITED BY JAMMER DUE TO PERSONAL FLAME], and every citizen must do time in the military.


Edited by Jammer (10/21/02 12:13 AM)


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #707052 - 06/28/02 03:41 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

What part of erred don't you understand? I never said innocents didn't get killed by both sides. There is a big difference between "erred" and some pussy homicide bombers deliberately killing innocents.




I dont know..... shooting an unarmed child in the back sounds like "deliberately killing innocents" to me.


Edited by perplexed (06/28/02 03:55 AM)


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: perplexed]
    #707170 - 06/28/02 05:23 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Really..? [EDITED BY JAMMER DUE TO PERSONAL FLAME] You know of Israelis who have strapped bombs to them selves and either climbed on a bus or entered a dance hall during a wedding reception and then detonated it? Perhaps you could provide a link to that story?


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Edited by Jammer (10/21/02 12:03 AM)


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #707221 - 06/28/02 06:05 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Who you callin fuckface? Dude you need to get a life. What is the point of callin ppl names.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: pimpadelic]
    #707233 - 06/28/02 06:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I assume that he was responding to perplexed's statement, "Israel does use bombs you retard."


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Teiro]
    #707283 - 06/28/02 06:51 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I guess it?s better that Palestinean parents do this to their own children...



Edited by Evolving (06/28/02 06:52 AM)


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #707414 - 06/28/02 08:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

ISRAEL IS INVADING PALESTIN, THEY ONLY NEED TO LEAVE!!!
EASY


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Teiro]
    #707478 - 06/28/02 08:29 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I don't understand why you care if Palestineans die. Wipe em all out, it's the only way this mess will ever end.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: superpimp]
    #708877 - 06/28/02 06:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

it would be a joke to go all out and get rid of the palestinians. btw that land is not theirs, it was syrias (please correct if wrong). israel spread out its territory over conquered land that was used for terrorist bases. i think its totally fair they keep the land. then these palestinians pop up. anyways back to subject. you wipe out palestine, easy. israel is bigger than them and could crush them. then you look at the bigger picture:egypt, syria iran, and every other muslim/antisemetic nation out there turns there guns on israel. now thats like rhode island declaring war on the rest of the east coast and then some.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: dubt]
    #710167 - 06/29/02 03:52 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You are wrong dubt, the palestinians didn't just pop up, they lived there for thousands of years and controlled all that is known as israel today. In 1947 700,000 palestinians were forced from thier homes by american backed jews. They murdered entire familys, bombed and bulldozed homes with people still inside, It was a very brutal attack. As the arabs were removed they were replaced by the thousands of jews that were being shipped into palestine (ethnic cleansing). In many cases they actualy lived in the dead arab built homes, which settlers still do today. Israel's offical statment was that 700,000 palestinians decided on thier own to leave thier homes and possessions to go live in refugee camps were many died of starvation and disease. From that point on they continued to brutalize,control, and steal land from palestine. Nearly 60 years of murdering, controling, stealing, discriminating, demeaning, unfair ocupation and were surprised that thier strapping bombs to themselves?


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #710171 - 06/29/02 04:00 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Deliberately killing innocents: Strapping a bomb to ones self and either climbed on a bus or entered a dance hall during a wedding reception and then detonated it.

Sorry luvdemshrooms, i wasent aware of that definition......your a dumb ass.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: perplexed]
    #710175 - 06/29/02 04:05 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You're such a witty person. How can anyone fail to see the logic of your points.

Oh wait.... there isn't any.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: perplexed]
    #710182 - 06/29/02 04:11 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

i didnt want to get involved but israeli's have done the bomb thing before... they also have quite a big and growing list of israeli terrorists... You can find all that via the Yahoo search engine.....

There both scumbags, war mongers..... fuck them all let the fucks kill themselves..... and when its all said and done let the survivors sort the mess out.

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Israel ? A Suicide Bomber?

Palestinian suicide attacks have been singled out, overemphasised and isolated from their context in Israel's 35-year occupation of the Palestinian territories, the proper infrastructure of Palestinian terrorism.


