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Ego Death, How Cliche!
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So, I have a handful of psychadelic experiences under my belt at the moment, with DXM, Mushrooms and LSD, and I feel like it might be time to step it up to higher doses.

My highest dose was probably 3g of mushrooms, which was very very easily controllable and lucid and not confusing and purely positive for me. Until I smoked marijuana, which made it go a little strange, but I noticed that my constant trying to communicate with the person I was with, though amazing without marijuana and the new intensity, got somewhat irritating after smoking, since I was having trouble understanding logic and language.

So at this stage, I want to have a solo experience on mushrooms, and I want to maybe have the possibility of going to ego loss, but if not at least exploring myself much more, and I can always up the dose to an ego loss dose later. But I was thinking of just lying in bed and listening to music or not listening to music, and closing my eyes and just drifting off.

I have a couple of concerns though. One, I feel like I will listen to music, but people tend to reccomend silence? I guess I can just listen to music on the comedown and come up? I find music can certainly soften my ego and put me into a spiritual state, which might be a good thing to do on the come up. But then is it better to be in silence? If trying to do some intense introspection and even ego loss possibly?

Next, dose. I was thinking something like 2.5 with lemon? I will first try 1.5 with lemon witha friend to see how the lemon affects me. But theoretically, would 2.5 be a good dose? Keeping in mind it should be about as potent as 5g from what I hear of the lemon method.

Second, Sitters. Now, I probably COULD get a sitter. But I really feel like I dont want one. I mean, if I start freaking out I can always talk to someone, on msn or whatever, or phone to a friend, I have lots of friends I can trust. SO really the only issue it seems is if its possible for me to actually do anything dangerous? If I am just in bed, is there really any chance I will get out of bed and go down to the kitchen and pick up a knife and kill myself? or run into a street or something? I have ABOSULUTELY no suicidal feelings at all at all, and it seems like I wouldnt do anything dangerous, but I am just wondering if its a risk at all? Considering how out of my mind I will be.

Thanks!

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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Go ahead and try it if your experienced then you know how to handle your trip.

"people on mescaline can get over seeing their dead grandmother crawling up their leg with a knife in her teeth"


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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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On that kind of dose, I wouldn't worry about it too much. However, go much higher, and it is wise to have someone around who knows how to deal with you. Like what if you happen to see the uselessness of clothing and decide to take off all your clothes and run around naked? That is when you want a good sitter, one who will take charge of the situation and do whatever it is they can to make you safe. The hard part is finding someone who genuinely understands what mushrooms can do and how to deal with them. Which means experience is key. And no one, NO ONE, should ever try to fuck with you. Sadly, this is what most idiots think you are supposed to do while someone is tripping.

Also, the lemon juice method works for some and not for others. It is not a sure thing. Don't go into it thinking you will have somewhat of a five gram trip.


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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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I like music. I often listen to music straight through a trip, unless I'm outside.

Ego loss occurs at a level of intensity that makes your "inner world" so distracting that everything outside of your head becomes excess noise that adds to the confusion that results in that "loss of logic and language" of which you spoke.

Intense trippy music (I'd recommend Incubus' "Fungus Amongus" album) can really help to build the level of intensity necessary to get a strong ego to surrender.

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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Sorry for being slightly off-topic, but what is the deal with this "lemon" thing you guys are talking about?

I had made a "super-citrus" drink and blended shrooms into it a few times. I would have intense trips off of 1.0 and 1.5 grams. I was not sure if this was the drink I mixed them with or if I just had some really potent shrooms. The drink was a mix of orange juice, lemon juice, lime juice, and a bit of grenadine syrup for taste.

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: Darcho]
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Darcho said:
Sorry for being slightly off-topic, but what is the deal with this "lemon" thing you guys are talking about?

I had made a "super-citrus" drink and blended shrooms into it a few times. I would have intense trips off of 1.0 and 1.5 grams. I was not sure if this was the drink I mixed them with or if I just had some really potent shrooms. The drink was a mix of orange juice, lemon juice, lime juice, and a bit of grenadine syrup for taste.


Lemon shots, or any highly acidic (or apparently, alkaline for that matter) liquid immediately begins to convert the more stable psilocybin into psilocin through 'Dephosphorylation.' Psilocin (4-ho-DMT) is the actual chemical present at the 5HTP receptor sites.

Lemon shots, or any concoction which is very acidic basically shortens the 'breaking down' process and allows the active ingredients to be rapidly absorbed, because so much active material is absorbed so quickly, the effects on-set is much quicker and much more intense.

Apparently, it is also a much more conservative method... either because more active compounds are delivered to the receptor sites quicker, resulting in a stronger trip, or because less active material is lost during the 'breaking down' process...


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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: Herbus]
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Ok so, I will do my own lemon experiments anyways, lets not worry about that, and lets just say a 5g experience for example.

Would you guys think thats a good dose to experiment with? Or is the jump from 3g with a friend to 5g alone too much? And with a dose of 5g what kind of experience am I likely to have? Ego loss? Or just intense introspectiveness? Am I going to be on the fringe of ego loss and aggrivated?

Im aware its not a black and white scenario, Im just curious what is average in your experience.

