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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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It's a pleasure to meet you as well.  Thanks for the compliment.  See you around!

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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
I was voted in. Back when we did that.


So was I.

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This was the process back then...

There were nomination threads stickied in the forums that needed Moderators.

People nominated members that they thought would do the best job.

The Admin discussed the nominees from those threads...and came to a decision on who would be the new Mod or Mods.

This way it wasn't based on just popularity...it was also based on who the Admin felt had the right temperment for the job.

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Diploid,

A little over a year ago one of the Admin talked about having elections very simular to what you were talking about in your oringinal post.

I can't discuss the details of what goes on in the Mod forum between the Admin and Moderators...that wouldn't be proper.

I can say that on several instances that the Admin have been upset with a few Moderator's actions and have taken action against them...including de-mod'ing.

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As far as my opinion on having Mod elections...

I'm not for it or against it.

I have no desire to campain though...I'm not into politics.
You will never see me in those type of forums...politics and religion type.

I think that political campaigning followed by an official election...
could become very ugly and corupt.

If the majority of the members in the forums that I moderate wanted me to step down or the Admin or Mods wanted me to step down...
I'd leave my mod status gracefully and continue to post as a helpful member of the community...
like I did before becoming a Mod.

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As far as having an impeachment process...
this is handled by the Admin already.

I'm sure that the Admin look at all the Support Tickets turned in and evaluate what is said.

So the best thing you can do at this point is turn in a Support Ticket if you have a problem with a Moderator.



tc


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
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I think this could easily be solved by making me a mod or OTD or PAL (or both).

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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Roadkill]
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There were nomination threads stickied in the forums that needed Moderators.

See, here's the thing: it used to be that attrition was compensated by mod appointments, as you say. There are two problems with this.

First, it's not an election. It's an appointment made unilaterally by the admins with only tacit input from the membership. This is not empowerment and rubs against every free thinker on a board ostensibly dedicated to free thought.

Second, and perhaps most importantly, it depends on attrition for openings to come up. This all but guarantees that those who are more interested in holding ego-stroking power than in the good of the community will remain in power by simply not resigning. See the phenomenon of mods who make a few dozen posts a year in forums they are responsible for while others who contribute a thousand posts a year get banned.

Meanwhile, the mods who have been in power the longest are usually also the ones who most complain that they "don't like being mods too much. It's a big hassle for a lot of them".

My proposal is to wipe the slate clean once a year with across the board mod elections. Natural selection will take care of the rest.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
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Its a pipe dream man. The admins own the shroomery, and it seems that Ythan is the only one with any real power.


I'm not against elections, but that will never happen while the shroomery is a privately owned company. Perhaps if shroomerites were required to pay taxes, we could demand elections. :smirk:

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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: shroomydan]
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so you're saying people with supporter accounts should be the only ones allowed to elect mods? hmmm

$$$ ca-ching $$$

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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: shroomydan]
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The admins own the shroomery

I'm not suggesting the admins be elected; I'm suggesting the moderators be elected, and I'm petitioning the admins to allow that.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Diploid]
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I think these elections should only be used for the community forums. Just an idea.

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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Redstorm]
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:yesnod:


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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: shroomydan]
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Quote:
Its a pipe dream man. The admins own the shroomery, and it seems that Ythan is the only one with any real power.


Amen to that, I can live with that  :grin:


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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Shroomery politics. the nerd's next frontier.


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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Owww, you soh funny gwasshoppah.


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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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LiquidSmoke said:
Shroomery politics.  the nerd's next frontier.


Eh. gives me something to do when I'm bored, ya know? Better than setting fire to anthills, that's for sure  :cool:


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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Anno]
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Anno said:
a few selected IDIOTS


:ban:

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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Microcosmatrix said:
Ideally an enlightened community would be virtually self moderating.



unfortunately we don't live in Utopia :smirk:

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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: stefan]
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Maybe we could rename the shroomery Shroomtopia! lol


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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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:nonono:

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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: Boom]
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:lol:


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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: daimyo]
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> let the membership nominate, and the admins select from there.
> That's the best of both worlds.

As was confirmed above, this is the way we prefer to do things as it gives the general membership a voice in the decision making process, even if they do not actually make the decision. It allows the admins to choose a candidate that is both well liked in addition to having what we feel is the intelligence and even-temperament necessary for such a position. While it doesn't always happen this way, it is my preferred way to go about adding new staff and numerous nomination threads have indeed been created and used over the years to choose new moderators. Hell, I received my own modship through a nomination thread in Trip Tips years ago.

Now in principle, I quite like the idea of voting in moderators (and even admins, though a site this large does require regular informed oversight, and may not provide ample resources for an ever-changing body of controllers)... but in practice there are just waaay too many ways for the vote to be manipulated, let alone to ensure that the vote is being carried out with the site's best interests in mind rather than as a popularity contest. It's not hard to manipulate an online vote, and in fact I witnessed this first hand when we reviewed the votes that came in regarding the [OTD Experiment] back in 2003. Papaver said it well:
Papaver said:
Let me just say that I have downloaded, and saved, the poll data, and I have been looking at it very closely, all day, and there seems to be unprecedented voter fraud occurring at many levels -- and some of those levels surprise and disappoint me.

Frankly, I don't give a damn anymore. I've seen enough to know what is going on, and I don't like it. I am not going to step down over this bullshit, but I am not going to keep putting myself in the middle of this bullshit anymore either. I am going to work on other aspects of this site -- focus my energies in other areas. "Put my good where it will do the most," because it hasn't been doing much good in the community aspects of this site.




> O.K., well we AT THE VERY LEAST desperately need an impeachment process.
> ... the membership should not be forced to endure a mod that
> they would vote out if only there were a process in place.


The impeachment process is simple. Present your case with supporting evidence to the admins for review. If it is found that the moderator was out of line, particularly if said moderator has had prior confrontation with administrative policy, they will be relieved of duty. It's happened before on multiple ocassions, and it will unfortunately probably happen again in the future.

As for the membership being "forced to endure" a mod they would vote out, they have a perfectly viable course of action that will remove any and all interaction with a mod they dislike. Guaranteed 100% effectiveness, all you need to do is stop visiting the Shroomery. I don't intend to be cold, rather simply straightforward. You do have an option to avoid unpleasantries here at the Shroomery, and it only requires a little self-discipline.


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Re: Mod Elections, A Proposal [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
Mod Elections would become a popularity contest and that would not be conducive to the overall health of the Shroomery. Also, what if prospective mods bribed people for votes? What if people made a bunch of puppets to skew the voting? It all seems like a disaster waiting to happen.


I agree with everything Randal said. Puppets are a constant presence here. Ya'll pushing this really think that people wouldnt create a bunch to get their friends modded?

I cant see any good coming of this. I've posted here every day for years, and have never had a problem w/ the administration here.

If you do, your probably being a fucking asshole and TRYING to get in trouble. Honestly, most of the people who are like "OMG, I R OPPRESSED!!" go WAY out of their way to make trouble for themselves and everyone else.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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