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sun staring
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Did you hear about it? What do you think about that?

Well for those who haven't heard about it. There is a special sort of Yoga that teaches how sun is the source of life and how you can survive vitually for ever without food or anything else, exept for staring into the sun, directly recieving energy through your eyes.

There is some kind of a Yogi who demonstrated before a "commision" of westerners a revival of a bird. The bird was dead, and he focused sun into its eyes with a loupe, the bird woke up, and lived for about an hour before it died again.

Also there was this guy in India who recently lived for 7 years without anything but sun staring into the sun and drinking watter.

There were also some experiments done by western scientists and medical doctors on some volunteer Yogi's who lived more than 200 days under lab conditions without any food or watter, just sun staring.

So much for real world examples..

now some legends..

they say you can live for thousands of years that way, and some say that there are old wise people living in caves in mountains of India and China hundrets of years old, if not thousands

Even Nasa took some of it seriously and considered finding a way to exploit it for food savings on space yourneys.

Doctors still say staring into the sun can make you blind, but
Yogi's say the key is faith. You won't go blind if you have faith.

Makes me kind of remember the words of Jesus when he said how we don't have to worry about anything, that god will take care of us even if we don't do anything that humans do. Perhapse this is what he had in mind, a life without any existential sanctions, just some sun and faith.

Also makes me remember how many religions worshiped the sun.


Interesting.

I've seen it on a documentary on TV, so I don't have any links to post, but I'm sure you'll find a lot on google if you want to read more about sun staring.


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
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Re: sun staring [Re: soulcircus]
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Oh great balls of fire !! My retina's are now partially destroyed because I used to do this exact thing when I was a young stupid kid. Yeap, I blame the ultra violet rays for my visual depletion, though my complexion is mysteriously fair looking. Hmmm, quite interesting, I could have used some of this Yogi sun training before I went and had fun makeing swirling CEV's blotches from burning cone optic-nerve receptors.

Sheesh! Well, I guess I feel somwhat better, larger penial glands you say.. :strokebeard:


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Re: sun staring [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Also there was this guy in India who ...


WHO OWES ME SOME MONEY...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5816656/an/0/page/0

:mad:


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Too cool to mention well that's the intention
But some of us too dame blind to see
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Re: sun staring [Re: WIZOLZ]
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WIZOLZ said:
Oh great balls of fire !! My retina's are now partially destroyed because I used to do this exact thing when I was a young stupid kid. Yeap, I blame the ultra violet rays for my visual depletion, though my complexion is mysteriously fair looking. Hmmm, quite interesting, I could have used some of this Yogi sun training before I went and had fun makeing swirling CEV's blotches from burning cone optic-nerve receptors.

Sheesh! Well, I guess I feel somwhat better, larger penial glands you say.. :strokebeard:


Yeah, you probably need a LOT of training to get any benefit from it.  Not something to just try for kicks one afternoon  :wink:

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Re: sun staring [Re: thatiAM]
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Well anyway, if Nasa took it seriously, it must be something

they didn't put a man on the moon for being superstitious.


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: sun staring [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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you can survive vitually for ever without food or anything else, exept for staring into the sun, directly recieving energy through your eyes.

is this a joke? the human body has no mechanism by which it can turn sunlight into food energy, let alone vitamins (with the exception of vitamin D), minerals, or water. you will go blind by doing this and that is all.

Also there was this guy in India who recently lived for 7 years without anything but sun staring into the sun and drinking watter.

where did you read about this?


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Re: sun staring [Re: wilshire]
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http://www.irevolution.info/media/E%20Books/Philosophy/HRM%20Sungazing%20Method.pdf

Here's the method summed up. It's very simple and doesn't require any training. The way Manek lays it all out is the most simple and elegant sort of yoga I've ever seen:

Day 1: Gaze at the sun for 10 seconds. Just look at it. No sunglasses. Be well hydrated before and after. You must gaze only during the first and last hour of sunlight when the UV index approaches 0. Chose one or the other, morning may be preferable.
When gazing, stand barefot on bare earth. Sand is best, soil is second best, grass is unacceptable, concrete and cement are ok, but not so great. If you have to, say in winter, it's ok to not go barefoot, or to sungaze from indoors (although Manek did say at one point that the barefootedness helps protect the eyes). You will still have benefits, but at a slower pace.

Day 2: Gaze for 20 seconds

Day 3: Gaze for 30 seconds, and so on, adding 10 seconds each day. If it is cloudy on a certain day, don't add any time that day but gaze, where the sun would be visible were there no clouds, for the same amount of time as the day beofre. Then, on the next sunny day, begin adding 10 seconds again.

