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Mod Elections, A Proposal
#5364109 - 03/04/06 10:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think a lot of the infighting that goes on here constantly between the mods and the members could be avoided if mods were elected instead of appointed.
Once a year, the entire mod staff could be elected. After initial nominations are made, there would be a period of political campaigning followed by an official election.
Communities that govern themselves through peer pressure and in which the membership feels some sense of empowerment always run more smoothly and are happier and more peaceful than those governed by fiat.
Comments? Suggestions?
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5364117 - 03/04/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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>Communities that govern themselves through peer pressure and in which the >membership feels some sense of empowerment always run more smoothly and are >happier and more peacefully than those governed by fiat.
Examples?
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5364120 - 03/04/06 10:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds good. I'm pretty sure the only ones that would oppose such an idea are those who know they've done wrong in the past. Or those who could not bare the possibility of being stripped of their authority/power.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5364128 - 03/04/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Examples?
Canada vs Soviet Russia?
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5364139 - 03/04/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am down.
Just rmember vote for me.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5364140 - 03/04/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ah, you are speaking of countries..... Well, I missed the episode where the Shroomery has been declared a country or even a democracy.
The Shroomery is a benevolent dictatorship, and as such, doesn't hold elections.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5364154 - 03/04/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes but being a dictatorship Ythan does have the authority to hold elections if he chooses to do so, correct?
IMO it could be very interesting.
What harm could come of it? If it didn't work, being a dictatorship, the new mods could be stripped, and the old mods put back in position.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5364157 - 03/04/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You have nothing to fear, you're an administrator. Are you receiving bribes to squash our hopes of fair and balanced moderation? I'm gonna start calling you Cunningham.
And how could you not want to see the campaigning? It would be great.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5364158 - 03/04/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Shroomery is a benevolent dictatorship, and as such, doesn't hold elections.
The admin staff here has expressed frustration at the constant conflict that goes on between the mods and the membership. I'm proposing a way to minimize this.
Do you believe that a self-governing Shroomery would create more or less of this conflict and why?
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5364179 - 03/04/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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>The admin staff here has expressed frustration at the constant conflict that goes on between the mods and the membership
Wrong. The admin staff here has expressed frustration at the constant conflict that goes on between the mods and a few selected IDIOTS and TROUBLESTARTERS who just can't get with the rest of the community.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5364184 - 03/04/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You didn't answer my question.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5364185 - 03/04/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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GREAT idea.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5364190 - 03/04/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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>Do you believe that a self-governing Shroomery would create more or less of this conflict and why?
More. It would enable the IDIOTS and TROUBLE STARTERS to become moderators. This would be the end. THE END.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5364203 - 03/04/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Stop flaming.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: daimyo]
#5364208 - 03/04/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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He isn't flamming he is skirting the rules.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: TYL3R]
#5364210 - 03/04/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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TYL3R said: GREAT idea.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5364219 - 03/04/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It would enable the IDIOTS and TROUBLE STARTERS to become moderators.
The idea of idiots and trouble starters is a concept relative to the community in which they live. If the community is composed of idiots, then only the smart idiots (relative to the community at large) would get elected. This ensures stability and a happier community.
You can't dispute that what we have now isn't working very well. People are constantly complaining and making trouble out of frustration with the status quo, and many valuable members are leaving in disgust.
An empowered and engaged membership would surely improve this.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5364225 - 03/04/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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>People are constantly complaining, making trouble out of frustration with the >status quo, and many valuable members are leaving.
And your solution is to make the smart idiots moderators?
Well, you can always make your own forum and try this concept out. I am curious about the results.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5364227 - 03/04/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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no, democracy always fails. totalitarian dictatorship is the only way.
jk good idea.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5364241 - 03/04/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's the way it worked in the beginning... mods got elected.. it didn't work. It's just a popularity contest.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5364242 - 03/04/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anno said: And your solution is to make the smart idiots moderators?
You know as well as I do that idiots would not become moderators. People like Diploid, Skorpivo, Paradigm, HELLA, etc. would be nominated. Popular people that are smart and funny.
There is no doubt in my mind that those who would be elected would be quality. I feel there is another reason you're against this, and it is not one concerning the community's best interest.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5364246 - 03/04/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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And your solution is to make the smart idiots moderators?
If everyone's an idiot, then the smart idiots are the creme of the crop. Right now, instead of the creme running things, we have an arbitrary selection of good 'ol boys in power.
It shouldn't be surprising that there is friction.
Natural selection works wonders in the real world. It would do so here too if the admins have the vision to see this.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5364260 - 03/04/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Same shit different year.
Totalitarian rule might work well on disney.com forums, but it will never fly smoothly on a site/forum dedicated to a psychedelic mind expanding drug.
