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DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics
    #5464679 - 03/31/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Its seems obvious to me that some people dont really know what psychedelic means. Even if we were to call it a dissociative, are you saying by closing dxm threads, that it does not cause vivid colors and bizarre patterns associated with psychedelic states?

I understand how much everyone here loves shrooms, but lets not deny the fact that yes, DXM is a psychedelic. The fact that some people think that because something is a dissociative that it can not be psychedelic just seems kind of silly to me. According to the current rules, apparently marijuana and amanita are considered psychedelic.


Psychedelics: characterized by, or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and occasionally states resembling psychosis.

How do you feel about datura?


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: stemmer]
    #5464687 - 03/31/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Here we go again... :grin:


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: stemmer]
    #5464688 - 03/31/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This battle has been faught long and hard by many people in ODD, but the mods will not budge.,......


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: barfightlard]
    #5464708 - 03/31/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well thats just silly. Amanitas, marijuana, and apparently kava, yes! DXM no!
I just thought that this discussion about psychedelics would create discussion in the "psychedelic experience" forum.

Someone really doesnt want to admit that these are just words and can be applied in more places than one. Like how marijuana is considered to be a psychedelic...........

I have a feeling this is because DXM is potentially harmful especially if using it in its impure form(acetaminophen etc).

IS mdma all good on this forum? And hows bout datura?


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: stemmer]
    #5464743 - 03/31/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think visual distortions/hallucinations are the way to define psychedelics (hell, then amphetamine abuse could be considered psychedelic). More like "mind manifesting", causing the kinds of patterns of thought and insight and emotion associated with things like LSD. I think dissociative is a better label for amanitas then psychedelic...Also dissoicatives are chemically quite different and suppress the central nervous system and whatnot. Edit: I actually I would consider MDMA a kind of emotional psychedelic.


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: gururvishnu]
    #5464762 - 03/31/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Im sure it serves one purpose, it organizes the forums in a way.


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: stemmer]
    #5464769 - 03/31/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This Seems to illustrate it pretty well.


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: stemmer]
    #5464791 - 03/31/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think dxm is more of a psychedelic than pot or even amanitas. Even though it is a cough sepressent at low doses and it is mixed with other active chemicals in medacine, dxm itself has dissociative/psychedelic properties. It isnt a natural occuring chemical but it definatly is more psychedelic than pot of amanitas.


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: Moo456]
    #5464820 - 03/31/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

DXM is psychedelic...but not in the same sense as the tryptamines and phenethylamines. I think it's harder to have a bad time with DXM but I have to really work to have a learning experience.

all in all though, I would say it's psychedelic. It just sort of feels like a cheap half assed psychedelic compared to shrooms or LSD.


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: Moo456]
    #5464825 - 03/31/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, I was wondering about this too.

According to Wikipedia, salvia is not a psychedelic either, yet it has a subcategory in this forum.


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: gururvishnu]
    #5464829 - 03/31/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That does seem to explain it to some degree. Thats a pretty nice diagram.

It does tend to simplify the subject a bit. Psychedelics intersect dissociatives but dxm is not included nor is any other drug besides ibogaine. I think there are better ways to explain something like dxm than a simple venn diagram. I cant blame them for not placing DXM at that intersect, because it wouldnt have allowed for it to also be placed in one of the narcotic categories.

Im just saying these classifications are limp. They lack substance.
If you take DXM for its psychedelic effects then so be it. That inherently makes them psychedelic. I for one think they fall right inbetween the psychedelic and dissociative category although im sure its effect could be proven to mingle with several categories..

Then again, thats just what happens when you try to use a venn diagram to explain so many different drugs.


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: stemmer]
    #5465129 - 03/31/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I go with Terence Mckenna on this one, with only one minor exception. I believe we should NARROW the definition of psychedelic, not broaden it.

I believe that all Indol-based hallucinogens should be considered psychedelics and no further, with the exception of mescaline (which feels much too much like mushrooms for me to not consider it a psychedelic).


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: Veter]
    #5465165 - 03/31/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Personally i dont care about the definition of psychedelic so much as i would like this board to also include dxm topics and questions. Dxm is a trip drug that involves different views of the world, hallucinations and euphoria as well as psychedelic state of mind. Theres no good reason not to have it on this message board

Name of message board is The Psychedelic Experience and dxm is that at heart.

(starting to think people only oppose it because it comes from cough medicine and people assume its a cheap high).


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Re: DXM, not psychedelic, really? a discussion about psychedelics [Re: Moo456]
    #5465415 - 03/31/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

DXM manifests hallucinations and psychedelic experiences while being quite a bit dissociating unlike the more anchored psychedelics.

It is both psychedelic AND dissociative but to claim it is not psychedelic is unfair. Perhaps the 2nd plateau could be called psychedelically disconnected.....
the third dissociative (as this is where OBEs happen? and though they are psychedelic.... they are much more "dissociative" now) and the first could be called ......... a high?

All I know is when you have the TV going, stop focusing on it, but instead of the sound disappearing as your focus drifts away, it turns into a flanging crescendo..... and you are like "wtf is this!" and then you realize it's the TV, so you decode the flange and refocus and hear the TV with clarity..... then unfocus and bring the flanging back.... I'd say that's pretty damn psychedelic.


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