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OfflineKaren
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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: egghead]
    #337281 - 06/08/01 03:40 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Actually Egghead, before Nononsense and I NEED changed their previous posting in the contamination forum there was more then just "rational criticism". However I am quite impressed with INeed and nononsense's maturity to work it out.

I wasn't pointing this out to say she did a bad thing or anything....Just to most of the people here who are quick to jump on all the new mods. I want people to think before they type it out....we all know there is plenty of time to do that before hitting the continue button.

Actually I am pretty new to the shroomery...only been here a couple months...I registered Oh so long ago but I only popped in every GREAT once in awhile before recently.

Even so...if these people have been around for a long time....they still have never been in this position before. Mods need to think a lot more before they speak and act, as they tend to represent the shroomery to a higher degree now. they didn't have to worry about this too much before....takes time to get used to it.

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: Karen]
    #337404 - 06/08/01 06:29 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Noted Karen,but its not always easy to think before you type.Should you?Most definatly,but do we all the time,no.But that said I do have tomake 1 very,very very important point.I am a he.LOL..
Just wanted to clear that up,before you made me type without thinkng.LOL(j/k) :)

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: IneedHitsPLEASE]
    #337591 - 06/08/01 12:23 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe your critisism is right, we solved our little disagreement in a subtle way I thought. As I am a new moderator I handeled 2 quick. But this won't happen again.
I've learned from it, and INHP, that will make a moderator eventually a good one (I hope). But I didn't abuse my powers!!!
I will always consider before closing or editing!


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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: Karen]
    #337621 - 06/08/01 02:41 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

> I want people to think before they type it out....we all know there is
> plenty of time to do that before hitting the continue button.

Karen.. The same could be said for the mods & their actions..



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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: egghead]
    #337640 - 06/08/01 03:39 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

First nononsense is a he, so no mistakes about that no more.
I took in consideration the things I typed in the thread, as I first posted:
I kindly ask you to change your title or I'll do it!

But as I thought by myself what an Idiot I am, I shouldn't type that, so I corrected it in :
I kindly ask you to change your title.

But as INHP got an e-mail notification of the reply, he got the old message. He had all right to be upset. I was not very nice to him.

I've learned from this, and as Karen pointed out this are things wich allows the mods to see what's wrong and what's not.
Therefor I will never close a thread or edit a post without mutual agreement with Karen and poster.

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: nononsense]
    #337665 - 06/08/01 04:30 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Besides that Nononsense,I wasnt refering to anyone specific in this post.It was a long time coming from me and I debated writing it for a long time.Something I notice alot is 1 specific moderator who goes into others posts and just edits them.I have seen this on at least 7 or 8 posts in his forum.It's like he is trying to rewrite the original words of the poster.It's because of that I wont post in his forum.But he is not the only one either .You and I had a misunderstanding,they happen,we dealt with it.IM a Kitchen manager/chef at a B&B,and we have alot of policies for the employies to go by.The very first and most important one is when a new employee starts,the first thing we do is set them down with a copy of all the rules and standards.We make it very clear that they are to learn all of these.Then in the future if there is unacceptable behavior,or a policy Violation,then there are no exscuses,no whining,and no reason for debate.The rules were known very clearly,and they were violated.Deal with it.
It woks very goood because everyone knows they cannot and will not be allowed to make exscuses orpass off blame for their actions.A similar policy would be great on the Shroomery.
First off,when a new member signs up,make it so they have to read these rules and agree to them.(whatever rues are decided upon)This way they know before ever entering the Shroomery that certain posts(illeagal stuff,ect)wont be tolerated and they cannot bitch about it later.(well they still can and probably will,but wont have any grounds to base it on)
Second the same should be done to all mods if not done already,with the same basic standards set for each.I understand that to a degree ones judgement must come into play,which is great and tottaly understood,however a uniform Set of standard rules would be the base forall Mods and we would not have the wide range of things going on that do.
I think This would make everyones time here,Members and Mods alike more enjoyable,because who then would have a reason to complain?
Just my opinion.

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: IneedHitsPLEASE]
    #337935 - 06/11/01 08:33 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, I agree with you!
As for the mods, we have to live by certain rules, but the editing and closing should be closely monitered by thor and 3dshroom so if this is done in an uncorrect way, like you said one of the mods is doing, this should be stopped!

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: egghead]
    #337992 - 06/11/01 09:45 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

yes that's true egghead...that's why I said this in my last post:

"Even so...if these people have been around for a long time....they still have never been in this position before. Mods need to think a lot more before they speak and act, as they tend to represent the shroomery to a higher degree now. they didn't have to worry about this too much before....takes time to get used to it. "

guess you didn't catch it....

