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ODD MODS
#1828147 - 08/18/03 09:43 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it's time for a change in office. At least for some. Some are very good. Others don't follow their own ODD rules which they were picked to uphold. And when I post critisizing, they don't let it through for others to see and give their take on the situation.
If these guys are to lazy to do the job then we need to new ones.
Just my opinion. I'm just saying this to keep that forum from collapsing again
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I'll volunteer too. I don't think I've had a single post to ODD approved in a month, and I can't figure out why. I don't even try any more... [sigh] -Diploid
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Diploid]
#1829399 - 08/19/03 11:31 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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> I don't think I've had a single post to ODD approved in a month
so this indicates that you would be a good mod, how? -chuckle-
Not that I was ever a huge poster in ODD, but when it went to fully moderated I pretty much quit posting in that forum all together.
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Can you link to some examples? Just curious to see what is being approved if it shouldn't be..
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Thor]
#1829985 - 08/19/03 02:00 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't have any posts handy, but the majority of the posts that I see which I shouldn't are dosage related... or OTC related... ... and to be fair, I think the mods there are doing a pretty good job given the nature of the beast. I have seen maybe three posts which I felt probably shouldn't have been approved in as many months...of course i'm not a mod soooo...
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Seuss]
#1830047 - 08/19/03 02:17 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cool, so from what you've seen its a post 'here and there' kind of thing? Or is it more common?
Cause if a few posts are missed once in a while then thats ok, I mean nobody can be 100% all the time right?
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Thor]
#1830207 - 08/19/03 02:51 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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> from what you've seen its a post 'here and there' kind of thing?
From what I have seen, yes, it is a 'here and there' sort of problem. I don't visit ODD as much as I used to, so I don't consider me an authority on this. 
Even the posts not getting approved in a timely matter is a 'her and there' sort of problem. It seems that once in a while the forum will shut down for twenty-or-so hours until a mod gets on. It rarely happens, that I notice, but it sure seems like a big deal when it does happen...
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Seuss]
#1831167 - 08/19/03 07:52 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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" No Sources: This will not be a forum for discussion of sources for obtaining illicit or legal substances, nor to battle or flame other users.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...;o=&fpart=1
There are supplier listing, but they are sponsors. So I don't know if that's means they are exempt to the rule
No Doseage Advice: Posts which request dosage information will not be permitted. In the event a forum Moderator can answer a post of this type, the answer will be given and the thread will be locked. The reason behind this is to prevent unintentional misinformation based on issues of personal body chemistry, including physical and behavioral tolerance. General dose charts can often be found at the static information libraries noted above.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...=&fpart=all
No Street Talk: Requesting information on drug availability or street prices in any given geographic location will not be tolerated. Requests in an attempt to discern the quality of any given drug sample are not allowed (eg. Are these purple monkey's I picked up at the street corner potent?).
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...=&fpart=all
I'm not going to find them all. A search would do it quickly but I really don't want to bother. Threads asking about lsd in area's are all over ODD
No Household Highs: Posts requesting information regarding common household substances or over the counter medications and how they can be abused in an attempt to alter consciousness will not be allowed.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...=&fpart=all
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...t=1#Post1829757
No Pill IDs: Refrain from posting Pill Identification requests as people can easily misidentify a pill which could potentially result in very dangerous consequences. Use our Pill ID Resources.
I guess this doesn't fall under a rule but some very dangerous advice..IMO http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...t=1#Post1829242
Those are a few recent ones. Nothing to bad for awhile. I remember coming here maybe a month back and saw some outrageous posts. Concerning relevant posts not getting through. It happens alot from what I've been told. To me aswell.
But I usually write long posts..maybe they get bored reading through them and just delete them?
Sometimes I curse, i try not to excessively flame. But sopmetimes I feel it's totally warrented. "I tried Salvia and i didn't get fucked up" "smoke more next time..use a better flame" I mean cmon. But maybe Lady Salvia needs to "learn" him the lesson herself
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We're not all the same person so how we interpret and enforce the rules will be different.
Sources of legal things that are available from our sponsors and only from our sponsors is allowed.
>>I'm not going to find them all. A search would do it quickly but I really don't want to bother. Threads asking about lsd in area's are all over ODD
Personally i wouldn't approve any of those LSD posts, but others have different views on them and as long as their broad in spectrum it seems like they're approved. I'm fine with that.
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I think it's time for a change in office. At least for some. Some are very good. Others don't follow their own ODD rules which they were picked to uphold.
You generally don't even know who approves what and you have no access to the mod forum,so how do you know which mods are good and which mods need a "change in office"?
