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 Oscuro_lobo
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 LSD and the Ego 
#1665737 - 06/27/03 06:04 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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 Sheepish
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It depends on the person really.
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Oscuro_lobo
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 Re: LSD and the Ego [Re: Sheepish]
#1665845 - 06/27/03 06:40 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sheepish
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Just let him be. Perhaps one day he'll have a completely awe inspiring trip on acid, and he may change his thinking. Or maybe he won't. Either way, you can't really force anything on him.
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Phencyclidine
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IMO, "ego death" is a meaningless term, so no.
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Your face is a meaningless term.
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Phencyclidine
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Re: LSD and the Ego [Re: Brugman]
#1666505 - 06/27/03 11:28 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's constructive. It really is.
EDIT - It doesn't mean anything to me. If the ego is the 'experiencing I', then ego death should just be unconsciousness.
Edited by Phencyclidine (06/27/03 11:31 AM)
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Vats of Blood
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i havent had ego death but i think its more like forgetting who you are and shit
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Seuss
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Quote:
Phencyclidine said:
EDIT - It doesn't mean anything to me. If the ego is the 'experiencing I', then ego death should just be unconsciousness.
I used to think the same thing...
Ego death isn't the loss of 'experiencing I', but rather the loss of 'defining I'. I simply exist, I simply experience... I don't exist with respect to how cute I am, or what other people think of me, or what I think of other people... This way of being extends beyond the self to everything that is experienced. Everything is seen as it is, without judgement or comparision to anything else. Blue is green...
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Re: LSD and the Ego [Re: Seuss]
#1666799 - 06/27/03 04:57 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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In response to the original question, I do not think it is a good idea to give someone LSD with the intention of changing their selfish and egotistical behaviors (as this would also be a selfish and egotistical behavior). Think about all the people who potentially have issues with some of your own behaviors. Would you want them to try and change you? With LSD? I would not.
However, I also wouldn't want to be a prick to my friends and if something I was doing or my general attitude was turning someone off, I would like to know about it so *I* could try to fix things or at least be conscious of my affect on others.
If you are really close to this person, try talking to him about how specific behaviors make you feel in a nonconfrontational manner. Act from there. I'd also suggest exploring your own acceptance of your friend (I mean, there are a lot of selfish people out there, why is his behavior so unacceptable to you?).
On the other hand, if it is your friend, himself, that is seeking this change, then perhaps this form of exploration could be helpful, but it is far from a sure thing.
Hope it works out well.
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Phencyclidine
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Re: LSD and the Ego [Re: Seuss]
#1667279 - 06/27/03 09:10 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you mean that you see Ego-death as an experience where the experiencing entity interprets itself as something blank, like a projector screen for example, and goes around collecting experiences? IOW, the ego choses to identify itself as not existing? If this is the case, then how does perspective come about without subject formation? (what I mean is, that by adopting a specific point of view, then doesn't that cause some sort of identification by locating the experiencing entity in time and space?)
And back to the original question, I simply don't think that acid is going to be the answer. I think that psychedelics are best used by people who have chosen to use them for whatever reasons, and are not as well used due to someone else's agenda no matter how positive the reasons might be.
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Seuss
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I don't know what I mean... it is difficult to put into words... and I agree with your second point as well. 
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Re: LSD and the Ego [Re: Seuss]
#1667455 - 06/28/03 12:15 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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>>I'm just wondering, if he dosed... do you think he'd come back down a little? Not be such a fucking prick about things? Chill the fuck out a bit?
No. It's up to him to make changes in his personality. Ego-loss won't necessarily humble him in any way. And if he's cocky going into the trip, he'd probably flip out instead of chill out.
And yes, LSD can bring about ego loss. For me personally it would happen on ten strips or more.
Love & Light,
Boppity
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Oscuro_lobo
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Re: LSD and the Ego [Re: Boppity604]
#1667460 - 06/28/03 12:17 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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ArmFromTheAbyss
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I think that ego loss and what the original question is asking are not necessarily related. Ego loss is a whole other debate. You don't need ego loss to have positive effects on the soul from psychedelics. Of course, you already kind of stated this 
But, in my experiences with LSD and tripping really is that if taken from time to time respectfully, they can help clear your mind in a sense. When I mean clear your mind I'm talking about toning down the ego a few notches and being mellow. Sort of like a reinforcement of what has been learned in the past. Personally, I feel at times like tripping would really help me sort out a lot of things and help me have a turning point in my life. Of course, you can't be in the wrong mind state and try to figure out negative problems, it would only create more problems.
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