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OfflineJammer
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New & Simple Straw Tek Idea
    #516393 - 01/10/02 02:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)



Ok, this is just an idea at this point. It's not been tried yet to the best of my knowlege.

Here is the plan: Take a large clear Tupperware type container and cover the bottom with about 2" of soaked pasterized weat straw. Then birth several PF style cakes and place them right side up on the straw (vermiculite side on top). It would seem to me that the mycelium would have to grow into the straw. Keep the top covered with a transparent lid or plastic wrap.

If the straw was to lose the battle of contanamation the cakes are still going to fruit.

If needed- humidity control might be controled by placeing a jar of water with an aqarium pump airstone sumerged in it (maybe a heater too).

Any coments?


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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Jammer]
    #516461 - 01/10/02 04:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

instead why dont you colonize the straw with crumbled or powedered cakes or rye grain spawn or birdseed, so that you dont give the contams the chance to win and that you have hundereds or thousands of innoculation points. oh wait, someone came up with what i just said like years ago.....
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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: ar393]
    #516698 - 01/10/02 09:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

indeed.

I think that the "PF BLENDED SPAWN ON STRAW TEK" is awesome!

However, sometimes one can lose a cake or more due to oversights.

This tek might decrease the amount of losed cakes for various reasons.

All coments are wellcomed.


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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Jammer]
    #516714 - 01/10/02 09:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

if the straw became contaminated, then the cakes probably would too being part of the same mycelial network and all.


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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Hammerloaf]
    #516756 - 01/10/02 10:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The way tha I see it, the pasterlized straw is more resistant to contaiments than the BF cakes... With this tek... I would expect that a cake could easily be pulled off of some rotten straw and still stand a good chance of fruiting.


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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Jammer]
    #517184 - 01/11/02 09:32 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

but i dont get why you want to take the chance of letting the straw contam, when you know that powedering cakes or other spawn for spawing the entire straw is going to work and give you great flushes?
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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: ar393]
    #517282 - 01/11/02 12:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I really dont expect the straw to get containamated if it's done right. It's very important to use enough spawn, so the way that I see it... If the entire surface of the soaked/pasterized straw is covered with PF cakes that the myceium should take the straw over in about a week or so. If it's done right the straw should not have enough time to fall victim to other contanaments.

The over all goal here is to increase yield with little aditional work required.


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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Jammer]
    #517421 - 01/11/02 02:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I guess i just dont see crumbling or powedering the cakes that much more work, but let us know what happens....
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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: ar393]
    #517462 - 01/11/02 03:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Good point. (poor choice of words on my part)

What were trying to advoid here is wasting an otherwise perfectly good cake. The PF Blended spawn on straw tek dosent always work. The biggest problem is not useing enough spawn. For example: There is another post/thread here somewhere where someone used crumbled up PF jar chunks and it never did take off. They had to throw it out- A goal here is to allow straw to get inoculated while minimizing the threat of wasting otherwise good PF style jars.

I would appreciate other's comments as well.

Thanks


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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Jammer]
    #517596 - 01/11/02 06:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yea that was bassplayers problem I think. His new tubs look alot better though.

I've got a bunch of straw teks going right now, some just plain straw and some with 1/2 parts manure added and never had a problem with contams or stalling as I probably use alot more spawn than is actually needed. Most of my plain straw tubs were completely colonized in only 6 or 7 days and only 4 or 5 for the ones with manure. Shit is the shit I teel ya.

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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Hollywood]
    #518584 - 01/12/02 05:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Two questions for ya:

#1: Do you know if adding manure really makes a diference?
#2: On the plain straw cake- How much PF spawn did you use?

This thread has had a poor ratio of replies/hits. Other opinions are very much wellcomed.

Thanks!


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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Jammer]
    #518615 - 01/12/02 06:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

In my personal experience...... it makes a big difference.
Faster colonization. bigger pinset, larger fruits and more flushes.

In regard to how many PF cakes I use I over do it just to be safe because my first projects were slow and doughtfull looking when using the recommended amounts. All of my tubs are 92 quart/ 87 liter Rubbermade Latchtops measuring 35x17x13 and I use about 6 or 7 pulverized 1/2 pint cakes.
I know that most people probably wouldn't want to use this many cakes. Hell some might even call it a waste but I"m a stone mason and file unemployment every winter instead of sticking it out in this nasty Michigan wheather so I've got lots of free time on my hands and usually make more cakes than I really need.

In a day or two I'll post pics, I just got a digital camera but havent got the slightest clue how to use it or to load pictures for that matter. My brother should be coming over before the weekends up so he'll help me post em.

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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Jammer]
    #518618 - 01/12/02 06:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

it would colonize MUCH faster if you just stick teh cakes into ziplock baggies and crumble them up and dump that on the straw. if you use a large enough spawn/straw ratio you should have no problem colonizing it all in 4 days. placing whole cakes in a straw casing would take weeks at best to colonize; and the cakes themselves would probably pin and fruit while the straw is colonizing; or at least want to pin but if you keep temp around 85 it shouldnt.
i see no plus to keeping the cakes whole. ive read your reasonings and they just dont seem logical. if you get contams i wouldnt take the cakes back out and try to fruit them anyway.
>> However, sometimes one can lose a cake or more due to oversights.
what does that mean? if you have a fully colonized cake; you havent lost it. either youre going to crumble it and spawn the straw or in your case just plop it right in there. youd lose much more by not crumbling it; namely time but probably lose the whole project altogether due to lengthy colonization time.
try it if you want; but i wouldnt waste my time/resources.


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maybe theres a tek out there to explain how to use it!
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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #518646 - 01/12/02 06:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I failed to mention it in my last post but just as BeepoMarx stated
if using enough spawn you should be able to get your tubs bricked out in 4 or 5 days. Also as he stated it would take a hell of a long time to colonize a whole tub with leaving cakes whole on the surface. Using crumbled cakes you are getting thousands of growth points. With cakes on the top of the straw your getting only one growth point for ever piece of straw that touches the cake and thats equals out to alot of time. Not to mention an open invitation to contams who would love to make a home for themselves in that uncolonized straw.


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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Hollywood]
    #518766 - 01/12/02 09:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks guys, I asked for some more input and I got it.

(*sigh*) I respect your opinions people....

I guess that it's back to the drawing board. (as far as a new straw tek goes)

I still would like to see it atempted, just for "shits-n-giggles".

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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Jammer]
    #518772 - 01/12/02 09:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

What stops you from doing it? ;-))

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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: zilch]
    #519979 - 01/14/02 02:22 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Good question. I feel that a couple of people here made some decent points, and I respect there knowledge of the subject.

However, in the interest of research, my friend is going to give it a go... on a very limited scale. Bascily the plan is to take 3 fully colinized jars of PESA HAWAIIN (not the best strain anyway) and sit them on 1" of soaked/pasterized weat straw. There will only be enough straw to cover the area under the cakes.

We will keep you advised as to what happens.


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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: Jammer]
    #520282 - 01/14/02 11:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

From what I gathered, you are trying to cover the whole surface area (or as much as possible) of the straw with whole PF cakes. If i'm wrong about that, please disregard this.

If you were going to cover that whole surface area, I fail to see your concern for lack of adequate spawn for a crumbling/powdering method of straw innoculation in a time/contam fight.


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Re: New/Simple Straw Tek Idea [Re: un0r]
    #521134 - 01/15/02 01:52 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Well the amount of straw that would sit under three 1/2 pint jars isnt very much (1" thick). It's mearly enough to test the thorey. If it works, one could move on to a greater ratio of straw to PF cakes to see what the right ratio is.


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