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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
    #5219676 -

stemmer said:
Whats the deal yall, I hope I do find the soarce.  I didnt ask you to trust me without finding the info your selves. 
Lsa is the active component in HBWR and morning glories, but yes sir, there are many many other active related alks in those seeds(for example).
  You can find this info in many places as well as info about wy impure batches, and lsd-like chemicals are easier to synthesize.



im going to do a search. I just find it funny that you say youve read this b4 but have no references. :thumbdown:


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"There is never a wrong note, bend it." Jimi Hendrix


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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: Animals]
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There are many substances that will make you trip, but only one LSD. It is the most powerful, most insightful, most euphoric one of them all (strangely enough it has no 'uncomfortable' come up {for me that is}). Ive taken many of them and none compare to LSD (maybe Im just biased). IMO, Psilocin does not even come close to the power, soul searching or euphoria of LSD. LSD is the king of them all. Much 'better' then any phenethylamine or tryptamine known.

LSD made a 30+ year run with the GD for a reason. While many other psychedelics were available at the time, LSD was the one of choice. Its true many of the psychedelics available today were not available at the time (mid 60's->mid 90's), most of those available today offer no spiritual side AT ALL. They are drugs, LSD is more.

Then again, Im probably biased.

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: Gratos]
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Im not saying that you didnt get a couple extremly low micro gram hits.

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: Gratos]
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Is there really an extraction that gives you PURE LSA? I dont see how, lsa is such a small chemical and to get that especially in a liquid form doesnt seem possible. Unless you chemically make it but if you could why not just make lsd?

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: p4kSouL]
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A number of analogues of LSD have maintained the diethylamide group unchanged, but additions or changes have been made in the pyrrole ring.

--indole-ring substituent--
at N-1 at C-2 Code
-H
-COCH3
-CH3
-CH2OH
-CH2N(CH3)2
-H
-H
-CH3
-CH3 -H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-B
-I
-Br
-I LSD-25
ALD-52
MLD-41


BOL-148

MBL-61
MIL

The second major location of variations in the structure of LSD has been in the nature of the alkyl groups on the amide nitrogen atom. Some of these are Sandoz syntheses, some are from other research groups, and a few of them are found in nature. Some of these have been studied in man, and some have not. A few of the original clutch of Sandoz compounds have both 1-substituents and amide alkyl (R) group variations:
indole --- amide nitrogen substituents ---
R= R= R= code name
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-H
-CH3
-CH3
-COCH3
-CH3
-H
-CH3
-CH2CH3
-(CH2)2CH3
-CH(CH3)CH2OH
-CH(CH3)CH2OH
-(CH2)CH3
-CH(CH3)CH2CH2OH
-(CH2)4CH3
-CH(CH3)CH2CH2CH3
-CH(CH2CH3)2
-(CH2)5CH3
-CH(CH3)CH2CH2CH2CH3
-(CH2)6CH3
-CH(CH3)CH2CH2CH2CH2CH3
-CH3
-CH2CH3
-(CH2)2CH3
-CH(CH3)2
-CH(CH3)CH2C6H5
-CH2CH3
-(CH2)2CH3
-(CH2)2CH3
-CH(CH3)2
-CH2CH=CH2
-(CH2)2CH3

-CH2CH2CH2CH2-
-CH2CH=CHCH2-
-CH2CH2CH2CH2CH2-
-CH2CH2OCH2CH2-
-CH2CH3
-CH(CH2CH3)CH2OH
-COCH3

-CH2CH2CH2CH2- -H
-H
-H
-H
-H*
-H
-H*
-H*
-H
-H*
-H
-H
-H*
-H
-H*
-CH3
-CH3
-CH3
-CH3
-CH3*
-CH2CH3
-CH2CH3
-(CH2)2CH3
-CH(CH3)2
-CH2CH=CH2
-(CH2)3CH3




-H
-H*
-CH2CH3

LA-111

LAE-32

Ergonovine


Methergine







DAM-57

LAMP


LSD-25



DAL

LPD-824


LSM-775
MLA-74
UML-491
APA-10
MPD75

This is one of the many sites that illudes to the fact that lsd can be called lsd but is impure, or many contituents are standing beside lsd-25 in your blotter(impurities).
I wish I had the really good info, but----------------------------------> here is the site http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: p4kSouL]
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I agree with suimush, you should stop bitching. Whilst your researching, look up how to read aswell because I never called you a dick in any form. You were the one that said "Oh, and don't tease me because of how I speak; I don't tease you for being a dick.". Which is insulting me, but I'm not so low as to stoop to such a low level.

I said, "dick or no dick, i wouldn't tease you.". Which in English means, I may be a dick, or may not, but I wouldn't tease you. You have a lot of learning to do. With LSD/LSA/Ergot & learning how to talk to people in a civilised manner.

Either contribute some experience, or go and cry to your mommy, I'm really not interested. As I'm sure many others aren't.


