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OfflineShroomInduced
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Xbox 360 vs PC
    #5487318 - 04/06/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, I was just poking around online reading about some xbox 360 shit, I'm considering buying one, they are nice. But i stumbled upon some xbox sites claiming the xbox 360 is more power full than a PC.... WOW these people are so fucking dumb its unbelievable. A xbox 360 is nothing more than a comp stuck inside a small case that you can hook a controller up to. I mean WTF are they thinking, ATI developed the graphics card for it, its based off of the OLD X1800 chip. These fucking morons have no clue. Yeah Id like to see the 360 outperform my dual core amd x4200, 2 gigs ram, raided raptors, x1800 512, liquid cooled. Wow, ignorance makes me so pissed! I'm starting to really dislike alienware, but i know for a fact this laptop would smoke the 360 as well http://www.alienware.com/product_detail_...de=SKU-DEFAULT.


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: ShroomInduced]
    #5487364 - 04/06/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Just because your PC is better than an Xbox 360 dosent mean all are. Im sure the 360 is better than my comp. Its a poor analogy, condsidering "PC" is a very broad catagory and "X-Box 360" is a narrow one.


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: ShroomInduced]
    #5487373 - 04/06/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well, from the perspective of performance versus cost. I'd say the 360 has you beat. You're machine is more powerful than most pcs, and very few pc makers even offer the package you have.

Fact is the 360 is pretty powerful 1 teraflop of theoretical performance ain't bad. But of course there are a few people out there that will build or buy from a specialty pc builder a faster machine.

But I'm betting you probably dished out about 8 to 10 times the price of the 360 for your machine. Depending on when you got the x1800, you probably paid more for just that graphics card than people are paying for a 360.

The funny thing is that the 360 is most likely faster than your machine...LOL

Since it's got multi-cores cycling at around 4ghz. And the machine is optimized for gaming alone. You're x4200 barely squeeks into the high 2 GHz range. How funny is that?

Fact is, the pc is more powerful, but not by much.


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: skriptkiddy]
    #5487540 - 04/06/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

LoL you cant compare ghz with amd, they proccess in a completly diffrent way than intels, its funny that my 4200 dualcore smokes intels 3.2ghz dual cores. And the 360 is not faster. Proof? The TFLOPS I can achive are about 4.8. So actully i guess my comp is about 4 times better than the 360. Granted I did pay 2,200 for my machine, I can do alot more with it. I can steal movies and software, i get free online gaming in most cases, I can burn movies, I can upgrade it at anytime. Not to mention i have ten times the amount of storage than the 360. oh and the ram on the 360 is only 512... If i combine video ram and system ram i have 2.5GB of total ram LMAO


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: ShroomInduced]
    #5487574 - 04/06/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Im still confused as to why you would compare your $2,200 dollar personal computer to a $400 counsel system? Is there some game you play that is on both?


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: ShroomInduced]
    #5487595 - 04/06/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The 360 is PowerPC based, not Intel. It boasts a custom 3.2 Ghz Triple Core processor.


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: darkfly]
    #5488022 - 04/06/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Also consider the 360 doesn't run windows, so it has a very large advantage there.


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: darkfly]
    #5488330 - 04/06/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the correction. For some reason, thought they were 4 giggers. What's up with masked boy calculating 4+ teraflops for his comp? LOL.
The AMD's have hypertransport, which provides more speed via a 2GHz point to point link as opposed to the intel front side bus. Anyway, your 2 somethiing gig AMD cannot product 4 teraflops unless you're using some type of fuzzy math...

But this is all a moot point since the 360 doesn't even use intels...


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: skriptkiddy]
    #5488980 - 04/07/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Anybody that has designed chips will be laughing at all the clock speeds being tossed around in debate. Clock speeds, with respect to CPU throughput, are almost completely meaningless. The whole CPU Hz myth started as a marketing gimick with Intel. The number that really matters, but that is almost never stated, is called average CPI (cycles per instruction). This is a real metric that determines how fast, on average, the CPU will perform a given task. A well designed computer benchmark measures average CPI. This is why some slower clocked computers perform better than some higher clocked computers on various benchmarks.

Anybody that debates how fast a processor (or computer) is based upon clock speed has shown their ignorance on the subject.


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: Seuss]
    #5490246 - 04/07/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly, Seuss, I think you know everything.

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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: RuNE]
    #5490447 - 04/07/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

> Honestly, Seuss, I think you know everything.

Hardly.  There are many people that post on the forums that are much more intelligent/educated than I.  However, I have had a very diverse education within science and engineering.  The statements made above about CPI were taught in an electrical engineering graduate level computer architecture class.  Chapter one.  :smile:


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: ShroomInduced]
    #5490701 - 04/07/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You can have all the processing power in the world, but it won't matter if the software can't take advantage of it. Tri-cored CPU....whats the point. It won't play games any better than A single core AMD 64 @ 2.2GHz.

Personal prefference I guess.


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: barfightlard]
    #5491972 - 04/08/06 04:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

> Tri-cored CPU....whats the point.

Similiar to pipelining, multi-cored CPUs can increase the overall throughput of the CPU. However, a poorly designed multi-cored cpu, such as Intels HyperThreading technology, can actually perform worse than a single core cpu. In the Intel design, the cores share a single cache memory. With large systems, the cache memory gets thrashed by the competing cores reducing overall performance. This example is a design "flaw" (to save money), not a problem with the multi-core paradigm.

> It won't play games any better than A single core AMD 64 @ 2.2GHz.

I am confused. Why would you compare a technology to a specific chip? I have no doubt that there will be multi-cored CPUs produced that will outperform the CPU you mentioned. Perhaps I misread something?

As others have mentioned, to make a fair comparison, one needs to account for the cost of the solution. Which is better, a computer that can perform a task in 10 minutes that costs $100, or a computer that can perform the same task in 1 minute, but costs $1,000,000? If we divide the time by the cost, we see that the cheaper/slower computer is much more cost effective as a solution.


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: Seuss]
    #5492061 - 04/08/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Seuss thanks for your input in this thread, it's very interesting. I don't want to hijack, but do you have any suggestions for websites or articles that cover CPI and processor architecture and function? It would be really interesting if you did :thumbup:


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Re: Xbox 360 vs PC [Re: Seuss]
    #5492403 - 04/08/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Similiar to pipelining, multi-cored CPUs can increase the overall throughput of the CPU."

But whats the good in that if your bottlenecked by the GPU?


"I am confused. Why would you compare a technology to a specific chip? I have no doubt that there will be multi-cored CPUs produced that will outperform the CPU you mentioned. Perhaps I misread something?"

If your multitasking or running sysnthetic benchmarks I agree, but in the gaming world right now(PC at least) software developers haven't really done anything to allow there games to gain any real performance with a multi core chip.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2484&p=10

Is it that different in the xbox world?

xbox vs pc though....game performance will be similar if you have a high end system(we are comparing newest consol tech, so it's only fair to asume we are talking about the newest PC tech.)

PC has superior online play I think

Xbox is cheaper, but you you get next to nothing compared to the PC with the variety of use....


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