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FEAR... and what it brings
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Has anyone noticed the more afraid of something you are, the more u think about it and let it control you and the more likely it is to happen to you?(Pessimisim?) There are some people who fear all the time, and bring negativity to thier lives.[A VICOUS CYCLE, that can be broken]

I find that the fear is ultimatley here to protect us.
Like if I was in the desert and and i saw a few hungry lions stalking me, or if i was in the ocean and sharks started to circle me, well my fear would make my body way stronger so I would be more likely to get away.

But also, say that im rock climbing and I look down and get scared. My hands start to sweat, and i slip because of the fear and die, well thats no good. I think what is good is to determine which fears are relavent, and which fears just bring negativity and demise.

Useless worrying fear is what im talking about. Like the kind that attracts negative energy.(Every animal[humans included] can sense fear). Sometimes i feel like like people have to prove tehir fears relavant so they can justify their weak/ worrying mindset.

Kinda like someone who is always afraid of what other people think, acts like it, like paranoid, or mean, and people percieve them differently, and negativity is there.

I guess there is a big difference between fear and worrying, but no one really defines it for us, so i tried here.

Whats best is to face your useless fears(worries) and overcome them so that you see your potential.

Does anyone understand what im talking about, agree, disagree?


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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play


Edited by CerebralFlower (04/20/06 04:43 PM)

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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Yes, I understand your point & agree. I would add that my practice in confronting fears is to focus on expanding beyond the fear, rather than contracting to avoid the fear. What can be painful and dangerous is the contraction and tension in reaction to the experience of fear, and not the fear itself.

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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: Veritas]
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intresting..


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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play


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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: CerebralFlower]
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When I was involved in theater many years ago, a director explained that "stage fright" was just energy.  If we thought about it as fear, and believed that it had the power to paralyze us, then it would.

Conversely, if we viewed it as extra energy and excitement to power our performance, then we could tap into it & benefit from the boost.  :grin:

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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Fear is a form of intelligence, when it is grounded in a rational basis. Or rather, it is a byproduct of rational intelligence. Ultimately, it isn't the fact that One has fears that is the problem. It's what One considers to be fearful that is the problem.




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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
When I was involved in theater many years ago, a director explained that "stage fright" was just energy.  If we thought about it as fear, and believed that it had the power to paralyze us, then it would.

Conversely, if we viewed it as extra energy and excitement to power our performance, then we could tap into it & benefit from the boost.  :grin:


Ive been working on chanelling my energy for something better, not on stage of course, this makes alot of sense though

Quote:
Ultimately, it isn't the fact that One has fears that is the problem. It's what One considers to be fearful that is the problem.



I agree


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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play


Edited by CerebralFlower (04/20/06 05:02 PM)

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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Quote:
"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players.
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages."

--From As You Like It (II, vii, 139-143)
William Shakespeare


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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Yes, fear is only a momentary sign that something in the future could go wrong. That may mobilize some extra energy :wink:
If fear becomes permanent, you start to worry.
Now, someone once brought up the similarities and differences between worry and care. It was in the thread "Do you care ?", and I think it was you, veritas :smile:
So if one can transform worry to care, one will be a large step further from fear to love.
:heart:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Great memory, BC!

Here's the link for those without Blue's steel trap mind. :wink:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5121867

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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: Veritas]
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yes, that it was. Thanks :blush:
Some things stay worth of reminder. That makes quality :wink: Even if I mixed the titles :heart:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Well you're talking about the line between fear as a stop and fear as some kind of awareness. Which makes a big difference. Sensing "fear" is normal and instinctual and in my opinion whatever comes from instinct is good and must be taken to account.
What really matters is what we do with that fear which really what is does it that it has the purpose to announce us that we must be careful. If we are able to do that without going nuts about it, then fear can be very valuable.
Fear if understood right, can be either our friend or our biggest enemy.
If you start to take a good look and start to analyse how humanity has developed, you'll realize that our biggest mistake's root was fear.
Still, in the same time you'll also realize that ones of our biggest realizations came also from fear understood and used in a positive way.
So, like anything in life, fear is bivalent, it can do us harm but it can also be our saver.


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: MushroomTrip]
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It would seem that FEAR as an emotion is extremely subjective and encorporates many different forms. Here you are trying to draw the distinction between them. Worrying vs Instinctual, rational vs pyhsiological Fear. They are both very commen and well studied.

"Fear is the number one reason that people fail to perform to the best of their ability." - Walk Lysak Jr

Ever heard of the Fight or Flight scenario? All fear is control, considered a survival defence by some, and psychologically induced. These are easily recognized features. What gives fear the power to do this to us? What fears are logical? How does a fear begin and escalate? Breaking each one down, finding the core...Fear is only an illusion.