Professional demonisers like Thomas Friedman work hard to persuade us of suicidal lies like the one claiming suicide bombers are "a whole new form of warfare" unique to Palestinians. I truly doubt whether the term "Kamikaze" is of Palestinian origin. There were no Palestinian suicide bombers around back in 1991, when Rajib Ghandi was assassinated by a suicide bomber; in fact, the person accused of launching more suicide attacks than anyone else is not Yassir Arafat (his direct involvement in such attacks may be an outright Israeli fabrication) but Velupillai Prabhakaran, who heads the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam.

The Talmud reminds us that people often accuse others of their own faults. Is this the case with Israel as well? Can Israel be seen as a suicide bomber? Well, the latter part of the term obviously holds true: reports of Israeli bulldozers digging mass graves in Jenin have not been confirmed yet, but the enormous scale of Israeli bombing in occupied territories hardly needs this evidence. During the British Mandate in Palestine (1917-1948), the Royal Army considered bombing Jenin from the air, but dropped the idea for humanitarian reasons; the Israeli army has now used F-16 jets, helicopters and airborne missiles against this city, while destroying dozens of houses as well as the entire water, sewage and electricity infrastructure by tanks and bulldozers.

But has Israel itself suicidal elements? We'll have to take a short survey of Palestinian suicide bombing to get to that.

Suicide Bombers Analysed

Demonisation successfully coats the suicide bombers with a satanic aura of ultimate evil, disabling any rational discussion of the subject. Suicide bombers are represented as a doomsday weapon, as a threat to world security, to civilisation itself (see, again, Thomas Friedman's column). It's high time to lift this aura.

In my previous column I argued that suicide itself is not considered a crime by most people. The major ideology of modern times, Nationalism, often praises sacrificing one's life for one's nation. Israel loves to praise itself for everything positive in Palestinian society ("we brought them prosperity" etc.) and to blame some "Arab spirit" for everything negative. But Palestinians' suicidal tendencies maybe have their roots not only in Islamic fundamentalism but also in Zionism. Israeli school children are raised on the myth of the Zionist officer Joseph Trumpeldor, whose last words were: "It is good to die for our country". Similarly, the first association Israeli soldiers had in mind for the Palestinians fighting to death in Jenin was the Zionist Masada myth, where besieged ancient Jews swore to die rather than surrender to the Romans.

Suicide bombers, as I argued before, are not different from any other weapon. They can be used against three kinds of targets: soldiers, settlers, and civilians inside Israel. Let's consider each of these cases.

Bombing Occupation Soldiers is LAWFUL

When acting against soldiers, the suicide bomber has international law on his side. Yes: international legislation acknowledges the right of occupied people to use force against their oppressors, both inside the occupied territories and outside them. Based upon the principles of the Hague International Convention of 1907 and confirmed in the Nuremberg Tribunal after World War II, this determination was essential to forestall Nazi claims that partisans, Ghetto fighters, and other underground resistance forces in the territories occupied by Germany had allegedly been "terrorists". In the Nuremberg Tribunal it was unequivocally set down that resistance fighters, including those who had struggled within Germany itself, acted in accordance with the regulations of international law.

A fact actually unheard of in the media.

Bombing Settlers in the Occupied Territories

Bombing civilians, however, is a crime. If Palestinians do it inside the occupied territories, the great question is what those civilians, also known as settlers, are doing there. Their presence in the occupied territories may not justify killing them, but it raises serious doubts as for who is responsible for it. Is it the Palestinians legitimately fighting occupation ? or is it rather Israel, that moves civilians into occupied territory contrary to international law, exposing them to Palestinian attacks? Israel now claims to be deporting Palestinian civilians from battle zones in order to protect them. Why does it let its own civilians live in these territories, which are one big battlefield?

In fact, extremist settlers like those in Hebron ? 500 settlers among 120.000 Palestinians in the heart of the city ? often refuse to be protected. When the army offers to install bullet-proof glass in their windows, they reject it, claiming the army should ensure their houses are not shot at instead of stopping the bullets at their windows. Is this not suicidal?