Not without alienating the intelligent users, or at least forcing them to bridle their speech to conform to the tyranny.
It boggles my mind that you like to say that this is a "dictatorship".
With that attitude you will get the same results as other dictatorships get. Namely discord, uprisings, bickering, and revolutions. (Lots of threads like these)
Then you just label and ban the "troublemakers" because of their protesting. (unfair)
I can't believe you said "dictatorship".
Square peg, round hole my friend.
Have elections man, it's for mods, not admins.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Shroomism]
#5364263 - 03/04/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: That's the way it worked in the beginning... mods got elected.. it didn't work. It's just a popularity contest.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: gdman]
#5364284 - 03/04/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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As it should be. There is no place for the unpopular to be ruling over the masses making unpopular decisions. Like wiping your ass before you shit; doesn't make sense.
If you're all scared of losing your modship, that should tell you something.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: gdman]
#5364285 - 03/04/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well how about mods and admins can vote them IN, and reserve the right of the membership to vote them OUT.
How's that for a compromise?
A community always suffers when they are ruled by someone they cant stand, but can do nothing to remove.
Look at America.
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Or let the membership nominate, and the admins select from there. That's the best of both worlds.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: daimyo]
#5364327 - 03/04/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why not let the community participate in it's own moderating anyway?
Ideally an enlightened community would be virtually self moderating.
Selecting its' own moderators is at least a step in that direction. Dictatorship is a step in NO direction, for ANY community.
Eventually the admin here will discover this.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: gdman]
#5364379 - 03/04/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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acording to your reg date, you weren't even here in the beginning. let me guess, you lurked for years.
i hope nobody's suprised that the current mods are opposing this idea. it's because they're afraid of losing their modship of course.
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I was voted in. Back when we did that.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Shroomism]
#5364501 - 03/04/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Congratulations. Then why do you oppose the idea?
I would vote for a mod that supported the idea of mod elections.
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Quote:
Microcosmatrix said: Ideally an enlightened community would be virtually self moderating.
There are a significant amount of people on here who don't act terribly "enlightened".
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Mod Elections would become a popularity contest and that would not be conducive to the overall health of the Shroomery. Also, what if prospective mods bribed people for votes? What if people made a bunch of puppets to skew the voting? It all seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5364595 - 03/04/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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O.K., well we AT THE VERY LEAST desperately need an impeachment process.
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Who do you want to impeach?
You know what's funny? A lot of the mods I talk to really don't like being mods too much. It's a big hassle for a lot of them.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5364601 - 03/04/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said:
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Microcosmatrix said: Ideally an enlightened community would be virtually self moderating.
There are a significant amount of people on here who don't act terribly "enlightened".
And they are given an enviornment in which they can thrive
What would it hurt to allow them to choose their own moderators as well?
The admins still hold all the keys. Let's try it again! If it doesn't work then fine they can change it back just as easy.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5364609 - 03/04/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: Who do you want to impeach?
You know what's funny? A lot of the mods I talk to really don't like being mods too much. It's a big hassle for a lot of them.
Me personally? No-one at all.
I have never even run into leary_fan on the boards at all. But it's causing a tremendous amount of commotion that seems to be comprised of a significant amount of members. A process should be in place, and the membership should not be forced to endure a mod that they would vote out if only there were a process in place.
That's all I'm trying to say.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glad to meet you. hear you've been having some troubles. Shame. Nice title btw
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Shroomism]
#5364660 - 03/04/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shroomism said:
I was voted in. Back when we did that.
So was I.
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This was the process back then...
There were nomination threads stickied in the forums that needed Moderators.
People nominated members that they thought would do the best job.
The Admin discussed the nominees from those threads...and came to a decision on who would be the new Mod or Mods.
This way it wasn't based on just popularity...it was also based on who the Admin felt had the right temperment for the job.
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Diploid,
A little over a year ago one of the Admin talked about having elections very simular to what you were talking about in your oringinal post.
I can't discuss the details of what goes on in the Mod forum between the Admin and Moderators...that wouldn't be proper.
I can say that on several instances that the Admin have been upset with a few Moderator's actions and have taken action against them...including de-mod'ing.
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As far as my opinion on having Mod elections...
I'm not for it or against it.
I have no desire to campain though...I'm not into politics. You will never see me in those type of forums...politics and religion type.
I think that political campaigning followed by an official election... could become very ugly and corupt.
If the majority of the members in the forums that I moderate wanted me to step down or the Admin or Mods wanted me to step down... I'd leave my mod status gracefully and continue to post as a helpful member of the community... like I did before becoming a Mod.
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As far as having an impeachment process... this is handled by the Admin already.
I'm sure that the Admin look at all the Support Tickets turned in and evaluate what is said.
