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intellegence and tripping
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Do you think that people of higher or lower intellegence are more likely to have a bad trip? I personally think that smarter people are less likely to have bad trips. I consider myself to be a relatively smart person, and do not see how it is possible to have a bad trip. No matter what happens while I am under the influence, whether I am seeing amazingly beautiful patterns or surrounded by disturbing images, I just laugh it off because I know what is happening and why. So do any of you think that the possibility of having bad trips is at all influenced by your level of intellegence?


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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: mycocitizen]
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no, not really


intelligence is kind of a vague word
perhaps be more specific
what sort of intelligence?

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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: mycocitizen]
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i dont know about bad trips relating to low intelligence, but i have found 1 thing about intelligence and tripping. it seems that people of higher intelligence seem to find more "depth" in their trips. dumbasses are generally just saying shit like "wow man the trees look like space ships" etc. i hate tripping with i guess what you could call stupid people. its VERY annoying. they never find anything more in the trip than simple visuals, which they tend to exaggerate to the extreme.

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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: mycocitizen]
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hmmmmmm...
well, intelligent folks are a bit more likely to be tripping for reasons other than to see how fucked up they can get... that's a plus...
but they are also more likey to get into a headspace where they just have to "solve it" -- when sometimes the only solution is to let go...


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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: mycocitizen]
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I think bad trips have more to do with personality than intelligence.

DXMHEAD420: I totally agree with you on tripping with smart people as opposed to "stupid" people. In my experience, people of lesser intelligence just tend to say things like "I'm so fucked!", "everything is moving!", and "look at the pretty colors!". The people I usually trip with (who are all fairly intelligent) prefer talking about strange abstracts while tripping. It's just more fun.


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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: mycocitizen]
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All of the replys to this thread have summed up what I would have said.

Good work fellas


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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: Learyfan]
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What did you say Leary?


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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: mycocitizen]
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"I cant imagine having a bad trip"

Ii used to feel the same way!! I would have such a great time triping I couldnt imagine a bad trip. But I had one. its so funny to hear someonesay the same thing i used to say. though i have only had 2 bad trips out of the 100 or so times ive tripped. My worst was due to cotten mouth, thats right cotten mouth. it got so bad, each breath i tok made it worseand it got to the point where my throat felt like grinding rocks as i swallowed. I was in a state park, lost in a trail and nothing to drink......


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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: trendal]
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also, intellegence has nothing to do with a bad trip. thats a matter of opinion. I consider myself an experienced tripper, and i am in no way "stupid" If you havent had a bad trip, good for you. But to say that intellegence has to do with a bad trip is far from intellegent.. I could go on and on, but this will upset me. too many close minded people.


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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: pleezr]
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It definitely has a little something to do with bad trips, in that that the more intelligent you are the less likely you are to trip in bad surroundings. I doubt that intelligence has much if anything to do with the way the drug actually affects you, though.

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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: pleezr]
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i know what you mean pleezr, i used to say the same exact thing too, and i had a bad trip and it almost scares you away from mushrooms, but you know you have had more fun on them then not fun, so you do em again :)

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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: dk138]
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I says all these here replys said what I would have said. I felt the need to say that for some reason there.


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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: mycocitizen]
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See, I don't think there's necessarily a firm link between intelligence and safety from bad trips. That said, I do think that smart people are less susceptible to full-on terror-oriented delusional tripping experiences. An intelligent individual is going to realize that he is on a drug, the drug will wear off, and that he will soon be returned to a normal state. However, in my experience a person need not be delusionally terrified (I'm going to die, there are demons everywhere, etc) to have a bad trip... One can instead just suffer a general feeling of malaise, occasionally even an overpowering one. Frankly, I find that even worse than a delusional fear, which would be far easier to correct. Generalized bad vibe tripping is hard to help.

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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: pleezr]
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>>My worst was due to cotten mouth, thats right cotten mouth.

I know exact;y how you feel. Last time I shroomed (New Years Eve) I smoked a couple blunts before I ate them, and I had the worst feeling in my mouth and throat. I couldn't get the dry scratchy feeling away, so I drank cup after cup of Ice water, and it wouldn't do anything for it. I started to feel REAL cold, and I was covered up with LOTS of blankets, but couldn't get warm. It fuckin freaked me out and I couldn't get lost in my mind because every breath had the scratchy feel.

Thats what blew my chance to grow, because my mom was gonna let me but she saw me freaking out and didn't know what to think, so she said I couldn't trip or grow shrooms. :-(
She did say something along the lines of "I don't care about pot, but not shrooms" so I see that as a permission...

About intelligence and tripping, it doesn't have anything to do with bad trips. I am fairly intelligent, but I have had bad trips the last several times on shrooms. Never on acid. It is all the situation around you and whats going on in your life.

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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: pleezr]
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I didn't say intelligence has anything to do with a bad trip. In fact, I said I didn't think it had anything to do with a bad trip.


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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: trendal]
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I've always figured that the smarter you are...the MORE likely you'll have a bad trip. Considering that you supposedly know more about things, like history, english, math, politics, etc...there are more things for the shroom to break down and say "haha...folly on you!"


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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: chargrt]
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I really don't think intelligence (or lack of it) has anything to do with bad trips. You know how everyone rants about "set and setting" all the time? Well there's a reason for it. Set and setting are EVERYTHING, in my opinion. I have never had a bad trip. I also have never used hallucinogens without being in a comfortable setting with a proper set of mind/emotions.

Personality (outlook, perhaps), set, and setting. Those, in my opinion, are what make a trip good or bad.


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Re: intellegence and tripping *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: chargrt]
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Post deleted by raytrace

Edited by raytrace (09/07/02 07:26 PM)

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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: raytrace]
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i'll agree with dmxhead about what i have come to call DMXHEAD's Stupid People Theory.

i will likewise agree that set and setting are everything. i have never had an unpleasant trip and don't think i ever will.

but i strongly disagree that more educated thinkers can bad trip easier. i believe anyone can have unpleasant thoughts/emotions while tripping (i am lucky that i have not) but imo there is no reason why someone of a higher intelligence would be more apt to freaking out. however, i can see a good point in the argument that people of lower intelligence would be more likely to completely flip out on a trip. oh yea and one thing i completely forgot about is dosage... that would be an important factor in the likeliness of a bad trip.


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Re: intellegence and tripping [Re: geokills]
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its dXm head, not dMx head.
dmx is a rapper. dxm is dextromethorphan hydrobromide.

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