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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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Sorry for the missing other half of the info, its all in the link anyways.
The info ill find for you next is the info about how most living acid guru types know why acid IS what they call impure, and why. That might take some time, time I dont have.
Also Ill eventually try to find info about how most of these similare and active alks are easier to synth, and are experientially similare.

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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Edited by stemmer (01/24/06 09:39 PM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: Xenophobic]
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ok, but that says nothing of prevelance on the streets which i would say is non-existant.

Synthing LSD is so expensive, so difficult to produce, obtaining precurser chems is so closley watched, and the fact that you have to know the right people to pull it off, that generally anyone attempting to do it wont fuck it up cause they have so much invested into it.

This aint meth were talkin about here.


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"There is never a wrong note, bend it." Jimi Hendrix


Edited by sui (01/24/06 09:41 PM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: sui]
    #5219754 -

Sorry for the interesting post.
Next time Ill rely on the simple experiential lsd texts of old acid gurus as they pertain to the quality of lsd today.
Weve got some hard asses in here saying, "all the acid ive tried was pure or some totally unrelated drug".
Well , I dont have any more quotes time etc to spend on this.
If you really think all acid tabs are the same,(not counting unrelated chemicals). Some research would do you some good.
Just experientially noticing that some acid is acid but not pure would say alot more about your observational skills.

Edited by stemmer (01/24/06 09:50 PM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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stemmer said:
Sorry for the interesting post.
Next time Ill rely on the simple experiential lsd texts of old acid gurus as they pertain to the quality of lsd today.
Weve got some hard asses in here saying, "all the acid ive tried was pure or some totally unrelated drug".
Well , I dont have any more quotes time etc to spend on this.


you dont have to get defensive. It was interesting. it had some info i hadnt read b4.

but still i highly doubt that any of those chemicals is on the streets anywhere.


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"There is never a wrong note, bend it." Jimi Hendrix


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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: sui]
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so if I wanted to make lsd how would I get all the chemicals that are required?

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: p4kSouL]
    #5219802 -

Do u have experience in organic chem?

i highly doubt that many people have any access at all.

I wouldnt even have a freakin clue where to start looking :shrug:


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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: p4kSouL]
    #5219818 -

Youd need some schooling buddy, and more equipment than youd want to messy your life with.
No offence suimush but thats like saying chemists are all reading from the lsd textbook, which does not exist. There are faster more cost effective ways to make lsd-like molecules. They dont all get this shit off the net.
This is a family drug, a chemist's drug. A blood thinning drug in its beginning(breakthrough). You dont think there are people who make one of the many possible active chemicals to save time, money/equipment. There are many precursors to LSD-25 that are deadly, some are active hallucinogens. The stages at which they eb and flow between active and nonactive depends on the method. The finished product depends on when your synth has met its end, or when you choose to end it with a related active chemical that you can sell.

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
    #5219843 -

I really am not bitching. Just encouraging people to read up some more if they think all acid is either acid, or something totally different. Thats just not true. I hope to find many links to prove this because I wouldnt have the time to explain it even if I had the texts right infront of me.

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
    #5219853 -

I really want to know how people actually get the lsd, if its like impossible to make it at home wouldnt people have to steal it from a lab or something? Do they even make lsd in labs?

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
    #5219898 -

Bollocks. I told you to research at "the least". Yet you still yabbit on with your uninformative babble. I could make a thousand doses and so could half the people on this board in two days. You obviously never payed attention in chemistry classes, old habits die hard I see.

Go to google, type your question, a billion answers will arise and you'll have no-one to argue back to with insane comments. If all you want to do is argue with everybody, why use a forum? Walk into a bar. Actually don't, because you'll most likely get the biggest punch in your mouth you've ever had. Better be safe than sorry.


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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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stemmer said:
I hope to find many links to prove this because I wouldnt have the time to explain it even if I had the texts right infront of me.


I'm not here to prove you right.

And with the dick comment I was talking to stemmer and nobody else.

stemmer said:
So no, acid aint just acid, "man".



You were being condescending and I wanted you to know you were.

Sorry for upsetting you Xenophobic, but that wasn't directed at you.

Whoa, hold the phone now Xenophobic...

Xenophobic said:
I could make a thousand doses and so could half the people on this board in two days.



Just to make sure you're talking about doses of acid, right?

LSD is NOT easy to manufacture.

Xenophobic said:
You obviously never payed attention in chemistry classes, old habits die hard I see.



I am studying biochemistry right now with hopes to move on to neurochemistry in graduate school.

Edited by fazdazzle (01/24/06 10:29 PM)

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: Xenophobic]
    #5219927 -

Are you being disrespectful to me or p4kSouL?
Are you for real either way?

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: fazdazzle]
    #5219932 -

Whooaaaaa their fazdazzle, hold your horses.

I was talking to stemmer, and every post I have made has been directed towards stemmer. It isn't you talking rubbish about LSD. Sorry if it sounded as if I were talking to you, but I wasnt.

In the top of my post and every post it says:

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Re: is this a weak LSD experience? [Re: stemmer]
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PS. LSD is NOT easy to manufacture? It is. I speak from experience.


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