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 bassplayer74
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 Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics*  [Re: bassplayer74]  1
#498279 - 12/21/01 10:37 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok everybody. Hope you all are having a happy holiday season so far. I'm using classic pf strain. I used 2 half pint cakes per tub. I just got back from wal-mart. I bought a blender and another tub for my friend. He is going to try and air out his tubs a bit and start a new tub at the same time. This time he will let his straw drain overnight and blend his cakes into a powder. He is wanting a "fast" colonization so he will do 4 cakes in this next tub. He is wondering if it would help to add a small amount of vermiculite to the blender to help powderize the cakes. He noticed last time, when he crumbled the cakes, they were wet and pasty. Also, how long do you guys recommend he let the straw drain before innoculation? He has a layer of perlite in the bottom of his current tubs. He ran out of it so on this new tub he will not use anything for a bottom layer. He will just make sure the straw is barely damp. Does all this sound kosher to ya'll? I also just wanted to say a big "THANK YOU" and Merry Christmas to all here at the shroomery. Especially, those who have helped me and "my friend" out with this project. I will definitely keep all posted daily. With pics. Take care.
bassplayer74
BTW...My friend was also going to pasteurize some more straw, mix with powderized pf cake, and place in large black plastic garbage bags with a bunch of holes poked in them. He was gonna set these bags aside and wait for them to colonize, then put in tubs. Is this a waste of time? He just thought they might colonize faster. He was also gonna try not casing one tub just to see how much he would still get. Is this a bad idea? I know I just keep going on and on but....I also read somewhere that classic pf strain is not the best on straw. Is this true? And if so, what IS the best strain for straw? Thanks!!
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Edited by bassplayer74 (12/21/01 10:54 PM)
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Brugman
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: YouInfoIt]
#498354 - 12/21/01 11:53 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure that the casing starter is activated charcoal. Supposedly, sprinkle a bit on and it kicks the casing into pin mode, I guess...
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YouInfoIt
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: Brugman]
#498383 - 12/22/01 12:22 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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cool, do you know where to find it?
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Azure
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: bassplayer74]
#498386 - 12/22/01 12:34 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I honestly think you didn't use enough spawn in your straw...After two days, the straw should be, for the most part, completely white. Although straw doesn't contaminate as fast as other substrates, you still need to be careful. Slow growth under non-sterile conditions means trouble because this gives contaminants a head start. It still may work, but there's a chance it won't. I recommend you use more spawn for the next batches.
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bassplayer74
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: bassplayer74]
#498661 - 12/22/01 02:48 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, It looks like the mycelium has stopped growing. It even has dissappeared in most places. There is still some growth near the bottom where is was more wet though. New batches will be underway shortly. My friend still has another case of fully colonized jars to use. I've read everything on this tek but if anyone has any little "tricks" to make it better, please let me know. Merry Christmas!
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: bassplayer74]
#498683 - 12/22/01 03:07 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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SHIT! i was going to try oldtimers tek tomorrow but recently i hear a lot of failure coming from straw lately. if anyone has the trick to moisture content or how to get this to work please PM me; please. maybe i should try cutting up the straw finer to get more of a 'cake' consistency and not so much open room? i might also try adding damp vermiculite to it and see what happens. o well thanks all in advance and have a merry x-mas! its 5pm and im going home to smoke a blunt. peace
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 Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: BeppoMarx]
#498689 - 12/22/01 03:12 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I'm a big fan of straw teks, however every straw tek that I have seen was extremely slow at colinizing. However, I have never seen this tek done before. Based on the description it could be a fast method. (as other members have previosly stated)
Looking at those pics, I too am wondering if there was enough spawn used.... Or maybe it's slowing down due to the fact that the cakes were crumbled, not grounded up as the Old Timers Straw Tek calls for.