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I don't. I didn't say I did....? I didn't name name's because I don't know I do know that some, if not all mods are letting these through. Or which mods are letting what through. I guess I shouldn't have said some mods are good? That's just biased opinion based on talking to certain ones, i appologize. Some or all are just using bad judgement..IMO..and the opinion of quite a few others aswell
Edited by Liquid Squid (08/19/03 09:34 PM)
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: neuro]
#1831474 - 08/19/03 09:30 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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"We're not all the same person so how we interpret and enforce the rules will be different. "
I understand. I made this one of my first points. Sorry this topic spans 3 forums now.
"Sources of legal things that are available from our sponsors and only from our sponsors is allowed"
I guess I understand, they are the sponsors. But it is breaking your rule. It just leads to trouble. That's why the r.c suppliers where banned. They used to be allowed aswell. Until people just looking to get wacked out got ahold of them and started posting..."wwooooaaahhh i'm fucked up on xxx dude...buy it at this place" etc Same is happening with salvia and others
"Personally i wouldn't approve any of those LSD posts, but others have different views on them and as long as their broad in spectrum it seems like they're approved. I'm fine with that."
Well i'm just pointing out that the rule states that there shall be no postes of where to find drugs around the areas. ie(toronto is full of acid, vancouver is full of mdma)..these are against the rules. I didn't make the rules, either
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Older people are normally wise, yet a few are senile. I'll be a mod!
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: TinMan]
#1832125 - 08/20/03 01:24 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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TheInvizibleMan said: Older people are normally wise, yet a few are senile. I'll be a mod!
LoLz! 
I like older people because they are used to make my favorite snack food -- Soylent Green!
Soylent Green! It's Made From the Best Stuff on Earth -- People!? 
PS: I am paying attention to this topic, and most of the Mods and Admins know exactly where I stand on the issue. I have been very vocal about it in the Mod and Admin forums.
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Papaver]
#1832322 - 08/20/03 03:13 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's odd thinking that there are two forums that I never see, how clandestine. I wonder in what order they appear on the main index.
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I give up....
no way to make this work IMO. after spending 6 months approving 40 or more posts a day and trashing more garbage than anyone will ever know the forum is still being criticized.
People have no idea how much misinformation, bullshit dosage info, recommendations to take pills and wash them down with some wild turkey, fuck I can go on and on.
Shit I don't care anymore take it off full moderation and let the shit flow, however it wont take long before were in another state of panic because someone actually listened to the advice of an uninformed 13 year old.
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Ripple]
#1832518 - 08/20/03 06:44 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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As I said before...
> ... and to be fair, I think the mods there are doing a pretty good job given the nature of the beast.
Most of us on the ground floor do not see how much work you guys do.
> approving 40 or more posts a day and trashing more garbage than anyone will ever know the forum is still being criticized.
Censorship is an easy target. People should be responsible for what they say and pay the price when the bill collector comes 'round to collect. The law doesn't always see it that way, thus the forum is moderated. This one has no easy answer, which is why after six months we are still bitching about it.
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Seuss]
#1832585 - 08/20/03 07:35 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why don't you put the responsibility in the hands of the poster. Edit the forum guidelines accordingly, and setup some sort of warning/ban system for those who do harm. Or maybe attach some sort of message to all ODD posts (if that's possible) warning people of the possibility of misinformation.
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It's a good idea, but due to the number of idiots here who would provide dangerous/misleading info it would';t work. Someone could get seriously hurt or even killed if they had read misinformation in a post and took it as fact. A persons life is worth more than a ban especially if it can be saved by taking pre-cautionary measures such as those already in place. I have to say tho, i wasn't happy about them declining my rant abouts pills as it didn't break any rules, it was a mere bitch about the state my friends get into after a week of x and not bathing.... EDIT: BTW when I first saw the topic I thought it was a complaint about the eccentricity of the moderators, see what I mean about misleading
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Edited by st0nedphucker (08/20/03 08:11 AM)
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st0nedphucker said: It's a good idea, but due to the number of idiots here who would provide dangerous/misleading info it would';t work. Someone could get seriously hurt or even killed if they had read misinformation in a post and took it as fact. A persons life is worth more than a ban especially if it can be saved by taking pre-cautionary measures such as those already in place. =
Granted. Though the idea was to come up with some way to improve the current system, and you're not helping.
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We've spent many hours (believe me) hours and hours trying to figure out a better way. We have had two live online staff meetings with all the mods and admins in attendance.
It's not that easy because even if something misleading gets out for a short period it could prove damaging to someone.
