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liatris
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Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ?
#5488698 - 04/07/06 01:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi All -
I do not know if what I am seeking truly exists but this is what I am looking for. Although, I do not believe that all dreams have profound, divinatory messages, I do believe that some give specific, practical information that is very much based in reality. I have had a truly helpful premonitory dream. Having said that, I am wondering if anyone out there has used something for dreaming while sleeping at night that is NOT really hallucinogenic and not just spinning and weaving visuals but something that did bring about a connection with *something* that resulted in the deliverance of a truly relevant/premonitory message. Not being vastly familiar with the options, I only know of two substances that *may* do this. Shamanic Extracts has a plant extract, Calcea zacatechichi (dream herb)- but does it just increase images and dreams in general - or something more helpful/"real" ? I would be interested in anyone's experience with this. The other would be Savia divinatorum (sp?) - is this seriously hallucinogenic ? Can you have a good sleep under it's influence ? Or is one meant to be awake to experience the "divinatorum" aspect ? Again, one can deduce all sorts of things from images - but any experiencers feel, in retrospect that the experience was akin to taking a "psychic pill" ? Any other possible substances ?
Thanks for any input,
Liatris
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Zorodius
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: liatris]
#5488847 - 04/07/06 02:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Salvia Divinorum is a staggeringly powerful short-acting hallucinogen. You will not be able to sleep while under its effects. Please research any psychoactive chemical thoroughly before trying it, erowid will answer a lot of your questions.
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: Zorodius]
#5489037 - 04/07/06 06:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Personally, I don't think it's possible to seek out a 'divinatory message' or earth shattering spiritual experience. It comes to you when you're ready, you just have to be patient.
Edited by Akamatsu (04/07/06 08:23 AM)
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badchad
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: Akamatsu]
#5489061 - 04/07/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Have you tried going to church?
-------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did. Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27. ...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely. Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
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liatris
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: Zorodius]
#5489083 - 04/07/06 06:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks, Zorodius.
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liatris
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: badchad]
#5489091 - 04/07/06 07:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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- thanks - just to clarify - want I meant by divinitory (not really a word)is relating to divination(uncovering hidden knowledge/messages) - not divinity.
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Gliders
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: liatris]
#5489294 - 04/07/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I once had a dream in which I was shown a game-boy type device that had two cords wih probles running from it. I instinctively took the probes and put them to my abdomen, and the screen on the gameboy became an ultrasound image. I clearly saw that I was pregnant, and that it was in the tubes. I said to myself out loud, "I'd better go to the doctor!"
After a couple of weeks of hounding the doctor to see me sooner than a month, they finally confirmed what my dream told me, and just in time for surgery.
BTW-- I had no idea I was pregnant at that time, much less that there was a problem. Is this the type of experience you're asking about?
Also-- yes, Salvia taken in small doses before bedtime can help me have dreams that feel more meaninful, as can the dream herb you mentioned. It can create the environment and the likelihood that you'll remember it, but it won't induce prophetic dreams.
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liatris
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: Gliders]
#5491904 - 04/08/06 02:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi Gliders - Very interesting dream - YES - that is the type of dream I was referring to - a truly helpful, prophetic dream. The information from your dream may have saved your life. Thanks for the info on the herbs' potential. I have heard two reports of people drinking strong reishi tea (boiled ? 4-5 mushrooms) in the afternoon and experiencing NARRATED dreams where someone seems to instruct you on different topics in your life. These seemed to be of a psychological nature (the help)- I am not sure that prophetic,practical messages would come from this. Have you ever tried the Reich tea for these types of dreams. Both people said they felt they had decades of therapy after doing this a few nights in a row !
Thanks,
Liatris
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: liatris]
#5491952 - 04/08/06 03:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know some people who say that the salvia leaf is very good when seeking vivid dreams (when sleeping).
Honestly what you are looking for can be found in hallucinogens. If thus far, you dont find hallucinogenic messages to be relavent, you arnt getting any of the "messages". As far as drugs that fascilitate the ability to receive premonitory messages. The answer is ayahuasca, and less so smoked dmt. After those two drugs have been used with full force your dreams may react by becoming far more intense, for life. Im not just saying you can kinda notice a difference in your dreams, I mean they become far more than you ever expected from them.
To explain why ayahuasca in particulare does this as well as hinting at the ability to see into the future has a very scientific basis. Not one you or anyone has read about. It has to do with the massive amounts of associations you cant make per second. When all those associations work together, seeing the future can become, to some extent, very real via the fractal memory and a sort of unfathomable form of cognative math. I dont mean magic, im talking the science behind what might be called magic. What I say is for real, but to experience this you basically have to go nuts.....