Edited by michael_lifshitz (04/20/06 04:38 PM)

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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Yeah I definitely have a perfect sitter, it just seems like the presence of a sitter would be strange because a) it seems like they should be tripping with me, and b) its just a strange presence. To have two people in one room but not talking, it just seems strange.

However, I agree with your idea of building up dose more gradually, I dont see why I would be in any rush/

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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Your initial post sounds exactly like the thoughts I had when first contemplating tripping alone lying down with music.

I'd reccomend it. :wink:

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: TurricaN]
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I would treat the lemon juice thing as a separate experiment.

Otherwise, I would eat 5 grams. I disagree with the idea of having a sitter. It would almost certainly make ego disintegration much more difficult, if not impossible. Yes, it would be "safer" to have someone there. It would also be "safer" if you were in a padded room -- but that's not necessary. Maybe you could have someone on speed dial..?

It's a good thing to be deliberate in your drug-taking, but don't build up your doses too gradually, otherwise the familiarity of the experience will decrease the novelty/intensity of the next trip.


-->(I also agree with TurricaN.)

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: Land_Crab]
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personally at least on mushrooms I don't really see much value to sitters. I have found if the dose is high enough that I might try something really dumb I will also be so inebriated that I won't be moving around. But here again I have a bit of experience with them. I guess for somebody totally unexperienced it might be different...

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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The only thing ego loss does is allow for a more powerful,psychedelic ego to be formulated,if your in the zone
na sayin'


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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: krin]
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Ok, so then I think I will try and figure out a sitter. But I mean, I have a perfect person in every respect, but I just dont know how to go about it all? Like what shoudl the sitter be doing and stuff? It just seems strange. It seems like I would feel analyzed. Or something?

And then I guess a lot of people still do have solo experiences, but maybe I just shouldnt try that high of a dose, like maybe 4g solo? Considering 3g was very under my control. Or is that still going to be a big difference?

By the way, what were you refering to about sources on the internet for sitter-psychonaut relationship? I have read the psychadelic experience but that is all I can think of.

Thank you very much.

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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michael_lifshitz said:
Ok, so then I think I will try and figure out a sitter. But I mean, I have a perfect person in every respect, but I just dont know how to go about it all? Like what shoudl the sitter be doing and stuff? It just seems strange. It seems like I would feel analyzed. Or something?


There's a kind of best-of-both scenario you could try. I think the perfect sitter is someone that will agree to remain two or three rooms away, reading a book or something. You have something like a little tibetan bell, or gym whistle, or something. You ring the bell, and they poke their head in the room and tell you everything's fine, get you the drink of water you need, etc.

But this allows you to quickly forget about them once they've left. Many times, just the presence of another person will hold you to the surface, especially if they haven't taken psilocybin with you.

Just an idea.


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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: Psilocyan]
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That all seems to make sense. I have a good friend who has a very very simialr mind about psychadelics as me and we have had a number of experiences together, and we are both very very open and have built a lot of trust between us. I think he would be more than perfect, and I could repay him afterwards by sitting in for him.

I guess he could just like read or something? It seems like sitting quietly in a room in a house for 4 or 5 hours could be annoying. But oh well, we will find something for the sitter to do.

Thank you very much for all the help. I think I may try a dose of 3.5 or something alone just because. I am quite confident in myself at that level I think, and then certainly will look into doing something with a sitter and all with a higher dose of around 5g later on.

Thanks again. I really appreciate it, and dont think for a second I would rather be rash than cautious. I am certainly all about caution, which is why I am trying to really udnerstand everything, and not jump into anything without knowing what it is Im jumping into.

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: michael_lifshitz]
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You have the right attitude, and are approaching the mushroom with respect and care. I think you've taken all the right steps to the perfect trip. Good luck!

p.s. be sure to write a trip report and let us know how it goes.


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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: Psilocyan]
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I certainly will, but I doubt it will be for a few weeks.

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: Psilocyan]
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Psilocyan said:
There's a kind of best-of-both scenario you could try. I think the perfect sitter is someone that will agree to remain two or three rooms away, reading a book or something. You have something like a little tibetan bell, or gym whistle, or something. You ring the bell, and they poke their head in the room and tell you everything's fine, get you the drink of water you need, etc.

But this allows you to quickly forget about them once they've left. Many times, just the presence of another person will hold you to the surface, especially if they haven't taken psilocybin with you.

Just an idea.



I think that's a great idea.  :thumbup:

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: Land_Crab]
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ego loss everyone has some kind of minimal dose where it can happen, so dont bother taking like 2g and waiting for it...I cannot reach it with music it takes my attention and makes me look at the visuals, which at the moment of ego death is what you don't got to do.

I experienced it with my gf layed down by me talkin nonsense and before ego death I was like oh shes keepin me away from it blahblah, I though I had to look deep into the visuals or sometn...as soon as I understood you have to just let go of the trip ego death happened she kept askin me stuff but it was like extraordinary carelessness about human game that shes tryin to do with my dormant self.

'If somebody tells you he/she is always in control, they just haven't gone too far yet.' amen ;p

it is bliss

Edited by Grapefruity (04/22/06 06:56 PM)

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Re: Ego Death, How Cliche! [Re: Grapefruity]
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Another one of those quotes I like..."If you haven't done enough to where you think you may have done too much, you did too little."

And thanks for the praise there land_crab.


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