Bombing Civilians Inside Israel

Okay, this of course is totally illegal and immoral. But have you ever wondered how suicide bombers get into Israel? Not in a satanic rain like the frogs in Magnolia. In fact, they walk into Israel.

Walk??? ? Yes. They cross the imaginary Green Line between Israel and the occupied West Bank simply on foot, and then they take a lift, or a bus, or a taxi, to wherever they want to explode.

This may sound incredible, but it is true. There is no visible border between Israel and the West Bank.

Now the problem of intruders has been bothering humanity for quite a few millennia, from China to Berlin; the usual solution is expressed by the English term "fence". If Israel had wanted to stop suicide bombers, all it had to do is put a fence. This is Israel's weak spot the Palestinians have found. It's a very revealing weak spot.

Why does Israel not put up a fence? The construction itself is not a problem. There are quite sophisticated hi-tech fences nowadays. The Gaza Strip is surrounded by one, reducing intrusions to a zero level. A few weeks after the Israeli withdrawal from South Lebanon, a fence along the border was completed there too. So why not in the West Bank?

There are three reasons why Israel does not put a fence along the Green Line:

(A) First and foremost, as even Israeli politicians admit, it's "a political problem". A fence might be interpreted as a border. Israel is unwilling to give up the West Bank. Therefore, it rather lets its citizens die in suicide attacks. It's as simple as that.

(B) More specifically, the numerous Israeli settlements spread throughout the entire West Bank are a problem for such a fence. If the settlements are taken in, you have to take the surrounding Palestinian population too, and then what's the point. If you leave the settlements out, you solve only part of the problem.

The smaller part of the problem, actually. Israel cares much more about its 200.000 settlers in the West Bank than about its 6 million citizens inside the Green Line (indeed, most settlements are surrounded by a fence). Take this financial evidence: in the 1990s, the Israeli Government spent on every settler an average of 5,428 NIS a year. The national average per citizen was just 3,807 NIS. Israeli Arab citizens were worth much less: 2,402 NIS. The cheaper the citizen, the cheaper his life.

(C) One cannot ignore the propaganda profits. Israel uses terror attack on its citizens, especially on civilians inside the Green Line, to justify its ever more violent occupation and to endlessly expand its illegal settlements. Why build a simple fence, if you can occasionally sacrifice a few civilians in return for a huge propaganda benefit for the occupation and the settlements?
Text-only printable version of this article

Ran HaCohen was born in the Netherlands in 1964 and grew up in Israel. He has a B.A. in Computer Science, an M.A. in Comparative Literature and is currently working on his PhD thesis. He teaches in the Tel-Aviv University's Department of Comparative Literature. He also works as a literary translator (from German, English and Dutch), and as a literary critic for the Israeli daily Yedioth Achronoth. Mr. HaCohen's work has been published widely in Israel. "Letter from Israel" appears occasionally at Antiwar.com.

Archived columns

Israel ? A Suicide Bomber?
4/12/02

Suicidal Truths
4/5/02

The Auschwitz Logic
4/1/02

Against Negotiations
3/28/02

Occupation Vs. Democracy
2/26/02

Terrorism Vs. Occupation
2/15/02

Peace Now. Now?! Well, Maybe Later
2/8/02

David Horowitz Rewrites the Past
1/23/02

Say No to a Palestinian 'State'
11/13/01

Who Cares About the Palestinians?
10/16/01

Dancing in the Streets
9/21/01

The Ideology of Occupation
9/4/01

The Chosen Pariah
7/31/01

Mideast War ? Really Imminent?
7/24/01

The State of the Army, Part Two
6/22/01

Building Settlements, Killing Peace
5/26/01

The State of the Army, Part 1
5/8/01

Israeli Left Sells Out Peace
4/13/01

Barak's Legacy
3/23/01

Looking in the Mirror

So Thomas Friedman is right to argue that by using suicide bombers the Palestinians have found Israel's weak spot. This weak spot is the policy of occupation and settlements. Had Israel agreed to end occupation and dismantle the settlements, as international decisions demand, it could simply put a fence along the Green Line and stop suicide bombers. But a fence would harm Israel's settlements policy, and this is why Israel does not build one. This behaviour, on a national level, is suicidal: the State of Israel knowingly sacrifices its own civilians for the Molech called settlements. The Palestinian suicide bombers are thus but a mirror image of the Israeli policy, a policy which is both "suicidal" (sacrificing one's own civilians) and murderously bombing.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: indicaz]
    #710228 - 06/29/02 04:58 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, thanks to Perplexed and Indicaz. They have supplied the relevant RESEARCH to give the rest of you the rational premises necessary to understand WHY there is such violence between Israel and Palastine.