Skorpivo - Conversely, FEAR is also a byproduct of insensibility and irrational. A Clinical Phobia is a perfect example, abnormally strong diversions to certain things or events...What you said makes alot of sense, I relate it to the Holocaust and The Nazi War machine.

"The day a child realized that darkness is commen everywhere and has confidence which overpowers the unknown, then growth has happened." - Wizolz

CerebralFlower - Yes, Yes...Fear becomes our weaknesses, our strongholds . Realize your not weak and fear has no power over you. Im not sold that consistant worrying actually leads to the outcome, it could actually be the first step to making positive changes to avoid it. Also, from reading your post over I realized that it was the Threat of pain which brought the fear (reaction)

Veritas - Yes, How strong perception is...The word "rechanneling" seems to allow space to consider alternative ways of dealing with it correctly. I tend to just live with it cause its part of life. Cant avoid it. I had a friend who loved becoming afraid because of the rush and realness it was over him, nightmares and such. He willing liked the change in feeling.


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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: WIZOLZ]
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fear chemically causes a stack shift in the stream of consciousness as well as generating a motivational and painful constricted and jumpy feeling - instigating "fight or flight".

i.e.
the normal stream of consciousness shifts gear such that:
what used to be
one thing following another that follows what went before and so on ... (this goes back all the way back fairly evenly to the moments following waking or since the last emotional or drug induced shift of mental state.)
gets changed into
a stacked stream of consciousness -everything happenning all at once - in which the things no longer fade quickly and so they stack up, stick around, haunt and resonate.

and with the adrenaline you feel tigher, closed in by impressions and thoughts.- and so you are in an exagerrated closed in "urgency stack"

NOTE stacking also happens with neutral and positive states of mind like love... though they are accompanied by indifference or by pleasure instead of by pain.

i.e. instead of feeling tight and closed in as with fear, with love, you feel strangely expansive and receptive and generous.

so
it comes down to pain or pleasure.
the two real feelings.

all the emotions are accompanied with a stacked stream of consciousness so that what would pass quickly is stacking up and layering thickly.

psychedellics also stack the stream, even more so than "emotional" fluctuation.

one can cultivate some indifference to surmount the tightness of fear.

so what triggers the fear?
can this be desensitized, deconditioned, unlearned?


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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: redgreenvines]
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Quote:
so what triggers the fear?
can this be desensitized, deconditioned, unlearned?


Fear is triggered by the perception of a threat. This perception occurs at the most basic level of our consciousness, then spreads like wildfire through our brain. Perhaps this system was more effective when life was simpler, and threats were direct and potentially life-threatening.

When faced with unfamiliar/disorienting/contradictory stimuli, our fear response may be at the same level of intensity as our primitive ancestor's was to an attack by a large predator. This is inappropriate and ineffective when the "threat" is a challenge to our established beliefs/lifestyle/habitual actions.

IMO, there is no way to reprogram the initial fear reaction, but Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy methods work well to stop the wildfire spreading through our "higher" consciousness.

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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: Veritas]
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Could any of you comprehend what it would be like to have fear not register within your head?

Just wondering...

And to add, the fear response is now as important to our social life and survival as it has ever was in the past, infact it was usually those not wired for fear in the tribe that were the ones relied on to protect it.

Edited by OmEgAx1 (04/21/06 01:21 PM)

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Re: FEAR... and what it brings [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Fear is a tool, it can be used on you, you can use it on others. But it will never help you. Dictators like Stalin, Hitler and Mao-tse-tung have used just that on the public only to live their entire lives in terror.

Let's take your example of the shark fins popping up in the midst of the ocean. Being afraid is an example of the primal instinct, adrenaline being secreted because of your flight or fight syndrome, in order to survive. It will not help you. If you actually knew how to deal with a shark in the water and acted in rational and collected manner you have a much higher chance of survival than just going all crazy in the water thinking you're going to die. All that unnecessary motion will do is attract the attention of the predator.

But what about the saying that one must confront their fears in order to overcome them?

Climbing a mountain is something that people do to challenge themselves, to find themselves, to confront their fears. Maybe after going through that death-defying experience of your hands getting sweaty as you're on the brink of falling down will dissolve your fear of heights. Once again, it will not help you, it will only dissolve that fear. Not having it to begin with will.

But should all of them be confronted? For example, I'm a pussy when it comes to horror films and get scared easily by them. Should I watch a horror flick marathon in order to overcome my fears? For what purpose - if I dont watch them I wont need that emotional response to get ahead anywhere in my life.

Fear is also the #1 submission tool. Never has the government used anything else but that emotional response to turn it's citizens to abide the law. Never has a tactic been proven to be more powerful, but it's a tactic that will turn against you and will never be tamed under control.

"Fear is the great teacher"
- Charles Manson


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