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DXM advise from people who like it
    #2585340 - 04/21/04 01:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Im gonna do it on fri. for my first REAL time. I did it
on mon. night, taking Roitussin cough gels (14@15mg a pop =210mg) and didnt get good at all. My plan as of now is to take 20gels at first(300mg)then up to 14 more (510mgtotal). I want to be to the point where I have good visuals. How much does it personally take to get good visuals???? Should the amount I said(510mg) be enough????
Thaks for the advise and feel free to list any other tips you might have on DXM. :thumbup: :eyemouth: :thumbup:


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: dreadedclown]
    #2585661 - 04/21/04 02:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You have to remember that there's a point where the mental effects take over the visuals too much - and a point even farther where all there is are the visuals your mind creates. Check the guides on Erowid. I think a high level 2 would be best for visuals and you should lay down in a completely dark room and look at the the ceiling or whatever for visuals. If you start not lking them turn the lights on and they go away! You'll probably also want to try spinning around or even riding a bike (but be careful!).


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: dreadedclown]
    #2585820 - 04/21/04 03:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you're looking for visuals for visuals sake, then DXM isn't your best bet.

I only had successful visuals once, on what I imagine was a moderate - high dose (I just drank a bunch of cough syrup, without calculation). They were translucent, and not unlike the sort of thing you see when you leave normal lighting and enter a dark room for the first time.

I dunno about spinning around or the bike thing. You'll probably lose some control over your body, and the world might feel like its been tilted. Once I was frozen to the spot, standing on my front lawn, giggling like an idiot. I'd recommend just laying down in the dark with some nice music on.


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: ZiggyStardust]
    #2585856 - 04/21/04 03:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, visuals on DXM in my experience aren't anything compared to mushrooms for instance.  Unless you're on a high plateau in which case it's not so much visuals as it is the internal landscape of the dissasociated state.  DXM is more of a visceral feeling, a very core experience that clicks with the human condition somehow.  Not to mention it severely fucks with yer equilibrium. :nut:


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: Wysefool]
    #2586476 - 04/21/04 12:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

wow, i would not wnat to ride a bike on a high dose of dxm, when i finally took a high dse i had trouble just walking on flat ground.


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: dreadedclown]
    #2592753 - 04/22/04 11:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Some people get crazy visuals from DXM. My 10mg/kg and above trips involved hallucinations that easily overpowered the full hallucinations I've had off LSD. I start getting visuals from DXM around 3mg/kg. Some get visuals, some don't. I'm not sure what proportion of the population is like me and starts getting visuals from low doses.

I will note that at doses like 10mg/kg, the visuals seem "beside the point."


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: dreadedclown]
    #2592779 - 04/22/04 11:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

DXM is a disassociative, not a hallucinogen. Don't expect to get visuals, mostly I only saw stuff in pitch black or with closed eyes....but visuals are like 2% of the total experience.


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #2592796 - 04/22/04 11:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's false. DXM can and regularly does act as a hallucinogen. Its hallucinogenic effects in man are well documented.

BTW, did you even read what I posted above? If it's not a hallucinogen why do people report hallucinations?


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: dreadedclown]
    #2593559 - 04/23/04 03:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My advice: Take at least 700-800mg & you will be god.  Also watch movies or TV while on it.  You will analyze everything about them, and might gain insight into yourself through this.  I do that every couple of months, and it has helped me to understand myself much better.  Oh, and now I always trip on DXM while alone.

My favorite thing to watch while tripping on DXM is "Trigun".  Even though I have seen the whole series twice, it still teaches me many things about myself, and about the world in general. :thumbup:


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2593874 - 04/23/04 07:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Phencyclidine said:
That's false.  DXM can and regularly does act as a hallucinogen.  Its hallucinogenic effects in man are well documented.

BTW, did you even read what I posted above?  If it's not a hallucinogen why do people report hallucinations?




man you are a nerd  :wink:


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: Noviseer]
    #2594096 - 04/23/04 10:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the quality post.


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2594285 - 04/23/04 11:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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That's false. DXM can and regularly does act as a hallucinogen. Its hallucinogenic effects in man are well documented.

BTW, did you even read what I posted above? If it's not a hallucinogen why do people report hallucinations?




No, what I said was correct. DXM IS NOT A HALLUCINOGEN. It is in the same class of drugs as ketamine, pcp, and nitrous....disassociatives. It CAN produce visual hallucinations, but often does not. Visuals are not a major part of the DXM experience in my opinion, I'm glad you have fun with it but don't tell me I'm wrong.


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: dreadedclown]
    #2594996 - 04/23/04 03:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Will-300-to-500mg-be-enough-to-have-a-good-f*cked-up-time???


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: dreadedclown]
    #2595053 - 04/23/04 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yes...


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #2596593 - 04/24/04 12:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No, what I said was correct. DXM IS NOT A HALLUCINOGEN.




Yes, DXM acts as a hallucinogen, thus it can be called a hallucinogen. I have read numerous articles referring to the hallucinogenic effects of DXM. I would be happy to cite a number of articles calling PCP, DXM or ketamine hallucinogens. PCP has been called a psychedelic in medical literature at least since the 1970s.