I am still working on my little history lesson for the rest of you, but I suggest looking at the key areas Perplexed and Indicaz have provided. Especialy since our government officials have involved us in this violence from the very begining; that begining was in 1917.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Teiro]
    #973173 - 10/18/02 07:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, innocent people do die. Here is the basic difference: Israelis do targetted killings and Palestinians do terrorists attack. Why do children get killed? Why are children doing in the battlefield anyway. The curfew was set up there for a reason. I am not saying that the Israelis are right for shooting a kid but the Palestinians can't blame the Israelis either. That curfew was set because it was for the safety of both parties! Do not leave your kids after the curfew because that curfew was set to protect you from the shooting and battles that veyr much occur in those hours.

" 11 kids died along with a top Hamas leader after Israeli Defense Forces bomb suspect's home base. " Once again, what are kids doing around a Hamas leader in the middle of a huge conflict where the chances of that person being attacked are fairly high? Would you let your kids be baby sat or even just hang out with the biggest terrorist leader in your city? Think about it.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: jUxTaPoSe]
    #975185 - 10/19/02 05:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

good point juxtapose. It's different when people are taking the bus to work or to pick up some groceries and then BOOM. but who in their right mind would play on a battlefield during a battle?


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: jUxTaPoSe]
    #976596 - 10/20/02 09:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Why are children doing in the battlefield anyway"

When the battlefield is a city street, then these things happen. You could just as easily say "What are kids doing in downtown Jerusalem? Don't they know suicide bombers are out there?"


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Phluck]
    #977484 - 10/20/02 04:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

>>>>What part of erred don't you understand? I never said innocents didn't get killed by both sides. There is a big difference between "erred" and some pussy homicide bombers deliberately killing innocents.

Are you not smart enough to grasp that?

The biggest problem with the way many americans see the situation is that when a suicide bomber kills some people in isreal they are called evil suicide bombers and because palestine is full of evil suicide bombers, palestine is seen as a country full of terrorists that should be "wiped out" as a few people said. Then on the other hand when isreal invades with their army and does something like level a entire town, well then it's just an acident and all the people responsible are let off the hook because they "didnt mean to" kill all those inocent people. I mean for christ sake, take some responsibility or something when you kill innocent children. It's a huge double standard, and it's pretty fucking ridiculous if you ask me.

People seem to think and that because palestine has terrorists in it, killing inocent palestinian civilians is somehow excusable or justified? and you have the nerve to wonder why they have terrorists? It's a statistical fact that isreal has killed nearly twice as many palestinians compared to palestinians killing isrealis.

Further more, it sounded like some people in this thread seemed to think that because the incident involving the curfew was an accident then it was ok or something. Well thats not ok if you ask me, the isreali army is supposed to be the best in the world, and if you cant tell a grown man with a gun from a 9 year old walking down the street something is either terribly wrong with isreali soldiers or the pieces to that story dont fit. The place it happened in is a city, it's not really a warzone(unless isreal decides they should have an invasion or something) it's not like theres constantly firefights on every other corner. Thats one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. And BTW i dont think it's ok to kill people because they violated curfew and anyone who does is kind of fucked in the head if you want my opinion. If isreal tryed a little harder to improve public relations in the city and didnt shoot at anything that moved at night then they might have less terrorism problems.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Teiro]
    #978528 - 10/21/02 12:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Friends, can we all please tone down the volume here? There isnt any need for any personal attacks of other respected members here. I have just noticed this thread, and already had to send out three pms.

We can debate this issue without flaming others for there opinions. Please try and work with me here. If these flames continue here I will lock this thread.