At most, you will continue the progressive sungazing for 9 months so at the end, you will be gazing, at most, 44 minutes a day. After this time, you stop gazing and then for one year you walk barefoot on the earth, 45 minutes a day at least. If you complete this process, it is said it is possible to never have to eat again. You glands will have made the conversion, your batteries charged, your windows to the soul opened, whatever. Manek says that after 3 months of gazing, all mental illness disappears, at 6 months, all bodily disease is eradicated and at 9 month, the necessity of food is gone, but only if you want it to be. You can sungaze and still choose to eat. It is very important in this process to cultivate a belief that what you are doing is beneficial, and that you body is being healed. If you complete the 9 months of gazing and one year of walking, you will never have to sungaze again. The amount of sunlight you receive in normal; activites will be enough to keep you topped off so to speak. If you don't complete 9 months, you have to walk for the rest of your life, that is 45 minutes a day on bare earth. I think this clause is not meant as a consequence or as something that you actually have to do. Instead, it's another path of sungazing, or even an incentive the complete the process al the way through.

As for what happens throughout this process, much of it is not divulged because it's meant to be experienced, but it should be highly transformational, even if you still choose to eat food. Simply making a 21 month, daily commitment and sticking with it is something that people these days are too fickle to even consider. That's pretty much the essence of the process. Read the link for more info. Drink lots of water.

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Re: sun staring [Re: Viveka]
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Is there any proof that this works? Why hasn't NASA or the U.S. army adapted these techniques to help their personnel on extended missions? Why isn't it more widely used? Could this be the answer to world hunger? May I suggest that you travel to Africa and help all those poor starving souls who have yet to figure this out? I think there are a lot of them without shoes walking on bare earth and in the sun a lot, it should be a natural 'fit.'


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And as things fell apart,
Nobody paid much attention...
- David Byrne, '(Nothing But) Flowers' from the Talking Heads' album, 'Naked'

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Re: sun staring [Re: Viveka]
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just because someone wrote it down doesn't mean it works or that it is true. plants can use light energy to charge ATP because they have chloroplasts and can do photosynthesis. human beings cannot. there is no way for the biological processes of a human being to generate ATP from sunlight. even plants cannot live on sunlight alone, as it provides only food energy, but must also obtain water and minerals nutrition from the soil.

energy budget aside, here is a question:

a human being actively transpires large amounts of water through the skin, mucous membranes, and lungs. these surfaces actually must remain wet in order to function, and so must transpire water. one component of the water molecule is hydrogen, which is not abundant in the air a practicing 'sun starer' would breathe, the only form of matter they consume. since a sun starer is not consuming water, nor hydrogen or hydrogen ions, how does such a person replace the water which is unavoidably lost through transpiration?

how does such a person grow (how do they get heavier) if they are not consuming any matter at all? where does the iron in their blood come from? the calcium in their bones?

read about this phony:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmuheen

i know my tone in these posts runs contrary to the "don't ask questions" rules of this particular forum, but i hope the moderators will let it stand. we're talking about a practice which is very unhealthy, not only posing the risk of malnutrition, dehydration, and death, but compounding it by suggesting a person stare into the sun. people have actually died from practicing this sort of stuff.


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Re: sun staring [Re: wilshire]
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wilshire said:
you can survive vitually for ever without food or anything else, exept for staring into the sun, directly recieving energy through your eyes.

is this a joke? the human body has no mechanism by which it can turn sunlight into food energy, let alone vitamins (with the exception of vitamin D), minerals, or water. you will go blind by doing this and that is all.

Also there was this guy in India who recently lived for 7 years without anything but sun staring into the sun and drinking watter.

where did you read about this?


Then why don't these people go blind?


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: sun staring [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Fuck man, In the 70s we used to take Acid and stare at the sun for hours. No big shit. :sun:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: sun staring [Re: Trepiodos]
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May I suggest that you travel to Africa and help all those poor starving souls who have yet to figure this out?


You should suggest to Hira Ratan Manek the idea of travelling to Africa to help all the starving. I'm not making any claims about sungazing. I'm simply providing information about a concept that I read about and found very intriguing. Earlier in the thread, people seemed curious and were asking questions so I summed up the process from what I recently read and now poeple are suggesting I go to Africa. Such is the reactionary nature of ignorance.

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Re: sun staring [Re: wilshire]
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Quote:
just because someone wrote it down doesn't mean it works or that it is true.

just because someone on the internet said that "just because someone wrote it down doesn't mean it works" doesn't mean it doesn't work. Yeah, and?

Quote:
plants can use light energy to charge ATP because they have chloroplasts and can do photosynthesis. human beings cannot. there is no way for the biological processes of a human being to generate ATP from sunlight. even plants cannot live on sunlight alone, as it provides only food energy, but must also obtain water and minerals nutrition from the soil.


We're not talking about photosynthesis, were talking about a mystical process for purportedly converting the way the human organism derives energy from the sun, ie:from metabolizing other organisms that have already done this to absorbing it directly. No one within this thread is claiming this is possible. Also, Manek never said to not drink water. But apparently you choose to deride the information without actually being aware of the content. Way to go killer!

