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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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Verifed DOB on blotter i came accross it a few weeks ago as acid.

This is all over the country along with some othe DOx chems, some possible 2c-x chems, also some 5-meo-amt blotter is said to be going around. Theres even a post in one of the last few pages of the recent LSD prints thread about some spoungebob blotters with an RC on it.

I think the RC blotters are more prevenant than these LSD like substances.

Ive been looking for a verified case but ive come up with nothing so far. I just dont think they are out there man, like i said verify it and post, thats the only way to know.

EDIT: i didnt mean to offend you, if i did i apologize. :smile:


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Edited by sui (01/25/06 12:56 AM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: sui]
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I do actually have something to add to this. I have indeed ingested lsd from different sources, that had varying effects. Some acid i'd eat 4 drops and it'd be a pretty light and mellow trip, with somewhat of a body load. Even taking 10 of those drops doesn't seem like the same as other dose i've had (i wonder about 30+ hits, maybe it'd be a lot more far out like most dose i've eaten). Some acid i'd eat 2 hits and be tripping balls, reacting to my thoughts, watching myself do mad things.

I don't agree with most of what's being posted in this thread, but i really do think there's 'different' sorts of acid. I can't explain it. Like i know they've all been acid, but different (not because of set and setting).

Also, stemmer, it's hard to believe you when you seemingly can't post ANY links to verify what you're saying. I'm not being harsh, i'd love to believe you from my experiences, but can't. I'd search myself if i thought i'd come up with anything.


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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: Kurenchai]
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No U wouldnt without knowing. Thats what makes us different.

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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If you were not someone like me you wouldnt care. It all "works"
right?

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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No clue what your last 2 comments were referring to...but you have all this time to post messages on this forum, but not to find links simply to spread some truth (or back your shit up?)? Sources?


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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: Kurenchai]
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Its all links and experiential info, sorry dude.
If you read like one is supposed to. I was talking about others, me and you in their/my shoes. Dont get weird on me just yet....

Edited by stemmer (01/25/06 01:49 AM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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Maybe each one of us will get 'let in' to this secret info some day, but until then...


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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: Kurenchai]
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Its not secret dude. Acid is ACID, some of it is different though. Ive thoroughly enjoyed both.
You can contradict my feelings and observations all you want. There is much info on the degradation of lsd over the years. So dont shit on me.
I only have experiential info, backed by almost 30 years of synth techs and acid gurus. Im sorry I didnt find the links. They are not my first priority, so I did not have them though I know them to be true.
Thats cool with me. If you know what your talking about, then all acid is the same unless its altered with totally seperate drugs, or is a seperate drug its self.
RIGHT?

Edited by stemmer (01/25/06 01:59 AM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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Honestly though, never mind.
If you cant tell the difference then it doesnt matter to you, lsd might as well vary in so many ways.
I didnt come here to persuade you that some lsd is pure and most is different than pharm-grade(LSD-25).
Its all good man, like I said in many posts before. It takes some reading to understand why some is different than other. Im not insulting you, ive been lucky enough to KNOW why. To KNOW beyond my/your interpretations. SO dont worry about it.
I really didnt mean this to be directed at anyone. The best acid is not just more often potent. I dealt 2 sheets of pure acid over 3 years cautionsly. It was the real deal yes, and yes Ive had some varieties that were almost as potent. None were the same. And yes, this was lsd-25, not some of the wall dose per hit of something we couldnt have taken at the dose of 2 hits.
People would eat each hit in fourths and trip quite hard.
No this was not pcp, or DOM, this was pure and potent LSD-25.
Most people knew its reputation and would hold it in their hands and wonder what to do with 3 hits. It was real acid, came on in 20 min. and lasted 12 hours. If you took 3-4 it would last for 3 days easily. This was not an RC, or lsd with an RC, this was pure acid(made in europe) put into gels in The US.
That was the real deal. Ive never seen anything even close to that geltab dose per tab since. I got some ufo blotters one day and they were just as pure, but not as potent.
If you know what im talking about, the guy who ate that ten strip of some shitty acid thats good for him.
If hed gotten ahold of some gels of this type and ate the same amount he would have not only have made a fool of himself, he might have been taken to the hospital.
You cant see, cant feel anything real after 5 hits of the best gel known to man. They were not just more potent, they were real acid.
Pure, like lightening.
The come up was fast, the comedown slower but way to intense for most. Real acid it different than the 100s of blotters you have tried.