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Edited by Jammer (12/22/01 03:13 PM)
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bassplayer74
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: Jammer]
#498722 - 12/22/01 04:05 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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My friend just got done innoculating a new batch of straw. He coated the straw with four cakes worth of pf powder. If this doesn't work he's gonna get ticked. During the last attempt he kept the lid on the tubs completely closed, which kept humidity around 100%. He's not sure if he should crack the lid a bit to drop humidity. He's afraid it may dry out. Any suggestions? He's also wondering if the tiny amount of light entering the tub will slow colonization. Should he cover the tubs with something dark? C-ya
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 dimitri211
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: bassplayer74]
#498782 - 12/22/01 05:44 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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He's not sure if he should crack the lid a bit to drop humidity. Yes if it is failing now what could it hurt?? Have you tried fanning?? You are being to impatient with this you post daily concerned about this tek You are rushing it fan sit back RELAX
He's also wondering if the tiny amount of light entering the tub will slow colonization. The darker the better (at least when it comes to mushrooms and colonization)
Should he cover the tubs with something dark? YES C-ya
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 Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: dimitri211]
#498959 - 12/22/01 10:00 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I read earlier in this thread that you should expect the room to start having the stank of rotting straw. I would like to start a straw tek myself, but dont want an unbearable stank in my house. How bad do tubs of colonising straw smell?
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Hippie3
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: homebrew]
#499210 - 12/23/01 09:08 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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there should be no smell except perhaps a faint musty wet-straw odor.
if properly done, the straw should be fully colonized in about 5 days, so i just cover the trays with foil, which lets a little air exchange occur, but keeps humidity high.
for lots more info on ot's straw tek,
see http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/2673.html?1005195934
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Edited by Hippie3 (12/23/01 09:10 AM)
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bassplayer74
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: dimitri211]
#499423 - 12/23/01 03:59 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks dimitri211. You're right. I'll just chill for awhile. My friends new tub seems to be ok. The other tubs seem to have stopped growing though. Probably due to the fact that the cakes were not completely powderized and I think we let them get too dry for too long. The straw on top is dry and has no growth at all. I'll post a pic of the new tub in a few days.
Take care....bassplayer74
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dimitri211
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: bassplayer74]
#499461 - 12/23/01 05:00 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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You'll get it right without a doubt, if the top layer is dry then close the lid for the night and chaeck it in the morning if it is still very dry mist a little on the top later only with peroxide and water combination
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: dimitri211]
#499604 - 12/23/01 07:49 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Friends wombat had to recase straw because itused Hawks 50/50 + but that's too much damn lime and the myc were afraid of it. it was pretty wet onthe bottom and fearing aneroibc bacteria, picked up the whole mass of straw and flipped it over and recased. Growth is quick and spreading. Bout ready to initiate pinning.
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 Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: Hippie3]
#502612 - 12/27/01 05:34 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Has anyone tried grinding rye berries to powder like the OT tek wants? A friend likes working with rye much more than brf/verm. If none have tried she'll go out and get a coffee grinder and try it.
Thanks
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Hippie3
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: biobush]
#503424 - 12/28/01 04:19 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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the problem with grinding rye is the uncolonized interior of the berries will quickly contam if exposed to unsterile air.
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Jammer
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 Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: bassplayer74]
#508897 - 01/03/02 12:24 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Any updates?
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bassplayer74
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: Jammer]
#508955 - 01/03/02 01:32 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes...We must have made a mistake because the mycelium never really grew like it should. It was real fluffy. And then when we gave it some fresh air it all dried up and stopped growing. We decided to just birth the rest of our cakes via pf tek and try old timers tek again later on. The tub we innoculated with 4 powderized pf cakes was the worst. It never even tried to start colonizing. Bummer huh? These cakes were powderized in a blender very finely and mixed with damp straw that had been pasteurized at 160F for an hour. I have no idea why there was no growth. The cakes that we used were perfect. We followed directions perfectly too. Oh well.
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Jammer
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Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: bassplayer74]
#508976 - 01/03/02 01:45 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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That reminds me. My friend just bought a horse for his liveing room. Can anyone name some popular feed stores that sell straw? (the horse did a search and came up with nothing in the area)
PeAcE
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 Re: Old timers straw tek progress *pics* [Re: Jammer]
#508988 - 01/03/02 01:57 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should feed him mushrooms, and name him Mr. Ed! Maybe he'll start talking to you...
After many attempts at locating Straw, dude had to take a trip way out into the burbs to finally locate it at a nursery. Pull out the yellow pages and look under nurseries(be sure to call them ALL---only 1 out of the 6 dude called had it)...
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