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OfflineVats of Blood
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Laptop - Mac vs PC?
    #2611185 - 04/28/04 01:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm going to be getting a laptop soon, which will be dedicated to audio programs and nothing else.

I keep hearing that if I'm going to be working with audio/music programs (namely Reason, Cubase, other soft synth programs, etc), I should get a Mac.

However, it seems that in order to get somewhere near the same speed/quality components as say, a Dell, I would end up paying upwards of $3,000.

I would just like to hear arguments for and against both systems.


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2611291 - 04/28/04 02:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

> to get somewhere near the same speed

Speed between a Mac and a PC is very misleading. The Mac uses a RISC chip while the PC uses a CISC chip. On a risc chip, every instruction executes in one clock cycle. On a cisc chip, a single instruction can take several (sometimes as many as 30 to 50) clock cycles to complete. To make it even more complex, the RISC chip may require several instructions to accomplish the same computation that a CISC chip does with a single instruction.

For a true measure of speed, you need to look at CPI (cycles per instruction) on average over a normal programs execution. RISC almost always wins out with this metric. It is also easier for a compiler to optimize RISC instructions when creating a binary program from code.


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2611853 - 04/28/04 04:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I belive Macs are better and faster, but they are expensive and the software is made for certain versions of OS's. Its like this, imagine that every time you get a new OS you had to replace the software you have because it no longer works on your computer. You can get software that allows the old software to work on the new OS but the speed is compromised greatly.


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Radcon]
    #2612123 - 04/28/04 05:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The Mac OS X is based on BSD Unix. I have read that the free source code for many many programs which run on unix can be downloaded, compiled and run on OS X with no problem.

Since I have never done this myself, anyone who has experience should correct me if I'm wrong.


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Evolving]
    #2612222 - 04/28/04 06:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

> Since I have never done this myself, anyone who has experience should correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct. Most of the programs you speak of are text/console based apps.


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2612379 - 04/28/04 06:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If you are only working with audio or video i would suggest a mac. They are deffinatly better for those appilcations but as a normal home comp i would go with a pc.

And you shouldnt have changed your name back.


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: d33p]
    #2613831 - 04/29/04 12:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

yeah i really dont like using macs, but thats why i have a pc at home...

...ill probably end up getting a mac laptop...eh


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2645113 - 05/06/04 01:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i think i decided on a mac powerbook:

? 1.5GHz PowerPC G4 with 64MB Graphics Memory
? 512MB DDR333 SDRAM - 1 SO-DIMM
? 80GB Ultra ATA drive @ 5400 rpm
? SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
? Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
? AirPort Extreme Card
? Professional 15 Backpack Case by Brenthaven
? Rechargeable Battery - 15-inch Aluminum PowerBook G4
? 15.2-inch TFT Display
Subtotal $3,195.00

is this worth all the extra money? i could get a really kickass pc laptop for much much cheaper...i just want to make sure that i'm not wasting 1-2 thousand dollars.


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2645168 - 05/06/04 01:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

All I can say is: Wow... :shake:


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: daba]
    #2645196 - 05/06/04 01:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

or you could tell me why you said that.


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2658140 - 05/09/04 09:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

uuggghh...apple just raped me in the ass with $$$...


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2659137 - 05/10/04 12:00 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i was going to get a mac for the same reasonn...i ended up getting a dell for half the price........


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2661579 - 05/11/04 02:14 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

for a good easy to use unix box id get a mac. but remember less compatable apps and many less good games/ i know im a mac user


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2662027 - 05/11/04 07:28 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

There is nothing a MAC can do that a PC variant cannot. Its pointless to spend all that money just to be a mac zealot.


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Barbi]
    #2662111 - 05/11/04 09:00 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

> There is nothing a MAC can do that a PC variant cannot.

I can boot a MAC as a standalone firewire device by holding down the T button while booting.  Show me a PC, variant or otherwise, based on Intel 80x86 with standard bios, that can do that.  :wink:

The MAC uses OpenBios, which is very powerful.  I can write forth routines to extend the BIOS on the fly... show me a PC that allows you to extend its bios functionality as you see fit...

The MAC can run either big endian or little endian segements.  I am not sure if the OS supports this feature, but the CPU certainly does.

(These are a few of the things that I have seen that a MAC can do that a PC cannot.  Granted, most people wouldn't know or care...)


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Seuss]
    #2662285 - 05/11/04 10:28 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

p.s. Things that a user actually cares about.

There are things a Sun e15k can do that an intel or mac proc cannot, but they dont really apply.


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Barbi]
    #2662416 - 05/11/04 11:17 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

> p.s. Things that a user actually cares about.

:grin:  Agree, with everything except the tango mode (standalone firewire device).  I use it all the time... it is great for transfering data from one machine to another... especially when one of the machines has a corrupt or dead OS.

> There are things a Sun e15k can do that an intel or mac proc cannot

Actually, the UltraSPARC is my favorite chip.  64-bit instruction set, regsiter windows, lots of general purpose registers, etc...  Don't get me started... :wink:


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2662422 - 05/11/04 11:18 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I just bought the exact same computer about 2 weeks ago, except I chose the 128 meg VRAM option. It is currently replacing my 2 - 3 year old 667 Powerbook G4 which I just sold for about 1200 bucks.


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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Barbi]
    #2662464 - 05/11/04 11:29 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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There is nothing a MAC can do that a PC variant cannot. Its pointless to spend all that money just to be a mac zealot.



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Re: Laptop - Mac vs PC? [Re: Vats of Blood]
    #2664063 - 05/11/04 06:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Go with what you know. If your a PC dude and your comfortable with it, no mac is ever gona replace that for you, and vice versa...
My father uses all macs to work with audio, but its also because he is comfortable with it. Even he knows he could do everything he does now with a windows based PC, but he only knows mac.


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