So the best thing you can do at this point is turn in a Support Ticket if you have a problem with a Moderator.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5364696 - 03/04/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think this could easily be solved by making me a mod or OTD or PAL (or both).
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Roadkill]
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There were nomination threads stickied in the forums that needed Moderators.
See, here's the thing: it used to be that attrition was compensated by mod appointments, as you say. There are two problems with this.
First, it's not an election. It's an appointment made unilaterally by the admins with only tacit input from the membership. This is not empowerment and rubs against every free thinker on a board ostensibly dedicated to free thought.
Second, and perhaps most importantly, it depends on attrition for openings to come up. This all but guarantees that those who are more interested in holding ego-stroking power than in the good of the community will remain in power by simply not resigning. See the phenomenon of mods who make a few dozen posts a year in forums they are responsible for while others who contribute a thousand posts a year get banned.
Meanwhile, the mods who have been in power the longest are usually also the ones who most complain that they "don't like being mods too much. It's a big hassle for a lot of them".
My proposal is to wipe the slate clean once a year with across the board mod elections. Natural selection will take care of the rest.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5364911 - 03/04/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its a pipe dream man. The admins own the shroomery, and it seems that Ythan is the only one with any real power.
I'm not against elections, but that will never happen while the shroomery is a privately owned company. Perhaps if shroomerites were required to pay taxes, we could demand elections.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: shroomydan]
#5364930 - 03/04/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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so you're saying people with supporter accounts should be the only ones allowed to elect mods? hmmm
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: shroomydan]
#5364935 - 03/04/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The admins own the shroomery
I'm not suggesting the admins be elected; I'm suggesting the moderators be elected, and I'm petitioning the admins to allow that.
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Redstorm
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5365037 - 03/04/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think these elections should only be used for the community forums. Just an idea.
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daimyo
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Redstorm]
#5365215 - 03/04/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: shroomydan]
#5365827 - 03/04/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its a pipe dream man. The admins own the shroomery, and it seems that Ythan is the only one with any real power.
Amen to that, I can live with that
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LiquidSmoke
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Shroomery politics. the nerd's next frontier.
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daimyo
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#5365922 - 03/04/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Owww, you soh funny gwasshoppah.
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Microcosmatrix
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#5365928 - 03/04/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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LiquidSmoke said: Shroomery politics. the nerd's next frontier.
Eh. gives me something to do when I'm bored, ya know? Better than setting fire to anthills, that's for sure
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
#5366391 - 03/05/06 02:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anno said: a few selected IDIOTS
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stefan
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Quote:
Microcosmatrix said: Ideally an enlightened community would be virtually self moderating.
unfortunately we don't live in Utopia
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: stefan]
#5366887 - 03/05/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe we could rename the shroomery Shroomtopia! lol
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Boom
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Boom]
#5367088 - 03/05/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: daimyo]
#5367353 - 03/05/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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> let the membership nominate, and the admins select from there. > That's the best of both worlds.
As was confirmed above, this is the way we prefer to do things as it gives the general membership a voice in the decision making process, even if they do not actually make the decision. It allows the admins to choose a candidate that is both well liked in addition to having what we feel is the intelligence and even-temperament necessary for such a position. While it doesn't always happen this way, it is my preferred way to go about adding new staff and numerous nomination threads have indeed been created and used over the years to choose new moderators. Hell, I received my own modship through a nomination thread in Trip Tips years ago.
Now in principle, I quite like the idea of voting in moderators (and even admins, though a site this large does require regular informed oversight, and may not provide ample resources for an ever-changing body of controllers)... but in practice there are just waaay too many ways for the vote to be manipulated, let alone to ensure that the vote is being carried out with the site's best interests in mind rather than as a popularity contest. It's not hard to manipulate an online vote, and in fact I witnessed this first hand when we reviewed the votes that came in regarding the [OTD Experiment] back in 2003. Papaver said it well:Quote:
Papaver said: Let me just say that I have downloaded, and saved, the poll data, and I have been looking at it very closely, all day, and there seems to be unprecedented voter fraud occurring at many levels -- and some of those levels surprise and disappoint me.
Frankly, I don't give a damn anymore. I've seen enough to know what is going on, and I don't like it. I am not going to step down over this bullshit, but I am not going to keep putting myself in the middle of this bullshit anymore either. I am going to work on other aspects of this site -- focus my energies in other areas. "Put my good where it will do the most," because it hasn't been doing much good in the community aspects of this site.
> O.K., well we AT THE VERY LEAST desperately need an impeachment process. > ... the membership should not be forced to endure a mod that > they would vote out if only there were a process in place.
The impeachment process is simple. Present your case with supporting evidence to the admins for review. If it is found that the moderator was out of line, particularly if said moderator has had prior confrontation with administrative policy, they will be relieved of duty. It's happened before on multiple ocassions, and it will unfortunately probably happen again in the future.