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: IneedHitsPLEASE]
    #349561 - 06/27/01 05:02 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I just wanted to reinterate Karen's main point--we're all (well most of us) new moderators, still settling in. It does take some getting used to, you have to tread lightly and speak (type) carefully. One of the things that gets kicked back in your face a lot is "do we really need this from a mod..." even when you're just taking the certain side of an issue. We're opinionated people just like you and many of us love a spirited argument--not a flame war.

Mods aren't bots. We're real people and we make mistakes. When you attack us personally it makes us just as angry, and some of us haven't quite adjusted to not being able to say "stick it where is smells funny" every time we don't agree with someone ;)>. We're trying, and you if you guys could ever possibly cut us a little bit of slack here and there it would be great.

Things would be a lot easier if personal problems with moderators were taken out of the public forum and into PM's. If it is really serious involve an admin, but constant drama on these boards is useless and degenerative. I know I sure as hell don't care to read most of it. I hate it when I click on a thread with an interesting subject line only to read 2 or 3 posts and see a flame war develop.

Most of the issues are just about resolved as it is. Things are settling down, for the most part. I can't honestly say I read every forum but I hit the busier ones (and mushie pics of course ;)>) and it seems to be pretty calm. Except in OTD, but when has that forum ever been calm anyway? ;)

And from what I understand thor and 3d are big fans of free love, which disqualifies them as "ho's" sicne they don't get paid ;). Seriously though these guys deserve mad props for stirring things up. I think things are going relatively smoothly considering all the changes since they took over, and once we're through all the transitions I'm sure this place will be better than ever.

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: IneedHitsPLEASE]
    #350890 - 06/29/01 01:35 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

the main reason for some mods having powertrips is simple, the method of choosing them. Before we all had to vote on who was mod, i don't think we had any problems with the mod-elect system. Ever since they (upper powers, no names) decided to appoint mods/friends it went to hell. I argued over this with thor abit, "they" supposidly picked the people best for the job , but how can you do that when someone has 50 post and has been on like a wk or 2, of coarse all of the bitched about comming here for like 2 yrs before regist. but i think most know thats bs. So now we have a bunch of inexperienced mods who really don't know how the shroomery was run succesfully before. I agree that the job requires alot of time infront of the pc and its hard in a few forums and usually those forums aren't the prob, it is the ones were nothing happens and the mods get bored and decied to close a few threads by nit-picking little point which could be considered a "violation".



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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: hubertd8]
    #350931 - 06/29/01 02:45 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Mods should be required to explain the reson for editing/deleting a post first of all. There should be no reason for locking ANY topic, unless it starts out blantly with selling in mind. ive seen several posts that were deleted or changed by mods but have no clue why. If theres going to be a reason for changing everyone should know why so that they dont make the same mistake. say someone was talking graphicly about a murder they witnessed (far fetched but this is just an example right?) instead of the mods putting, 'we dont need that type of talk here' put, 'murder is not something we need to be talking about here' anyway this is the third time ive re typed this, as i want this to make as much sense as possable. What im saying here is something MOST ALL bb's do (not giving a reason). but if you want what i really think, with all people bitch about the first ammendment nothing should be deleted edited or locked, but that would require people gorwing up andknowing what and whats not appropriote(sp?)

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: hubertd8]
    #350935 - 06/29/01 02:55 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

You just dont get it hubert.. I didn't pick friends, I picked people who showed interest in the job and I felt could do a good job. No matter who gets the job they are new to it, doesnt matter if they have 1000 posts or 50....

The reason elections don't work is because they are popularity contests. Do you think that elections only result in people who want to moderate, spend enough time here, have the right temperment, etc... In my years here elections have been nothing but popularity contests, i felt it was time to have moderators who wanted to help improve this place, not just people who would wear it as a badge of coolness.

You yourself asked if you could be a mod, why would you do that is you are so against this selection system.

Elections do not work, we've seen this too many times now, thats why we decide to ask people to let us know if they were interested and then pick from them. Its the best system for choosing the right people. And if you want to nitpick that one user had 50 posts fine, thats only one of like 40 mods, even that user had been around for a while anyways.

No matter who we choose we can't please everybody, we made choices, some will work out, some wont. I never expected everyone to work out, but I'm willing to give people a chance.

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I argued over this with thor abit, "they" supposidly picked the people best for the job , but how can you do that when someone has 50 post and has been on like a wk or 2, of coarse all of the bitched about comming here for like 2 yrs before regist. but i think most know thats bs




Yes its all a great conspiracy, wtf? ... Why does it bother you soooooo much, there was no hidden agenda, we just needed to fill positions and we made choices based on people who showed interest. You were one of the ones who showed interest, albeit a little late, but is that why you are pissed cause you didn't get chosen?? You take one example of like 40 something mods and say our whole system is flawed! Thats just stupid man, seriously get a grip. We are human and we will obviously not be perfect, but this system is WAY better than the election way.