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It is in the same class of drugs as ketamine, pcp, and nitrous....disassociatives.




A substance can be both a hallucinogen and a dissociative. For example, Wilson and Gisvold's Textbook of Organic Medicinal and Pharmaceutical Chemistry (10th edition) classifies PCP as psychedelic dissociative, where "dissociative" is a subtype of psychedelic. Drugs can belong to more than one class. Whether or not a drug belongs to a given class depends on whether or not it meets the criteria of that class. DXM meets the definition of hallucinogen.

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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2596848 - 04/24/04 01:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If I am wrong, by all means tell me.....but I'm not. DXM is psychedelic, but it is very different from true hallucinogens.....in every way possible pretty much. The experiences are just so different....hallucinogens make you trip, dxm makes you disassociate from reality.


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #2596868 - 04/24/04 01:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You guys are both right in a sence. Dxm is far different from the normal psychedelics. They do two totally differnt things, but in the end get you to the same place. Dxm goes left, psychedelics go right, but in the end they both end up at grand ma's house.


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #2596981 - 04/24/04 02:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ChiefThunderbong said: DXM is psychedelic, but it is very different from true hallucinogens.....




Can you back that up with any sort of evidence at all?

In medical literature, the terms "psychotomimetic", "hallucinogenic" and "psychedelic" are used interchangeably. I have already provided one reference calling PCP a psychedelic and thus putting it in the same class as LSD.

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in every way possible pretty much.




Clarify.

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The experiences are just so different....




That's irrelevant. What's relevant is whether or not the substances in question cause hallucinations. LSD, ketamine and DXM do, so they are all hallucinogens. It doesn't matter if one drug doesn't have the same subjective "feel" to it.

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hallucinogens make you trip, dxm makes you disassociate from reality.




I'd like you to find me a peer reviewed article using that as in the defining criteria of "hallucinogen."

I'll be honest. I don't think you know what you're talking about. I challenge you to find me some sort of evidence from the literature to back up any of your claims. I think you are simply a tryptamine snob.

What about the text I referred to calling PCP a psychedelic?

I even know of at least one article stating that DXM is like mescaline:

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Apropos of a case of voluntary medicinal intoxication with dextromethorphan
hydrobromide
Annales Medico-Psychologiques
Volume 1, Issue 3, 1968, Pages 447-451
Bornstein, S.; Czermak, M.; Postel, J.

abstract: "The case of a 23-yr-old female patient who used
dextromethorphan, a synthetic antitussive morphine derivative, for
hallucinogenic purposes revealed different elements of an induced psychosis,
similar to those described in 1948 by Delay and Gerard in mescaline
intoxication: bodily disturbances, strangeness felt vis-a-vis the world and
objects, loss of identity and self-regulation with respect to people and
things, auditory perception modifications, spatial and temporal estimation,
and hallucinatory manifestations, etc."




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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2597791 - 04/24/04 01:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just to throw in some personal enjoyments of DXM.

I've goT A WALL locker here in the barracks which is nothing more than a tall closet wide enought to sit sideways in and easily sit two people. Entering there with the doors closed and lights off in the room will shut you into a world of complete and utter darkness where ur mind can take over. I;ve seen things from my friends being asian bikers to riding on a roller coaster and getting shaken all around. Some times i would float out into the universe but it was hard to breathe there and other times i would be in a lounge with alot of odd furniture floating about.

I think key to finding good visuals on DXM is darkness and a very flowing kind of music. We use a mixture of Jam and psychedelic/expermental with relaxing yoga tnes and reed pipes. Enya and celtic sounds are awesome, and one thing that sets everyone off each time is sounds of nature.

Though DXM may not be classified as a hallcinogen its effects can be ascribed as hallucinogenic. Its different from mushrooms and LSD in alot of ways and if your looking for a "trip" comparable to those two experiences then you may be saddened by DXM, now if your out for a mind opening time of complete ...disorginization and abstract reality, then DXM is def something you want to try. TO me its a different thing all together.


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Re: DXM advise from people who like it [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #2597798 - 04/24/04 01:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This thread is retarted. I'm not going to go look up articles saying DXM is a disassociative....it's already a well known scientific fact. My evidence is based on first hand (and second hand) experience. Yes DXM is a phsychedelic drug, and yes it can make you hallucinate....but it is still a disassociative drug no matter how hard you try and pretend. It never has been and never will be in the same class as LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, and dmt.
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I'll be honest. I don't think you know what you're talking about. I challenge you to find me some sort of evidence from the literature to back up any of your claims. I think you are simply a tryptamine snob.



I think your a dumbass. DXM is definatly one of the best highs I've ever experienced, it makes crack look like a child's toy......but that does not change the fact that it's a disassociative. It just is, I'm sorry. The only thing I'm willing to agree with is that disassociatives COULD be considered a subtype of hallucinogens, but still.....thats a subtype, they are not the same.


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