Reguardless of how far you want to take it, there is no psychic pill, but ayahuasca changes the way you dream forever....... It has alot to do with how dmt naturally occures in the brain and is released far more-so when you sleep......
Believe me, there is much hidden knowledge within the ayahuasca experience. SOme people are more wired to receive the messages than others. There are very cut and dry ways to recieve the messages, but they are secrets, and no one here who knows what im talking about is going to write a thick book in order to convey how this is all possible.... There are few words when it comes to this crazy thing called ayahuasca.
Edited by stemmer (04/08/06 04:20 AM)
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: stemmer]
#5492981 - 04/08/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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after using salvia normally (i.e. a smoke or 2 in the day) the following night usually has much more vivid dreams.
If you walk the day in a state of receptivity, then you will walk the night in receptivity too, but no amount of salvia will change a person who is unreceptive to paradox and the sublime.
as to the revelation of hidden knowledge, the functional mind states support a stream of consciousness which permits relationships with other people and machines in this world that are sustaining, like working, driving, cooking, child rearing etc. The functional mind seems yoked into mundanity and locked out of "secret knowledge"; it is too busy with the milk and cleaning to see what a symphony life already is.
transcendental states are replete with exposure of hidden knowledge that is volatile or inaccessible when returned to functional states of mind.
however, one may be earnest in the effort to re-connect with the infinite, with the whence we have come, with the whither doth one go, and the what the fuck is going on now.
if one is earnest then one can seek a way that resonates well with the insights from transcendental states while still functional, and which enables reconnection with the exotic all at once magesty that underpins this functional mind as well.
I like salvia for the peekaboo intensity with the other side, and I try to make that connection more available to ordinary mind.
what was the question? "secret knowledge"? there are no secrets. you already know all there is you just need to be able to unlearn the filters.
in a way, this is a divinatory message to you in your functional mind, expect no more than the pointing of a finger while you can stand and read and talk to your friend on the phone.
But when you are on the other side, this message is largely irrelavent...
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: liatris]
#15761609 - 02/04/12 06:50 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I too am seeking the message that transcends this illusion of reality.
I've been lurking on this forum for the past couple of months, I just got the courage to come and post this message. I've been doing so much research on near death experiences, connectedness, cosmic consciousness and the universe, LSD, acid, shrooms, and I want to try some now. I've read trip reports, and I love the perspective gained from people's experiences. I'm a pretty shy person, educated, and I lack no-how on how to obtain it. I'm pretty sure I'd look out of place if I went to places where hippies may frequent. I've even considered trying salvia, but reading about it, I find it may not give me to perspective that I'm looking for.
I know that it's an illegal drug, I'm highly opposed to it being illegal, but I know that doesn't change anything. Given its potential to enlighten us as a species I don't understand why it is. I really would like some help. Any guidance would be much appreciated and will contribute to your karma 
Please help
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@PerspectiveSeeking:
I was in the same situation as you when I began journeying into the psychedelic world.. I didn't know where to go to find what I wanted! Strangely, ever since I stopped looking for it, it keeps finding me, lol!
Anyways, what I started with was San Pedro, since you can buy it on ebay.. get at least 14 inches.. or, if you live in a state where mush spores are legal, you can learn how to grow your own shrooms..
san pedro definitely gave me the earth-shattering experience I was looking for.. but it was only later on an 1/8 of shrooms that God spoke to me.. (or at least I interpreted it as God, but who knows )
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I heard tripping is fun.. so I don't tie my shoes before I go for a run... I'm so special that I'm retarded. Things I've done: San Pedro Cactus(mescaline), Marijuana(smoked, cannabutter, dabs), MDMA, Mushrooms, LSD, Cocaine(insufflated), Crystal meth(insufflated, smoked), DOx blotter, ketamine(insufflated), DMT(smoked), MDA, Pharms (Adderall, Oxycodone, Hydromorphone, Fentanyl, Vicodin, Codeine, Wellbutrin, Tramadol, Prozac, Metoprolol, Nebivolol, Lorazepam)
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: Akamatsu]
#15761904 - 02/04/12 08:04 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Akamatsu said: Personally, I don't think it's possible to seek out a 'divinatory message' or earth shattering spiritual experience. It comes to you when you're ready, you just have to be patient.
So true!!!!! I had been looking for mushrooms for more than a year, then gave up, and FINALLY a few weeks before New Year's, I found a buddy who happened to have some and it made sooooo much sense, in a way that I can't really describe in words, that it was destined for me to have this experience specifically on New Year's 2012!