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So now we have a bunch of inexperienced mods who really don't know how the shroomery was run succesfully before




Even if we picked PGF he would be an inexperienced mod, are we supposed to only pick people who were mods before?? That makes NO sense. Run successfully before??? How long have you been around, did you not recall just how out of control things were here? We were over run by trolls, had very few moderators who even checked in on a regular basis!

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I agree that the job requires alot of time infront of the pc and its hard in a few forums and usually those forums aren't the prob, it is the ones were nothing happens and the mods get bored and decied to close a few threads by nit-picking little point which could be considered a "violation".




Wow me thinks you are the nitpicker.. Out of all the new mods you manage to FOCUS on one with 50 posts, and thats it. Did you realize that things are going very smoothly, the majority of the moderators are doing a great job. Yes there have been some mistakes, but thats to be expected with all these new moderators.

I think you are looking very hard for things that are wrong with the moderators, we've had very few complaints about the new mods, in fact I've had a lot of people say they like this method way more than the election.



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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: windex]
    #350939 - 06/29/01 03:08 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

windex - There shouldn't be any mods deleting posts other than their own. Occassionally a post needs to be edited/closed because of say the new stance we have on posting suppliers in Other Drugs but they usually always have an explanation of why it was edited.

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: Thor]
    #351513 - 06/29/01 11:43 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

"I didn't pick friends, I picked people who showed interest in the job and I felt could do a good job. No matter who gets the job they are new to it, doesnt matter if they have 1000 posts or 50.... "

how exactly could you tell they could do a good job with only a few post registered?

"The reason elections don't work is because they are popularity contests. Do you think that elections only result in people who want to moderate, spend enough time here, have the right temperment, etc... "

well if you spend enough time here and are nice and helpfull you'll be popular, won't you? this is why i believe the election system works, it kinda shows abit of democracy here. I think that there is a reason people living in North Am. prefer elections.

"You yourself asked if you could be a mod, why would you do that is you are so against this selection system. "

ya i did, but i really wasn't serious, i knew it would require me too spend too much time infront of the pc.

"How long have you been around, did you not recall just how out of control things were here? We were over run by trolls, had very few moderators who even checked in on a regular basis! "
Well i guess i was one of the few who like the trolls, poeple like sean although they were asses at times had a great deal of knowledge to offer, i know he helped me and many others. And those who were just here to be asses were just ignored by most. Maybe the mods just let the situation play out, and didn't make all these fucking "rules" bout supplier info(which is retarded considering what this board is founded on) it was better in that sense.

"Wow me thinks you are the nitpicker.. Out of all the new mods you manage to FOCUS on one with 50 posts, and thats it"

Actually there where a few with very few post, and others who from prior posts should not have been chosen.

"You were one of the ones who showed interest, albeit a little late, but is that why you are pissed cause you didn't get chosen?? "

beleive me that had nothing to do with it, l just don't like this method of choosing mods. I just thought that alot of these people would be a bit too idealistic(sp?) and ruin the freedom here, and it has happened it a few cases involving suppliers, threads being closed(just because the word supplier was mentioned, fuck the guy didn't even read the thread) I guess this is were my anger just got the better of me.

Obviously this arguement isn't going to change anything, and i'll never agree with you on everything so lets just forget it. Or continue it during the mush gathering.



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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: hubertd8]
    #351646 - 06/30/01 03:33 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

huberts right on this

i've been a shroomerite for 4 years and have answered 100's of questions and yet have never been asked to be a mod...yet i look around and i don't recognize any of these new mod names...were they drawn out of a hat?

and yet ralphster, a vendor, has been allowed to be mod of TWO forums....the Spore Exchange & and the Adv. Cult.....good spot for a vendor, especially one who posts 'hey mods, pm me, i've got some spores for you....

I think Captain Max Mushroom should be made a mod in the Cult Forum. It's only fair or else......it's biase.

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: ]
    #351647 - 06/30/01 03:44 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

i've been a shroomerite for 4 years and have answered 100's of questions and yet have never been asked to be a mod...yet i look around and i don't recognize any of these new mod names...were they drawn out of a hat?




Max if you haven't noticed your attitude is what gets you in trouble. Modertors should have tact or at least some ability to be fair. You are strongly oppinionated, combative, argumentative, rude, etc. Yes you do contribute to the community, but I'm sorry in my opinion you often bring so much negetivity that I would not consider you Moderator material.