The current system is most definitely flawed because it depends on subjectivity but I know I'm not smart enough to figure out a better way. The only alternative in my mind is to open it up and let the chips fall where they may. However that in it's worst incarnation could lead to the downfall of this site.
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Granted. Perhaps they should outline less vague guidelines or get mods that aren't so contradictory. Or like the good old fashion saying goes "if it aint broke dont fix it"
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But it is broke, that's the point. Pay more attention.
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Its fine as it is. Ripple has already stated there is, at the present time, no practical solution. So far the suggestions have been as flawed or even more so than the current system. ODD should be moderated and what gets accepted for it is up to the mods, whether people agree with the decision is a different matter. Unless all the mods convene and go through each post deciding whats acceptable and whats not, leave it as it is. Otherwise have a completely open forum where idiots like YellowPurpleHills tell people to take coricidin and end up killing a poor kid
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cdchriscd said: But it is broke, that's the point. Pay more attention.
I wouldn't say broke as much as it is the best it can be under the circumstances.
The underlying problem is we have so many stupid posts and horrible advice that forced this approach in the first place.
So far I have not seen a solution that is better than the current system, and believe me all the mods in that forum and the admins would take seriously any idea that makes the forum better.
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Thor]
#1832898 - 08/20/03 09:59 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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How about giving all current mods (or the ones who would want) mod status in ODD so there are more mods avaliable to review posts?
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Thor
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cdchriscd said: How about giving all current mods (or the ones who would want) mod status in ODD so there are more mods avaliable to review posts?
Well the posts are being approved pretty damn smoothly lately, the problem is not with enough mods right now, maybe more consistancy with applying the rules.
Don't forget the current crop of mods there have had 2 online meetings to discuss in length the forum and problems. Throwing in new mods who haven't been involved in those discussions could just add a rogue mod who has their own view on the rules and thus making the situation worse.
If the problem is a few mods approving posts that others don't, then what is needed is another online meeting to let those mods all get on the same page.
and that is IF that is a problem.
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Thor]
#1832920 - 08/20/03 10:09 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only idea that I came up with that I like, though it would be a bit of code work is as follows:
A user in the forum can be tagged as 'trusted' for that forum. A trusted user's posts are automatically approved by the system. The moderators of the forum can add/remove trust to a user for that forum. All users except moderators are initially untrusted.
With this system, the moderators can offload a lot of work by trusting mature posters that post a lot of information. If a trusted member abuses their trust, it is simply revoked.
A few things to make the system more usable and complex:
The forum could keep track of the number of posts a nontrusted user has in the forum that have been approved and denied. These numbers can help a moderator decide if a user is trustworty. We could even automate this and autotrust a user if their goodpost to badpost ratio is large enough.
Require all new posts to be moderator approved, only replies follow the trust system.
Clicking 'notify moderator' automatically removes the visibility of a post until reviewed by a moderator (perhaps only if done by a trusted member). This allows trusted members to self-police and help the moderators.
Trusted posts, though visible, still require a moderator to approve them... though we are trying to offload work, so I donno about this one.
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Seuss]
#1832927 - 08/20/03 10:13 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats the best idea so far.
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Damn good idea.
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: Seuss]
#1861748 - 08/29/03 03:25 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ripple said, "The only alternative in my mind is to open it up and let the chips fall where they may. However that in it's worst incarnation could lead to the downfall of this site."
Since there was talk of discontinuing Other Drugs about 6 months ago, I fought strong to see that it stayed alive so long as we could ensure a safer environment than that which was previously available.
However, I will see the forum permanently locked as an archive before it becomes open to free discussion. We are here to let people speak their piece (in the community forums), but we are also here to ensure that people can receive as much accurate information as possible. Opening the forum is not an option at this time, nor can I see a feasible time when it would be.
Suess said, "The only idea that I came up with that I like, though it would be a bit of code work is as follows"
Suess' idea is absolutely wonderful. However, I know that I have no where near the ability to re-write the bbs code such that said features could be implemented, and I am also confident that there has never been such a complicated modification implemented in the past since it would have to be added through each upgrade of the system and we already have lots of useful smaller modifications that we already have to tackle each time a UBB update comes around. I know you offered your services to us Suess, so if you honestly believe that you have the ability to see such a project through to the finish, I urge you to contact 3D via PM to discuss the matter. As I have virtually no programming experience, I cannot comment further. Great ideas though!
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daba for mod!
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Re: ODD MODS [Re: geokills]
#1862185 - 08/29/03 08:53 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Suess' idea is absolutely wonderful.
I second that!
-Diploid
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