Edited by stemmer (01/25/06 02:36 AM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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stemmer said:
Its not secret dude. Acid is ACID, some of it is different though. Ive thoroughly enjoyed both.
You can contradict my feelings and observations all you want. There is much info on the degradation of lsd over the years. So dont shit on me.
I only have experiential info, backed by almost 30 years of synth techs and acid gurus. Im sorry I didnt find the links. They are not my first priority, so I did not have them though I know them to be true.
Thats cool with me. If you know what your talking about, then all acid is the same unless its altered with totally seperate drugs, or is a seperate drug its self.
RIGHT?


I'm not shitting on you. It's just hard to believe what a single person says, because getting that sort of information is just a huge game of telephone these days.

I also agree that lsd isn't the same as it was in the 60's...i've found some good lsd threads by a member on here named ChinaCat or something, he's old family and knows what's up. He's done thumbprints, crystal, you name it. I'm going to message him and see if he can verify any of this. If he can't, no problem, i still don't doubt you, i still just wouldn't believe you until i can find out for myself.

Brother, i'm not insulting you. I'd just like to be able to come to a common understanding with what's being said.


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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: Kurenchai]
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Really, dont worry about it. Im not very offended.
Its all good.

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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"Confused master of Chaos and Disharmony".
I dont expect much, or anything. Just dont worry about it, most acid is experientially very much the same. I dont expect any links Ive given, or and experiential info to resonate with you.
I have no time to prove anything, yet I can find one way or another to value what you have said to me.
Till later dude....

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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Wow, this thread really exploded over night, and dont have the time to read through 6 pages of it now.

But - LSD /DOES/ come in varying levels of purity, from the 95% pure white fluff /needle point, down to stuff that is only like, 50%-60% pure.

From another post on this site...

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# Needlepoint-very pure(95% ) white powerdery crystal,was available in small amount`s. The best of the best
# White Fluff-Very pure(95% ) white light flakes of crystal. Still around and the most sought after. very pure
# Silver-Good and clean(85-90% )-light greyish crystal. Was an unbelievable amount of this around in the late eighty`s and early nineties. Very good stuff. My first thumbprint was this kind. If you ate acid in the 80-90`s you probably sampled some silver.
# Amber-Decent(70%?) This crystal varied from a light amber color to an almost dark brown color.Was always available.One batch called quadricept amber was the color of light honey and was very good.Lot`s a people worked with this crystal but I always would use silver instead since it was better and the same price.
# Lavender-(60-70%?) light purple to almost black colored crystal. Like amber it varied batch to batch.
# TJ(tornado juice) - purity unknown. I seen this shit in about four different colors and it always scared me. No experiance with it.
# Champagne-(50-60% ) black crystal, nasty stuff IMHO. I worked with it once and swore to never touch it again.



To think that 50% pure stuff will give the same trip as the 95% pure stuff is a bit of a laugh. The other compounds in the rest of the 5-50% (depending on the batch) of the substance may or may not be active and affect the trip - but they could.

The white fluff/needle point from what I hear, tends to be a very clean high, almost no body buzz, with the lower purities having a bit of a 'dirtier' high.

As with any drug, there is high-quality LSD, and there is low-quality LSD, and the expierence on a high quality will differ from a low-quality trip.

Also, something I just read which is also interesting...

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Well as you probably know already Glogg, (this info is for everyone that don't)! There was an experiment done in the late 60's. There was a batch of LSD made, this batch was mix with 3 or 4 different colors and placed into gel caps. They where passed out to people throughout the city.

Well as the reports came in, each colored pill came back with a different story. i.e. one was speedy the other was mind blowing etc... placebo-isms? I say so, knowing and observing people all around me. Indeed Set and setting is a major factor in the psychedelic experience.



--- I'd be curious in finding more information relating to that expirmenet.

But in short : No, not all LSD is the same.

Edited by kaniz (01/25/06 05:58 AM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: kaniz]
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What everyone was bickering about is the prevelance of LSD like substances on the streets.

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

Whats your thoughts Kaniz? Do you u think these chems are floating around on the streets somewhere?


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Edited by sui (01/25/06 06:10 AM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: sui]
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I really have no idea, however - I wouldnt say its impossible. But, I'm also inclined to think that its not very likely that the people producing LSD are aiming at making the analogs of it. As from what I've read, the analogs tend to be far weaker than the LSD in itself.

If the analogs are easier to make, or if they can be a byproduct of impurities in the reaction - possibly (?? anyone have any idea?)