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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #978804 - 10/21/02 03:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Jonny, Jonny, Jonny,
Do I really need to hold your hand on this?
The Palestinian homicide bombers deliberately seek out civilian targets.

If you take the time to research the facts which I found summerized and posted the links for in another post on just this same subject you'll find your claim that the Israelis have killed twice as many to be completely false.

Frankly, I have no wish to see civilians on either side killed. The Palestinians lost my sympathy when the homicide bombings started targeting purely civilian targets. As I've said before the minimum response of the Israelis should be to wipe out every last member of the bombers family. A preferred response would be to remove the bombers town or city from the face of the earth.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Jammer]
    #978807 - 10/21/02 03:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

As I said in my reply to the PM you sent me, if you look you'll see the posts you edited were 4 months old. They've been here on view all this time and you just now feel the urge to edit them? Perhaps had you done so at the time the posts were made something useful may have been acomplished. As you didn't, what was acomplished by doing so now?


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #979678 - 10/21/02 11:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

As I told you in pm- I just received an email about this thread yesterday. Someone pointed this thread out. I cant catch everthing when it happens. The point is that we should try to advoid acting this way here.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Teiro]
    #980087 - 10/21/02 02:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The thing that you have to keep in mind about the Israelis and Palestinians is they have been killing each other for a long time now and exactly "who started it" in the first place will probobally still be debated years from now. I don't put the blame for the violence on any one group I think they both share equally in blame for the decades of pointless violence.
Frontline did a pretty informative piece on the violence taking place there a few months ago. Basically in a nut shell what happens is Palestinians bomb Israel because they're pissed off at the Israelis pissing off Israel. Israel retaliates for the bombing, pissing off the Palestinians thus they bomb Israel again and Israel retaliates again. That's been the pattern for years. They all seem to have a third grade attitude towards the whole thing; you hit me I hit you back. This just keeps going back and fourth and probably will for a long time to come. I know it's alot more complicated than that but if I were to go into detail my fingers would fall off from typing too much. The bottom line is Israel isn't going away and Palestine isn't going away and they're going to have to live together peacefully despite their deep seated hatred for one another. I think it all boils down to neither side wants to compromise and only wants peace on their terms.
Personally I don't care what the Israelis and Palestinians do to each other. When the Palestinians suicide bomb American cities or the Israleis fence in my town and shoot people for violating curfew than I'll care. Self centered I know but hey it's how I feal. So flame away liberals an Palestinian supporters I'm sure I left myself open for a few in this thread. I can take it.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: SirEHShackleton]
    #980109 - 10/21/02 02:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Back in the 1920s, Jews began immigrating to Palestine. They were very sucessful in cultivating the land and turning desert in prosperous farm land. The Palestinians resented this and started attacks on Jews. To this day, the Palestinians have not ceased, yet they still complain that the Jews are in the wrong.


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    #980136 - 10/21/02 02:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

****I don't put the blame for the violence on any one group****

which group is purposely targeting children, woman and everyday civilians?


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #980177 - 10/21/02 03:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

which group is purposely targeting children, woman and everyday civilians?

Israel.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: akjakj]
    #981897 - 10/22/02 03:45 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

Israel.



That is an unbelievably stupid statement.

How many Israelis do you see with bombs strapped to themselves walking into deli's, dance hall or school buses?

Those Palestinians who do so are cowardly scumbags. Their familys should all be wiped out. That would be good incentive for those who would bomb to think twice first.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: akjakj]
    #982053 - 10/22/02 05:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

please don't use puppets to answer questions...we all know the answer but many are too blind (or ignorant) to see


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #982481 - 10/22/02 10:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Read up on what happened at two places. Sabra and Chatila.

Then get back to us.

here's a quick taster:

When we entered Sabra and Chatila on Saturday, September 18, 1982, the final day of the killing, we saw bodies everywhere. We photographed victims that had been mutilated with axes and knives. Only a few of the people we photographed had been machine-gunned. Others had their heads smashed, their eyes removed, their throats cut, skin was stripped from their bodies, limbs were severed, some people were eviscerated.