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: hubertd8]
    #351653 - 06/30/01 04:08 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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how exactly could you tell they could do a good job with only a few post registered?




The VAST majority have been around for quite some time, you again are focusing on a mod that isn't even a moderator anymore. # of posts is never a great indicator of much, I choose people by their behavior in the previous months to the nominations. I couldn't tell if they would do a good job if I picked them or had elections. You never know until they get into their job. As for elections, yet again do I need to remind you how the last election held by Ythan was flawed since it was discovered that there was a great deal of cheating.

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well if you spend enough time here and are nice and helpfull you'll be popular, won't you? this is why i believe the election system works, it kinda shows abit of democracy here. I think that there is a reason people living in North Am. prefer elections.




So you are saying that our previous elections which have yielded inacurate results because of cheating, not to mention a good number of moderators were elected that don't often check the boards.

Before I nominated the new mods I sent PM's to the current mods at the time, I think only 4 replied back to me. So ask yourself, is the election efficient when we had to replace nearly all moderators that were chosen by election??

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ya i did, but i really wasn't serious, i knew it would require me too spend too much time infront of the pc.




Yea OK, so if I gave you the 'M' you would have turned it down?? HAHA right...

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beleive me that had nothing to do with it, l just don't like this method of choosing mods. I just thought that alot of these people would be a bit too idealistic(sp?) and ruin the freedom here, and it has happened it a few cases involving suppliers, threads being closed(just because the word supplier was mentioned, fuck the guy didn't even read the thread) I guess this is were my anger just got the better of me




There have been lots of idealistic mods who were elected, look at luciferX and how much chaos he created when he tried to 'fix' the troll problem. Either method you are taking chances, but thats really pointless. If a moderator elected/nominated doesn't work out he loses his position. Its not like we are electing people for a 4 yr term, the job is not a stable one unless you do a good job.

As for the Other Drugs crack down, its for good reason. The shroomery has to be carefull in that forum particularily, it was discussed in the modertor forum and we felt some rules had to be made in the OD forum. Many suppliers also ask to not be mentioned publicly on boards such as this, thus we are asked to make sure that doesn't happen.

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Actually there where a few with very few post, and others who from prior posts should not have been chosen.




Still my point is that you made an issue of  1 or 2 mods with less than 100 posts? You are still making a big deal out of nothing considering there are like 40 new mods! The vast majority of mods are doing a good job, everything is running pretty smoothly. Thats why I'm questioning you making a big deal out of a couple of mods who were chosen.

I will defend the mods and the reasons for the selection process because I feel strongly that this is a smart way to go. In fact I've had many people compliment this method over the other one, especially the members who have been here long enough to appreciate what a joke elections have been in the past.

We'll sit down and smoke a bowl at the Gathering, then all our problems will dissapear :smile: You must understand that I get tired of bickering over little things, I find people often look for little things to bitch about when things are going quite well. In my position it sometimes gets to be a little frustrating handling all the negetivity and thats why I post like I'm mad, because hey we are human after all, and if you prick me do I not bleed? :wink:

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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: Thor]
    #352368 - 07/01/01 06:17 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Fair? You wouldn't know fair if it kicked you in the face.

You have just proven the biasedness of this web site.

When someone like mcman, back in his 'king of spam' days starts pissing people off and the mods are either to blind, to stupid or to paid off to say anything, and I do say something, that does not mean I am rude or argumentitive. It means I'm the only one with enough guts to speak when the mods are to chickenshit too. According to you, Superman shouldn't be a superhero because he is always getting in fights.

I've seen so much crap posted by mods and yet they have never been threatened with losing mod status, even after all the shit mcman caused, it wasn't until he resigned that his reign of terror ended.

Its obvious a double standard is being employed. This will not end here. Captn. Max has always been about righting injustices and if that means arguing with the bad guys, then so be it.

And if a mod is no longer a mod, take the mod flag off his name. Same goes with flying the mod flag in forums where one is not the mod.


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Re: Some of the New Moderators and Their Power Trips! [Re: ]
    #352384 - 07/01/01 06:49 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Biasedness?

Shouldn't it just be "bias"?

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    #352436 - 07/01/01 08:30 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

> Same goes with flying the mod flag in forums where one is not the mod.

Yes, this is very confusing/misleading.

Thor.. If you want the $upport of the community, you should give the people a voice. Perhaps there could be at least one elected mod in each forum; wth the candidates knowing what is expected of them before agreeing to run.

Also, consider that if you should give the community a voice in this, it will relieve you of the pressures/consquences of making these decisions on your own. It just seems the logical thing to do.


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