I'm no where even high up enough in the chain of things to have a clue to what is being layed, by who, how, and from what source. Just a little end-user and I'd rather keep it that way.

But, I do think that there is LSD going around of various levels of purity - no matter what, you are not going to get a 100% pure synth of LSD, there will always be impurities in it. I think the varying levels of purities does affect the trip all around.

I've had LSD from 3 or 4 different blotters, and as far as I know - it's all been real/legit LSD and not an RC, however each of the blotter has varied a bit in the effects and the 'cleaness' of the trip.

The over all experience is pretty similar. Similar come up, similar peak, similar duration. However, some of it has just been a nice crystal-clear clean high, where others have had a bit of a 'dirty sinister push' to it.

I'd be inclined to say its the purity of the LSD that creates those differences from batch to batch.

That being said - I dont know enough about chem, or LSD chem to know if the analogs listed in TIHKAL could be accidently created during the proccess as impurities, or if they are easier or harder to make than normal LSD.

Edited by kaniz (01/25/06 06:40 AM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: kaniz]
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thats pretty much what i figured too, that it was a matter of set/setting, mental state at the time of the trip, varying ug doses on the blotter. I didnt even think about that post of chinacat's that you posted about the different grades of crystal, but i bet that has a big effect too.

I doubt very much that any of those analogs are on the streets.

I figure if you have the knowlege, resources, and access to the precurser chems, why wouldnt you just make the L. :shrug:


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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: sui]
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You all are right, all acid is pure acid.
lets leave it at that.....

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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Stemmer, there is a difference between impurities and analogs - as far as I know that is, I'm no chem-major.

Technically speaking, there is no 'pure' LSD in the 100% LSD form - but, there is /very/ pure LSD ie: 95% needle point, to somewhat pure LSD, ie: lavendar that is 70%. Mind you, what is that other 30%? I really have no idea.

Although, I am curious - could that other 30% possibly be other analogs/etc that are byproducts of the reaction? Is that other 30% active in other ways? Either in terms of the psychedelic/mental affects? Or, in terms of body-affects, like speedyness, 'dirtyness', tension, etc.

But, as far as I've read, everything I've seen has alluded to the fact that the analogs of LSD (with possibly the exception of ALD-52, which is NOT on the streets), are not as potent as LSD.

So no, its not all 'pure acid' on the streets, I'd say its LSD of varying levels of purities, with the % and type of impurities present affecting the overall expierence.

But, 95% pure LSD, and 60% pure LSD, is still LSD.

I've poked around and read alot, and thats what I've managed to gather - if you have a link/source or a reference to point me towards, I'd be happy to read it. But, from what I've read, it's either

- LSD, of varying levels of purity
- Or, a research chem being sold as LSD


Edited by kaniz (01/25/06 08:36 AM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: kaniz]
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I agree with your summation, kaniz.

I just didn't understand the analogues of LSD bit. I actually didn't know there were that many analogues of LSD though, stemmer, which is pretty interesting. I just highly doubt they are easier to make and just as effective *IMO*

The only other chems on LSD, from my knowledge of chemistry, come from "side reactions." These are undesirable reactions that occur during the sythesis process and that typically cannot be avoided completely. The more skilled the chemist, the less side reactions are going to happen. The chances of a side reaction being psychadelic? I would guess nearly non-existent. It's usually "normal" chems such as water or hydrogen bromide or things like that.

I am actually really interested in knowing what the differences are. I've been out of the chem thing for a while (took time off school) but I'm gonna check out the synthesis and see if any off-shoots could be psychadelic.

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: fazdazzle]
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OK sorry for taking so long to get back to this. I guess if you all are trying to figure out if I actually took lsd-25 can sum up the body load and what not.

first off, the blotter tasted like paper and nothing else, ruling out RC's for the most part. BR-DFLY could still be possible but due to the length of trip/amout of blotter consumed I'd say it wasn't that either.

The trip had a tryptamine feel to it

body load consisted mainly of two weird but stereotypical feelings:
bugs crawling on me and snakes crawling on me.

lasted 12 hours.

A friend who tryed the this batch before me and hooked me up said 2 hits was a strong trip...then again, his idea of a strong trip and my idea could be different as he is more the type to try these things merely to get fucked up rather than to explore one's mind.

anyway, if I can get more of this stuff, from what I've read I should take more...I'm probably going to try it again with 4 or 5 hits as the 2 hits I took were really easy to handle.


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