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    #982512 - 10/22/02 10:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

****Read up on what happened at two places. Sabra and Chatila***

reality works for me.....to bad others don't seem to be in it....

****We photographed victims that had been mutilated with axes and knives. ****

so....what were they doing during the battle?

****Only a few of the people we photographed had been machine-gunned. ****

so the type of weapon used determines HOW they were killed?..hmmm that's interesting


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #982524 - 10/22/02 10:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You've never heard of those mass slaughters of innocents by the Israeli's have you?

Ask yourself why.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Xlea321]
    #982535 - 10/22/02 10:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sabra and Chatila - Lebanese involved

ok a read up on it...now what?


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    #982537 - 10/22/02 10:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

****You've never heard of those mass slaughters of innocents by the Israeli's have you?****

how come you never mentioned the lebanese?

Ask yourself why?


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #983021 - 10/22/02 01:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

how come you never mentioned the lebanese?

Steady on. Ten minutes ago you'd never heard of it. Don't come to conclusions so quickly.

Ask yourself why?

First things first - did you ask yourself why?



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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Xlea321]
    #983227 - 10/22/02 02:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I read it...so? (i say again)


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #983319 - 10/22/02 02:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I read it...so? (i say again)

This was posted by you 10 posts ago:

which group is purposely targeting children, woman and everyday civilians?

Sabra and chatila...
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    #983427 - 10/22/02 03:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

4posts..or 5 if you count the one where i actually said i read it

if you don't want to respond to your actual topic i'll understand...


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Xlea321]
    #983472 - 10/22/02 03:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I would like to point out that the jews have a huge stranglehold on the mass media in America, with the likes of Sumner Redstone owning HUGE portions of broadcasting companied and news networks. Would it then be fair to say, that the reason nobody hears about the atrocities committed by Israel, is becasue the media is looking out for the best interests of its fellow people? Where else, besides the news, are you going to hear about events over in the middle east?


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #985368 - 10/22/02 11:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

if you don't want to respond to your actual topic i'll understand...

eh? You said which group targets innocent civilans, I mentioned Sabra and Chatila - two clear examples of israel slaughtering innocent women and kids. Are you ever going to address this?

You're getting more like evolving every day  :grin:


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #985471 - 10/23/02 12:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think they really have "civilians" per se in Israel.

If it is reasonable to wipe out a town because there are some terrorists in it, then no violence commited anywhere is unreasonable.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1000830 - 10/28/02 06:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

does the musllim religion? say that it is good to kill your enemy through suicide? I really dont want any opinions and I am not opinionated either way right now. I would realy like to know if there is anybody out there who has read the musllim holy book and seen if there is somthing similar to that regarding suicide. I have been starting to look on my own I'll let you kn ow If i prove or disprove that idea. I guess the shame is that it will be easier to prove than disprove concidering that to preform the later you would have to read the entire Kuron.


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Xlea321]
    #1001030 - 10/28/02 07:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i stated that there were lebanese involved, you know, the thing you conveiniently left out?.... you're either blind or dumb (you decide)....what a dolt


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    #1001037 - 10/28/02 07:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the muslim religion is quite peaceful.....it's too bad it's comprised of radical cowardly sects.....jihad is one example


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1002008 - 10/28/02 11:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

there were lebanese involved

So were the Israeli's dumbass.


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    #1002528 - 10/29/02 05:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

read this you dolt...

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/Sabra_&_Shatila.html

or is it too biased because it's the other side's description?


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Re: PROOF ISRAEL IS KILLING PALESTINEAN CHILDREN!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1002854 - 10/29/02 09:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

An article by the American-Israeli co-operative.

At least we know your sources are unbiased  :wink:

Try reading an independent account, dumbass.


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    #1002910 - 10/29/02 10:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

****An article by the American-Israeli co-operative. At least we know your sources are unbiased ****

wow you actually understand a point i was making...you're learning.  Now don't tell me that the source i gave you is false because i bet these people know more than you about this subject.

****Try reading an independent account, dumbass.****

don't get your panties in a bundle..nothing you ever cite is unbiased and i highly doubt there is such a thing as unbiased reporting...you're making this too easy....making you look like a dolt that is... :grin:


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