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i know my tone in these posts runs contrary to the "don't ask questions" rules of this particular forum, but i hope the moderators will let it stand. we're talking about a practice which is very unhealthy, not only posing the risk of malnutrition, dehydration, and death, but compounding it by suggesting a person stare into the sun. people have actually died from practicing this sort of stuff.


Sound the alarm! Heaven forbid somebody on the Shroomery should stumble across any information that could potentially put them in jeopardy.

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Re: sun staring [Re: Viveka]
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Viveka said:
Such is the reactionary nature of ignorance.


I dare say that one would be hard pressed to find anyone more ignorant than those who could swallow the bilge about staring at the sun providing sustenance for a human body. This is not to imply that you are taken in by such bunk, but apparently some poor souls are.


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And as things fell apart,
Nobody paid much attention...
- David Byrne, '(Nothing But) Flowers' from the Talking Heads' album, 'Naked'

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Re: sun staring [Re: Trepiodos]
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Trepiodos said:
Viveka said:
Such is the reactionary nature of ignorance.


I dare say that one would be hard pressed to find anyone more ignorant than those who could swallow the bilge about staring at the sun providing sustenance for a human body. This is not to imply that you are taken in by such bunk, but apparently some poor souls are.


Really, why is getting energy from sun less reasonable than getting energy from food? Ever used photo cells in calculators?


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: sun staring [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Ahem, were are discussing the human animal, not a calculator that is designed to run solely on electricity and has no need for repair and building of tissue. Can you cite any other animals that get their energy directly from the sun, with no need for other nutrients? How is nitrogen miraculously extracted from the air and used to build protein in people supposedly using these 'techniques?' How are minerals provided for the functioning of their bodies? If this were a valid concept it would have caught on rather quickly towards the purpose of human survival. It has not. People living in the regions of the world where there is plenty of bare earth, lack of shoes, plenty of sun and plenty of death from starvation have not benefited one bit from these 'techniques.' Further, there is no verifiable evidence behind it, no science behind it, no plausible theory behind it. It also comes from an area of the world with the reputation for the perpetration of balderdash upon the ignorant and gullible who look to India as a New Age Mecca. By an 'odd' coincidence, the pdf file linked to by Viveka itself has a link to a web site selling CDs & DVDs for prices that would go a long way to providing plenty of food for a scam artist living in India (the cost of living is pretty low there). I can get some great movies at K-Mart and Walmart for less than the price of his CD.


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And as things fell apart,
Nobody paid much attention...
- David Byrne, '(Nothing But) Flowers' from the Talking Heads' album, 'Naked'

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Re: sun staring [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Really, why is getting energy from sun less reasonable than getting energy from food? Ever used photo cells in calculators?

it isn't. sunlight is a great source of energy. however, there is no mechanism by which a human body can use sunlight as energy to fuel its metabolic processes, just as a calculator has no mechanism by which to use a bowl of rice to fuel its electronic ones.

even if human beings could perform photosythesis (i assure you they cannot), sunlight energy would still not provide mineral nutrition or protein. like plants (and all other forms of life on earth), they would still have a requirement for mineral nutrition not met by sunlight.

"By an 'odd' coincidence, the pdf file linked to by Viveka itself has a link to a web site selling CDs & DVDs for prices that would go a long way to providing plenty of food for a scam artist living in India (the cost of living is pretty low there). I can get some great movies at K-Mart and Walmart for less than the price of his CD."

surprise!


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Re: sun staring [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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As Ram Dass said long ago, 'the re are a lot of very far out stories in India.' With regard to looking at the sun - any focus of the lens will result in a burning of the retina, resulting in permanent blindness with perhaps only a periphery of light. Allegedly (prolly propaganda) some 'hippies' were blinded while on acid doing this. I once answered the door for friends while tripping on acid and I accidentally took a long look at the sun. My eyes filled with blue-white light and I felt instant warmth at the back of my head, which incidentally is where the occipital lobe of the brain (vision center) is anatomically located. I have no perverse desire to go blind.

Resurrecting the dead with solar energy cracks me up. Living on 'prana' is a yoga theory. One needs to go from vegan to fruitarian to whatever one call 'living-on-air' which is a physical vehicle for the pranic life-force. Hey, even plants require minerals and other molecules unless you're suggesting that yogis can turn energy into matter. Very sci-fi.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: sun staring [Re: Trepiodos]
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I dare say that one would be hard pressed to find anyone more ignorant than those who could swallow the bilge about staring at the sun providing sustenance for a human body.


I say a more lamentable form of ignorance is displayed by the mind that outright rejects the possibility. Of course one should remain skeptical when encountering something like this. But to refuse to give the theory or its proponents a little bit of neutral examination means that one might be missing an opportuniy to learn something. Furthermore, the habit of immediately rejecting possibilities because they don't align with one's empirical construct of the world is no good for the imagination.

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