As for the membership being "forced to endure" a mod they would vote out, they have a perfectly viable course of action that will remove any and all interaction with a mod they dislike. Guaranteed 100% effectiveness, all you need to do is stop visiting the Shroomery. I don't intend to be cold, rather simply straightforward. You do have an option to avoid unpleasantries here at the Shroomery, and it only requires a little self-discipline.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5368051 - 03/05/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: Mod Elections would become a popularity contest and that would not be conducive to the overall health of the Shroomery. Also, what if prospective mods bribed people for votes? What if people made a bunch of puppets to skew the voting? It all seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
I agree with everything Randal said. Puppets are a constant presence here. Ya'll pushing this really think that people wouldnt create a bunch to get their friends modded?
I cant see any good coming of this. I've posted here every day for years, and have never had a problem w/ the administration here.
If you do, your probably being a fucking asshole and TRYING to get in trouble. Honestly, most of the people who are like "OMG, I R OPPRESSED!!" go WAY out of their way to make trouble for themselves and everyone else.
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So did I win or what?
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5368256 - 03/05/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nope, we all lose.
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Microcosmatrix
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5368335 - 03/05/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, you win. Report to engineering and get a mod button from Scotty
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being that we are not forced to participate in this forum it is by no means neccery to consider what we have to say about it! the only considiretion that needs to be done is Ythans interest and not ours to make! and infact this is how it should be in every forum...
imagin you're sitting in ythans living room and talking to his freinds... would you feel you have the right to instruct ythan on which of his friends can keep the rules of his house and which can't? in what matter they can or can't?
i was a regular poster at another drug froum which was much more paranoide about the content posted in it... i complaind a little but soon realized that it's not my place to force the rules i could only try to make them see the sence in what i had to say... at one point though a new admin came on board which felt like me about diffrent issues of the forum. he was also told be the owner that he's free to make changes inorder to make it a better place... that admin asked me to be a mod becouse he knew how i felt about the place and what i had in mind for it. unfortunatly the other mods were offended by this action (not being given the choice) and made him go back on the decition... that was the end of it for me... i didn't much want to "be in power" "rule the forum" or any ego shit like that... i wanted to make change for the better... they wanted to keep things exectly like they were so i just stopped going to that forum it's been about a year and a half since and i've been checking it out occetionally and NOTHING changed!!! the same OLD threads empty boaring discussions... anything new and interesting of often soon castrated in some way so the moral of this story is of course: i have the choice wether or not to participate... no one is making me do it! if i don't like it it's MY problame and i can either try to fix it or give up and deal with it...
shroomery elections is a stupid thing... forum politics is a waste of time for both sides (in most cases anyway) put your energy to better use and creat interesting informational threads that contribute to the communety and maybe one day you'll be given the option to make a change
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal *DELETED* [Re: Simisu]
#5370138 - 03/06/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: srgtm1a]
#5370383 - 03/06/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well said, now everyone quit bitching.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Shroomism]
#5370800 - 03/06/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone's bitching.
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THE KRAT BARON
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Redstorm]
#5371761 - 03/06/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tampering with the voting system could be easily avoided by simply stating votes in a specific thread rather than using a forum poll. It would diminish anonymity, however would that really matter to anybody? To avoid puppet accounts there would need to be some prerequisites to voting implemented such as being an active member for at least a year. I'm just stating the obvious here that there very well could be successful elections with very minimal tampering.
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HELLA_TIGHT
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No, I automatically win.
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Microcosmatrix
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Fuck anonymity then, we don't need pussies voting anyway.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5384539 - 03/10/06 06:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are two big problems with a democratic selection of moderators:
1) It becomes a popularity contest. This is the biggest problem. Moderators have to be the "bad guy" sometimes. Although it is certain that some of the most popular members could do the job, many could not... especially when it comes time to enforce a blantent violation of a rule... popularity tends to lead to favoritism in an attempt to remain popular... again, something that doesn't work well with a good moderator.
2) Trust is a big part of becoming a moderator. We have seen before what happens when a moderator violates the trust given to them. It harms everybody that enjoys the site. The most popular vote isn't always for the most trustworthy person.
I personally like the idea of the members from the forum in question nominating people they feel would make good moderators for that forum. The moderators debate the pros and cons of each nominiation, in private, and the admin makes the final choice based upon the moderators debate. We have used this system in the past with great success. Some of our better moderators have been selected in this manner.
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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
#5385896 - 03/10/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I havent read this entire thread, so I apologize if this info is being repeated.
the shroomery used to have moderator elections. For the most part, it worked out well. But there were problems regarding puppet-voters...If the admin can keep that under control, I support mod elections happening again.
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