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I heard tripping is fun.. so I don't tie my shoes before I go for a run... I'm so special that I'm retarded. Things I've done: San Pedro Cactus(mescaline), Marijuana(smoked, cannabutter, dabs), MDMA, Mushrooms, LSD, Cocaine(insufflated), Crystal meth(insufflated, smoked), DOx blotter, ketamine(insufflated), DMT(smoked), MDA, Pharms (Adderall, Oxycodone, Hydromorphone, Fentanyl, Vicodin, Codeine, Wellbutrin, Tramadol, Prozac, Metoprolol, Nebivolol, Lorazepam)
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1066
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: Shroomarathoner]
#15762144 - 02/04/12 09:03 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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What kind of perspective are you looking for? What knowledge are you seeking? The answers matter, general statements help nothing. Ask yourself specifically what you want, maybe psychedelics are the answer, maybe not. Some personality types should Never trip What ever you do, never disrespect a psychedelic.
-------------------- Oh bliss! Bliss and heaven! Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh. It was like a bird of rarest-spun heaven metal or like silvery wine flowing in a spaceship, gravity all nonsense now. As I slooshied, I knew such lovely pictures!
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: liatris]
#15762170 - 02/04/12 09:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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liatris said: ...want I meant by divinitory (not really a word)is relating to divination(uncovering hidden knowledge/messages) - not divinity.
One time I realized I had been given hidden knowledge via an internet forum while I was searching for a stashed stash. Someone wrote "..neck of the palm tree.." and yep, that's where it was.
edit: Now where is it this time?
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: Akamatsu]
#15762332 - 02/04/12 09:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Akamatsu said: Personally, I don't think it's possible to seek out a 'divinatory message' or earth shattering spiritual experience. It comes to you when you're ready, you just have to be patient.
I totally agree It will come when it comes. In my experience It won't come all at once but in dribs and drabs. WHY do you want to be asleep I am not talking from experience but insight, wisdom and knowledge
If you want to go far down the rabbit hole, just like Alice did. You have to visit many times, before you get to defeat the dragon just as she had done. (You start off small (using small quantities of cannabis, salvia, dmt, lsd, mushrooms) gaining experience and wisdom and then As you progress you use larger and larger doses. As I hear at very high doses of mushrooms Could lose touch of your consciouses self and go deep into your unconscious mind. Or the spirit world or whatever you like to call it. I have herd salvia can definitely bring you what you desire but you will never reach the level of consciousness that Neo from the Matrix had in a short weekend trip. USE divination seeking drugs with care and do not abuse them we wouldn't want you to get lost in that other world or you may end up seeing the madness that lies within. Like the hatter. Also I heard Mercury is fun but will send you mad
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: 1066]
#15763938 - 02/05/12 11:05 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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@1066
Have you ever felt like you're trapped in your own thoughts? In my readings (which have been over the course of a very long time) I'm realizing that nothing has ever happened to me that could potentially give me a perspective that's outwardly focused. I KNOW that there is more out there than what I see. But for some reason I feel like I'm trapped in a box, with a filter so thick it's impossible to escape the box. I feel like I can't even see the hole from which to escape.
There have been lots of things happening that have led me to want to try psychedelics. Almost like I'm being pointed to it. It's hard to explain.
I know there is something bigger than us out there. I've felt it all my life. I've also known all my life that we're all one, without knowing why I knew. I know I sound crazy, but seeing it instead of feeling it and feeling weird for feeling it is what I'm looking for.
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joemolloy
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PerspectiveSeeking said: I too am seeking the message that transcends this illusion of reality.
Given its potential to enlighten us as a species
I've been exploring for a while and I'm still the same fool I was before my psychedelic education. I've only found the peace fleeting, the truths quickly crumble, and the idea of death just as un-penetrating and untouchable as when sober. I think its a dead end. Its so subjective and personal and open-ended that you can read any old nonsense into the tea leaves and proclaim that you're onto something. Anything goes.
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1066
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: joemolloy]
#15764381 - 02/05/12 01:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, I know acutely how you feel. Bur remember, you are far from alone. Most people who think, realize reality is not what "THEY" say it is. Allot of who you are is the result of your interpretation of external influences. Psychedelics wont "give you THE ANSWERS" what they will do is SHOW you another way of interpreting the information coming in,and finding your own answers. ITS ALL ABOUT PERSPECTIVE. Don't worry so much, you will get your answers, it just takes TIME.....IMHO Oh, sense you read, try Illusions by Richard Bach
-------------------- Oh bliss! Bliss and heaven! Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh. It was like a bird of rarest-spun heaven metal or like silvery wine flowing in a spaceship, gravity all nonsense now. As I slooshied, I knew such lovely pictures!
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Re: Seeking true divinatory message - Advice ? [Re: joemolloy]
#15764498 - 02/05/12 01:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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@joemalloy
What are you doing in your life to allow those truths to crumble? Why aren't you capitalizing on the truths? My career path potentially could touch millions of lives. But I want to be as open as possible to what the universe is telling me that I need to do.
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